Tips for men from Blaire Ostler about how not to be falsely accused

[Jolly_Penguin]

I’m curious. For all you men who are crushingly terrified of women...

Who here said they are crushingly afraid of women?

 

[Angry Floof]

I’m curious. For all you men who are crushingly terrified of women...

Who here said they are crushingly afraid of women?

She's exaggerating to show how stupid it is to pretend to be afraid of women falsely accusing you. But she also could have meant sarcasm in that maybe some are afraid of women and she's digging a little at it being so crushing for them.

Probably both.

Here's the rest of her post:

what do you do, on a daily basis, to protect yourself from it?

Because, if it’s such a huge threat, then surely you think about it every day, and change your life to use tactics to mitigate the significant risk, right?

So what is it. What do you do every day to mitigate the very real risk of false accusation?
Surely it’s a long list, yes?

Or - do you blithely live a life free of actual worry about this except when the shark-attack stories and Derec’s 12 and 20 year-old stories activate your lizard brain?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Here's the rest of her post:

Why read the rest of her post when it is based on straw?

 

[laughing dog]

Here's the rest of her post:

Why read the rest of her post when it is based on straw?

For someone who claims to wade through Stormfront and other cites to engage people, why not get over your irony-impairment and read the rest of post? It would appear that Rhea hit a nerve about fear of women.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

For someone who claims to wade through Stormfront and other cites to engage people, why not get over your irony-impairment and read the rest of post? It would appear that Rhea hit a nerve about fear of women.

I read and engage plenty on this forum. And there is plenty on far right forums that are not complete straw, so I engage them too.

 

[Rhea]

I’m curious. For all you men who are crushingly terrified of women falsely accusing you, what do you do, on a daily basis, to protect yourself from it?

Because, if it’s such a huge threat, then surely you think about it every day, and change your life to use tactics to mitigate the significant risk, right?

So what is it. What do you do every day to mitigate the very real risk of false accusation?
Surely it’s a long list, yes?

Or - do you blithely live a life free of actual worry about this except when the shark-attack stories and Derec’s 12 and 20 year-old stories activate your lizard brain?

I’m curious. For all you men who are crushingly terrified of women...

Who here said they are crushingly afraid of women?

Clever editing. But it turns your question into a lie.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Fair enough. Who on this forum said they are crushingly afraid of women falsely accusing them?

 

[Rhea]

Fair enough. Who on this forum said they are crushingly afraid of women falsely accusing them?

You, Rvonse, Derec, Loren and Mike Pence, to name a few.

And whoever wrote this:

An actual effective list of how to avoid false claims of rape wouldn't go over so well with the feminists:

1. Only travel the streets in groups of men, especially if you go into dark areas with few other witnesses.
2. MGTOW. Don't date women. Instead use prostitutes. Far less likely to allege rape.
3. Don't joke with women. Be always serious. Save your jovial side for men.
4. Don't work with women. Hire only men.
5. If you must work with women, don't be alone with one at any time.
6. Don't close your office door if a woman is alone with you in your office, as you would with a man.
7. Don't mentor a woman or have working diners with a woman.
8. Dress as a woman.
9. Etc...

Some of these are outright oppressive towards women. All of them are bad news for both men and women. But these are actual things men could do to lower the chance of sexual misconduct accusations against them.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Fair enough. Who on this forum said they are crushingly afraid of women falsely accusing them?

You, Rvonse, Derec, Loren and Mike Pence, to name a few.

And whoever wrote this:

An actual effective list of how to avoid false claims of rape wouldn't go over so well with the feminists:

1. Only travel the streets in groups of men, especially if you go into dark areas with few other witnesses.
2. MGTOW. Don't date women. Instead use prostitutes. Far less likely to allege rape.
3. Don't joke with women. Be always serious. Save your jovial side for men.
4. Don't work with women. Hire only men.
5. If you must work with women, don't be alone with one at any time.
6. Don't close your office door if a woman is alone with you in your office, as you would with a man.
7. Don't mentor a woman or have working diners with a woman.
8. Dress as a woman.
9. Etc...

Some of these are outright oppressive towards women. All of them are bad news for both men and women. But these are actual things men could do to lower the chance of sexual misconduct accusations against them.

You fail at reading comprehension then. But get an A+ in projection.

 

[laughing dog]

For someone who claims to wade through Stormfront and other cites to engage people, why not get over your irony-impairment and read the rest of post? It would appear that Rhea hit a nerve about fear of women.

I read and engage plenty on this forum. And there is plenty on far right forums that are not complete straw, so I engage them too.

An evasive answer, that reinforces that you Rhea did it a nerve.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How aboiut just one?

1. Don't assault women....or anyone.

How about:

1) Read the title.

This is about false accusations. Not assaulting women does nothing to prevent false accusations.

Let's consider this for a moment. Are we talking about a false accusation, where a man is mistaken for the person who actually assaulted a woman, or we talking about a woman who is blatantly lying and claiming an innocent man assaulted her?

