TRUMP 2028

[ZiprHead]

There is a very easy way Trump could become president again.

Vance runs for president and wins. Trump is his VP. Vance resigns after midnight. Trump is the peresident again.

The 22nd Amendment bars anyone from being elected president more than twice, and the 12th Amendment blocks anyone ineligible for the presidency from serving as VP. If Trump has already served two terms, he’s constitutionally ineligible to hold the office again—by election or succession.

NHC

And again, Trump wasn't eligible for the presidency the last time. Yet there he is.

 

[NoHolyCows]

There is a very easy way Trump could become president again.

Vance runs for president and wins. Trump is his VP. Vance resigns after midnight. Trump is the peresident again.

The 22nd Amendment bars anyone from being elected president more than twice, and the 12th Amendment blocks anyone ineligible for the presidency from serving as VP. If Trump has already served two terms, he’s constitutionally ineligible to hold the office again—by election or succession.

NHC

And again, Trump wasn't eligible for the presidency the last time. Yet there he is.

Your mixing up two completely different constitutional rules.

NHC

 

[bilby]

There is a very easy way Trump could become president again.

Vance runs for president and wins. Trump is his VP. Vance resigns after midnight. Trump is the peresident again.

The 22nd Amendment bars anyone from being elected president more than twice, and the 12th Amendment blocks anyone ineligible for the presidency from serving as VP. If Trump has already served two terms, he’s constitutionally ineligible to hold the office again—by election or succession.

NHC

And again, Trump wasn't eligible for the presidency the last time. Yet there he is.

Your mixing up two completely different constitutional rules.

NHC

Trump was elected in 2016 and again in 2020 - just ask him.

He was therefore ineligible to run in 2024, by the provisions of the 22nd amendment, which doesn't specify serving (other than in the case of an unelected person serving or acting as president for two or more years), it specifies "be elected".

 

[Elixir]

Trump was elected in 2016 and again in 2020 - just ask him.

He was therefore ineligible to run in 2024, by the provisions of the 22nd amendment…

… proving that the provisions of the 22nd no longer apply! Bring on 2028!

Seriously I don’t get why he is not impeached, convicted and carted off to a rubber room by next week.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump was elected in 2016 and again in 2020 - just ask him.

He was therefore ineligible to run in 2024, by the provisions of the 22nd amendment…

… proving that the provisions of the 22nd no longer apply! Bring on 2028!

Seriously I don’t get why he is not impeached, convicted and carted off to a rubber room by next week.

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control. They've been gunning for that since DeLay gerrymandered the hell out of Texas.

 

[ideologyhunter]

All he'd have to do, to avoid all the Constitutional landmines, is to run with Donny Jr. and announce at every rally that he'd be sonny boy's #1 WH advisor, calling the shots. His base would welcome a Trump dynasty. This is assuming that, at age 82 in the summer/fall of 2028, he's still able to haul his fat dumper on to a stage and do his weird fist dance to Village People tracks. Can't imagine the weird detours in his wheezy voice he'll be making in public remarks by that time. Maybe discussing Mamie Eisenhower's boobage.

 

[Elixir]

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control.

Do they believe that the majority of the electorate wants them to have total control?

They've been gunning for that since DeLay gerrymandered the hell out of Texas.

Even gerrymandering doesn’t yield total control if they keep screwing their constituents. How bad does it have to get before they no longer feel like it was worse under Biden?
I can hear it now; “It’s Brandon’s fault for making me vote for Trump!”

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control.

Do they believe that the majority of the electorate wants them to have total control?

They don't care. They want their band of 1950s America back.

They've been gunning for that since DeLay gerrymandered the hell out of Texas.

Even gerrymandering doesn’t yield total control

No, it was the start. After 2010, they made it much harder for the Democrats to gain a notable majority, regardless have many votes they got. And the gerrymandering really fucked over the states which became much redder despite not actually being that red. Look at Ohio, the gerrymandering in the Legislature has made Ohio look like Idaho.

if they keep screwing their constituents. How bad does it have to get before they no longer feel like it was worse under Biden?

They have perfected convincing their constituents that the screw job was the Democrats fault.

I can hear it now; “It’s Brandon’s fault for making me vote for Trump!”

TSwizzle already says that!

 

[Elixir]

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control.

Do they believe that the majority of the electorate wants them to have total control?

They don't care. They want their band of 1950s America back.

They've been gunning for that since DeLay gerrymandered the hell out of Texas.

Even gerrymandering doesn’t yield total control

No, it was the start. After 2010, they made it much harder for the Democrats to gain a notable majority, regardless have many votes they got. And the gerrymandering really fucked over the states which became much redder despite not actually being that red. Look at Ohio, the gerrymandering in the Legislature has made Ohio look like Idaho.

if they keep screwing their constituents. How bad does it have to get before they no longer feel like it was worse under Biden?

They have perfected convincing their constituents that the screw job was the Democrats fault.

I can hear it now; “It’s Brandon’s fault for making me vote for Trump!”

TSwizzle already says that!

All true.
Joe was probably the worst salesman of any President. Obama was one of the beast.
Trump is probably the GHOAT (greatest huckster of all time) and since his following tends to skew low info/intelligence, they are more easily kept in line than Democrats and left leaners.
I know all this, and still wonder. How much can they take?

 

[Playball40]

We can assume the elections are already going to be rigged (so he wins) given he can't legally run for a third term but is trying to.

Kind of like 2024

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump was elected in 2016 and again in 2020 - just ask him.

He was therefore ineligible to run in 2024, by the provisions of the 22nd amendment…

… proving that the provisions of the 22nd no longer apply! Bring on 2028!

Seriously I don’t get why he is not impeached, convicted and carted off to a rubber room by next week.

Because we are now a dictatorship.

