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The Wing is a workspace that excludes men and is thus explicitly sexist and in direct violation of New York law. The city's human rights commission has been investigating it, but the city's leftist mayor has backed this sexist, discriminatory organization.
De Blasio backs women-only social club despite Human Rights Commission probe

By the way, it is wrong to call something a "social club" if its main purpose is work. And given the support by the mayor's office, it seems that the "investigation" is pretty much over.

If there was a male-only "coworking" space, how many milliseconds would it take for the city to shut it down?

I suspect the radical feminists on here will bend over backwards to argue how wonderful an idea it is to discriminate against male workers.

Or maybe they'll just give up and move the entire thread ~Eslewhere like they love to do with threads critical of radical feminism and anti-male sexism.
 
Wow, if two lesbians were having sex I bet you would complain to the government they were discriminating against you.
 
OMFG Noes! It's the apocalypse! THE END OF THE WORLD! Women who want to work free from sexual harassment and similar distractions at work! It is the end of Western civilization! Whimper! Whimper!
 
It is an interesting dilemma. On the one hand, as Charlie points out, having a workspace free of sexual harassment is an important goal... especially in a society where some men think that sexual harassment should be tolerated as if it is on par with annoying pop-up ads and locker room jokes.

But technically this would seem to be a violation of the same type of equal access women (and other minorities) have had to fight for. "Social clubs" have long been a means to bar women, Jews, Blacks and every other group other than rich, white males from corporate boardrooms. Calling it a "social club" does not disguise the fact that business is conducted there, and access to that inner circle of business could potentially give preference to its members.

The real solution is, of course, to stop the sexual harassment. Unfortunately, as we have seen on other threads on this very board, some men don't want to do that.

So what is the solution?

Give women a space in which to flourish without being forced to deal with knuckle-draggers but at the risk of shutting decent men out of potential career-related opportunities?

Or pass laws to remove knuckle-draggers and/or their sexual harassment behaviors from the co-ed workplace.
 
Lion IRC said:
Are trans women allowed in?
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Those pesky trans people. It's all just too complicated to figure out, I tell ya. Sometimes ya just wish God would strike 'em all down.
 
These stories are a fun way to expose hypocrisy. They test the sincerity of those who proclaim that "x-only" clubs are bad. If they're bad, then they're bad. Once you start special pleading, just shut up.
 
Trausti said:
These stories are a fun way to expose hypocrisy. They test the sincerity of those who proclaim that "x-only" clubs are bad. If they're bad, then they're bad. Once you start special pleading, just shut up.
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Mostly I agree with this.

But then, I think about the thread about how women and girls are relentlessly harassed from a very young age ---and how quickly it drew the usual actors who started talking about how the definition of harassment was too broad and were women lying and not all men did it and dozens of posts about how it wasn't really a problem, men couldn't do anything about it and what was the big deal anyway and whataboutmen's feelings, eventually devolving into some out and out sexual harassment by some participants until the thread was actually closed. I mean, we often derail threads and I'm guilty of derailing, too. But in a thread about how much harassment girls and women face on a daily basis from a very young age: we had men who felt compelled to prove the point of the thread.

And that makes me question my stance about 'x-only' clubs.

For the most part, I've never felt the need but it is goddamn exhausting to be in a group and realize that some man thinks he's in charge by virtue of his genitalia, or to have to deal with men hitting on you or demeaning you or talking over you and mansplaining your own area of expertise. Sure, women can and do stand up to that shit all the time.

But it sure would be nice to have some place where we didn't have to.

And it sure don't look like men are planning to acknowledge that there is a problem with how some men treat women and that everybody--men included--needs to call that shit out and shut it down. Not anytime soon.

And I indeed wonder about hypocrisy. But probably not the same hypocrisy that Trausti was talking about.
 
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RavenSky said:
It is an interesting dilemma. On the one hand, as Charlie points out, having a workspace free of sexual harassment is an important goal... especially in a society where some men think that sexual harassment should be tolerated as if it is on par with annoying pop-up ads and locker room jokes.

But technically this would seem to be a violation of the same type of equal access women (and other minorities) have had to fight for. "Social clubs" have long been a means to bar women, Jews, Blacks and every other group other than rich, white males from corporate boardrooms. Calling it a "social club" does not disguise the fact that business is conducted there, and access to that inner circle of business could potentially give preference to its members.

The real solution is, of course, to stop the sexual harassment. Unfortunately, as we have seen on other threads on this very board, some men don't want to do that.

So what is the solution?

Give women a space in which to flourish without being forced to deal with knuckle-draggers but at the risk of shutting decent men out of potential career-related opportunities?

Or pass laws to remove knuckle-draggers and/or their sexual harassment behaviors from the co-ed workplace.
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In other words, if women benefit discrimination is tolerable. If men benefit, it isn't.
 
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