These would seem to be two very different situations, and one solution could not cover both.

While they are two very different situations the proposed "solution" does nothing to help with either.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's a list that was aimed at women and assault, and then turned around to aim at men and fears of accusations, so there's bound to be some points that didn't translate well. In general, it's a great list.

So...this is a version of a list originally aimed at women wanting to avoid assault, but turned around? In other words, it's not entirely serious?

It didn't seem entirely unironic, as a list for men to avoid false accusations. I'm guessing it's not meant to be.

It's serious rhetoric, but no, no one actually made this list from the ground up with protecting men from accusations in mind as the goal.

One of the points is that men don't actually have to worry too much about false accusations. False accusations make up a fraction of the number of sexual assaults, and only a fraction of that fraction of false accusations are successful.

Yet we put it on women to protect themselves from rape while rapists and their support teams are free of such burdensome lifestyle changes in response to learning that 1 in 3 women are assaulted.

Then, just to make sure every inch of privilege is milked to its maximum potential, they go on to actually pretend women are to be feared, citing a made-up threat.

But men have to bend over backwards to avoid being in positions where a false accusation would make sense. This is especially problematic for those whose normal jobs put them in risky positions. Should a doc have to grab a female employee to be in the room when they're examining a lone female? (And it's going to need to be a medical employee, not merely office staff. Nurse time isn't cheap.) The only time I've ever seen a female doc bring someone unneeded into the room was a dermatologist who was taking a mole off my balls--and she had never seen me before that day.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

An actual effective list of how to avoid false claims of rape wouldn't go over so well with the feminists:

1. Only travel the streets in groups of men, especially if you go into dark areas with few other witnesses.
2. MGTOW. Don't date women. Instead use prostitutes. Far less likely to allege rape.
3. Don't joke with women. Be always serious. Save your jovial side for men.
4. Don't work with women. Hire only men.
5. If you must work with women, don't be alone with one at any time.
6. Don't close your office door if a woman is alone with you in your office, as you would with a man.
7. Don't mentor a woman or have working diners with a woman.
8. Dress as a woman.
9. Etc...

Some of these are outright oppressive towards women. All of them are bad news for both men and women. But these are actual things men could do to lower the chance of sexual misconduct accusations against them.

Or how about the one out of IIRC Tanzania. Rape claim against a person--but they had about the ultimate defense: They were actually female--pretty darn hard to stick your dick in someone when you don't have one. They weren't transgendered, just in a position where women were basically totally excluded and thus they were pretending to be male to get the job.

- - - Updated - - -

All of them make sense to me except 8) Dress as a women. Why would a guy do that and what good would it do to prevent a false claim?

If she doesn't know he's a man she's not likely to make a false accusation of rape against him.

 

[Angry Floof]

It's serious rhetoric, but no, no one actually made this list from the ground up with protecting men from accusations in mind as the goal.

One of the points is that men don't actually have to worry too much about false accusations. False accusations make up a fraction of the number of sexual assaults, and only a fraction of that fraction of false accusations are successful.

Yet we put it on women to protect themselves from rape while rapists and their support teams are free of such burdensome lifestyle changes in response to learning that 1 in 3 women are assaulted.

Then, just to make sure every inch of privilege is milked to its maximum potential, they go on to actually pretend women are to be feared, citing a made-up threat.

But men have to bend over backwards to avoid being in positions where a false accusation would make sense. This is especially problematic for those whose normal jobs put them in risky positions. Should a doc have to grab a female employee to be in the room when they're examining a lone female? (And it's going to need to be a medical employee, not merely office staff. Nurse time isn't cheap.) The only time I've ever seen a female doc bring someone unneeded into the room was a dermatologist who was taking a mole off my balls--and she had never seen me before that day.

Again, I'd like to point out that it's not usually men who implement these policies. It's women and others who work for things like regulations that protect us as well as men. Don't pretend that it's common for individual men to be thinking much about whether they might be in compromising positions in their day to day lives. Forget specifics like offices. Those places have been made safer and safer by policies and regulations that require certain conditions met and ethics followed. It wasn't the abusive doctors who sparked those changes. It was their victims, over generations and generations.

It wasn't the docs and businessmen who were never troubled by the problem nor were they troubled by abuse of women enough to speak up when they see other men assaulting women, those guys help make the environment welcoming for abusers. They don't demand change for women, not very often.

So, please, spare me the nonsense of men going through daily bullshit to dodge a false accusation. Unless you're a rapist, you're not really thinking about how things appear with your words or body language or anything else except in specific situations.

Yet 1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted. Have you noticed their stories pouring out all over media? Go join a women's community that allows men. On Facebook, there's some good ones. Shit Women with Law Degrees Say, Women Without Religion, or something like that if you're not already seeing them all over media. A knitting group. Whatever.

Seriously, stop the fucking fear mongering about a nearly non-existent threat, getting a bunch of scared, aggressive sociopaths riled up about imaginary things at this volatile time. Shame on you.

Also, why are you arguing with women instead of attacking rapists?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's serious rhetoric, but no, no one actually made this list from the ground up with protecting men from accusations in mind as the goal.

One of the points is that men don't actually have to worry too much about false accusations. False accusations make up a fraction of the number of sexual assaults, and only a fraction of that fraction of false accusations are successful.

Yet we put it on women to protect themselves from rape while rapists and their support teams are free of such burdensome lifestyle changes in response to learning that 1 in 3 women are assaulted.

Then, just to make sure every inch of privilege is milked to its maximum potential, they go on to actually pretend women are to be feared, citing a made-up threat.

But men have to bend over backwards to avoid being in positions where a false accusation would make sense. This is especially problematic for those whose normal jobs put them in risky positions. Should a doc have to grab a female employee to be in the room when they're examining a lone female? (And it's going to need to be a medical employee, not merely office staff. Nurse time isn't cheap.) The only time I've ever seen a female doc bring someone unneeded into the room was a dermatologist who was taking a mole off my balls--and she had never seen me before that day.

Again, I'd like to point out that it's not usually men who implement these policies. It's women and others who work for things like regulations that protect us as well as men. Don't pretend that it's common for individual men to be thinking much about whether they might be in compromising positions in their day to day lives. Forget specifics like offices. Those places have been made safer and safer by policies and regulations that require certain conditions met and ethics followed. It wasn't the abusive doctors who sparked those changes. It was their victims, over generations and generations.

When the doctor who owns the clinic is male you can be pretty sure the policy was implemented by a male. It's just you are not male so you don't see the effort men have to spend to avoid problems.

 

[Elixir]

Seriously, stop the fucking fear mongering about a nearly non-existent threat...

Yeah, THAT ^

How many rape accusations (total) are proven to be false accusations on average, annually? Whether it's one or a thousand, it's an insignificant number compared to the tens of millions of young males that Trump&Co are trying to terrorize with this so-called threat. Even talking about it on this forum is helping to propagate the myth that all innocent young male Americans are in immediate danger of being arrested because some female might capriciously decide to make their lives hell.
Fear of imaginary goblins and demons is Cheato's stock in trade - why add to his currency?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Seriously, stop the fucking fear mongering about a nearly non-existent threat...

Yeah, THAT ^

How many rape accusations (total) are proven to be false accusations on average, annually? Whether it's one or a thousand, it's an insignificant number compared to the tens of millions of young males that Trump&Co are trying to terrorize with this so-called threat. Even talking about it on this forum is helping to propagate the myth that all innocent young male Americans are in immediate danger of being arrested because some female might capriciously decide to make their lives hell.
Fear of imaginary goblins and demons is Cheato's stock in trade - why add to his currency?

It's talk like this which makes someone a target for false rape allegations

 

[Elixir]

Seriously, stop the fucking fear mongering about a nearly non-existent threat...

Yeah, THAT ^

How many rape accusations (total) are proven to be false accusations on average, annually? Whether it's one or a thousand, it's an insignificant number compared to the tens of millions of young males that Trump&Co are trying to terrorize with this so-called threat. Even talking about it on this forum is helping to propagate the myth that all innocent young male Americans are in immediate danger of being arrested because some female might capriciously decide to make their lives hell.
Fear of imaginary goblins and demons is Cheato's stock in trade - why add to his currency?

It's talk like this which makes someone a target for false rape allegations

Yeah, especially if it's a female talking like this - or talking at all; if they open their mouths, they're begging for some innocent male to stick their dick in it, right?

 

[Toni]

Again, I'd like to point out that it's not usually men who implement these policies. It's women and others who work for things like regulations that protect us as well as men. Don't pretend that it's common for individual men to be thinking much about whether they might be in compromising positions in their day to day lives. Forget specifics like offices. Those places have been made safer and safer by policies and regulations that require certain conditions met and ethics followed. It wasn't the abusive doctors who sparked those changes. It was their victims, over generations and generations.

When the doctor who owns the clinic is male you can be pretty sure the policy was implemented by a male. It's just you are not male so you don't see the effort men have to spend to avoid problems.

Any reputable physician or medical provider of any gender has a second person in the room while performing any exam that might involve intimate contact. Period.

It is frankly a precaution against any allegations against the provider—not for the patient’s protection.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Seriously, stop the fucking fear mongering about a nearly non-existent threat...

Yeah, THAT ^

How many rape accusations (total) are proven to be false accusations on average, annually? Whether it's one or a thousand, it's an insignificant number compared to the tens of millions of young males that Trump&Co are trying to terrorize with this so-called threat. Even talking about it on this forum is helping to propagate the myth that all innocent young male Americans are in immediate danger of being arrested because some female might capriciously decide to make their lives hell.
Fear of imaginary goblins and demons is Cheato's stock in trade - why add to his currency?

How many rape allegations are proven false has nothing to do with how many sexual harassment claims are false.