 

[Elixir]

Because we are now a dictatorship.

So we need a bloody war? Because of one fat orange moron?
SMH

 

[bilby]

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control.

Do they believe that the majority of the electorate wants them to have total control?

They don't care. They want their band of 1950s America back.

No, they just want the winning team to be the one wearing red.

Politics in any multi-party system tends to degenerate into this. Taking the simplest case, of a two party system, the chances are that any given voter has policies on both platforms that he likes, and ones that he hates. Picking the one party that provides a better representation of your own stance than the other is almost impossible.

So almost nobody does that. They cheer for the team they picked because their parents supported it; Or because their parents didn't support it; Or because they prefer the colour red over blue; Or prefer blue over red; Or because when they first became aware of the game, the captain of one team was more handsome than his opposite number, or had a better haircut; Or because that team were winning when they first made their pick; Or (most common of all) because their friends mostly support that team.

For most of most people's lives, the choice of whether the President, or the congressional majority, or parliament, or whatever, are red or blue has had no more real-world importance than the choice of which team to support on the football field. They support the side they always support.

If your football team has a disastrous season, loses every game, the coach is jailed for cheating, and the star player is caught raping the cheerleaders, you might be pretty unhappy about it; But you won't switch to supporting their traditional rivals. You will maybe be less enthusiastic, or less public in your enthusiasm, but you won't start cheering for the other guys.

In football, there really is no lasting difference between teams, other than the colour of their shirts (Jerry Seinfeld did a routine about this). For most voters, the same is held to be true of political parties. Voters who don't behave that way are a rare and exotic phenomenon, known as "floating voters", and make up a tiny fraction of the electorate.

Few voters see any important difference between parties, other than that one is THEM, and the other is US. And most of the time, they are broadly correct in that assessment.

Then one party becomes actually evil. But their fans have been hearing for decades from their opponents that they are evil. There's nothing you can say that they haven't heard before; They are deaf to any entreaty to recognise the evil, because accusations of evil are how the game is played. Any effort to point it out will just get a littany of "your side is just as bad..." in response.

The boy who cried "tyranny" is now getting his desserts. Tyranny is here, and nobody's interested in listening.

 

[Tigers!]

The GOP wants tyranny. They want total control.

Do they believe that the majority of the electorate wants them to have total control?

They don't care. They want their band of 1950s America back.

No, they just want the winning team to be the one wearing red.

Politics in any multi-party system tends to degenerate into this. Taking the simplest case, of a two party system, the chances are that any given voter has policies on both platforms that he likes, and ones that he hates. Picking the one party that provides a better representation of your own stance than the other is almost impossible.

So almost nobody does that. They cheer for the team they picked because their parents supported it; Or because their parents didn't support it; Or because they prefer the colour red over blue; Or prefer blue over red; Or because when they first became aware of the game, the captain of one team was more handsome than his opposite number, or had a better haircut; Or because that team were winning when they first made their pick; Or (most common of all) because their friends mostly support that team.

For most of most people's lives, the choice of whether the President, or the congressional majority, or parliament, or whatever, are red or blue has had no more real-world importance than the choice of which team to support on the football field. They support the side they always support.

If your football team has a disastrous season, loses every game, the coach is jailed for cheating, and the star player is caught raping the cheerleaders, you might be pretty unhappy about it; But you won't switch to supporting their traditional rivals. You will maybe be less enthusiastic, or less public in your enthusiasm, but you won't start cheering for the other guys.

In football, there really is no lasting difference between teams, other than the colour of their shirts (Jerry Seinfeld did a routine about this). For most voters, the same is held to be true of political parties. Voters who don't behave that way are a rare and exotic phenomenon, known as "floating voters", and make up a tiny fraction of the electorate.

Few voters see any important difference between parties, other than that one is THEM, and the other is US. And most of the time, they are broadly correct in that assessment.

Then one party becomes actually evil. But their fans have been hearing for decades from their opponents that they are evil. There's nothing you can say that they haven't heard before; They are deaf to any entreaty to recognise the evil, because accusations of evil are how the game is played. Any effort to point it out will just get a littany of "your side is just as bad..." in response.

The boy who cried "tyranny" is now getting his desserts. Tyranny is here, and nobody's interested in listening.

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

 

[Elixir]

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

To avoid the risk of being accused of blaming everything on the felon, I will say that it's hard for a politician in Au to be totally committal about a lot of things right now, due to the current climate of international economic and geopolitical turmoil.
None of which has anything to do with whoever the US elected.

 

[Patooka]

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

Those "Trumpet of Patriots" ads are fucking painful though.

 

[bilby]

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

Those "Trumpet of Patriots" ads are fucking painful though.

There is no reaction available on this forum that is sufficient to adequately express my level of agreement, so please consider my "like" to be worth a hundred times its nominal value.

 

[Tigers!]

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

Those "Trumpet of Patriots" ads are fucking painful though.

Whomever is their PR man should be tarred and feathered. Who'd ever think that a party name with the letters "Trump" in it or the acronym "MAGA - (make Aust. great again)" would fly in Australia?
Should have test driven it at the local pub first.

 

[Patooka]

Time to think is 3rd May 2025.
I am most disappointed in the current election campaign in Australia. Degenerated quickly into an auction and who will make the least mistakes.
No vision, no real hope in the future.

Those "Trumpet of Patriots" ads are fucking painful though.

There is no reaction available on this forum that is sufficient to adequately express my level of agreement, so please consider my "like" to be worth a hundred times its nominal value.

I mean, you'd think with all the money Clive's got he'd hire someone mildly competent to do his fucking ads. This election will make him zero for five or six?

 

[Swammerdami]

What IS going on in what's left of the Democracies? I dunno. Help please.

In Australia the conservative coalition was poised to win, but now Labor is favored due to anti-Trump sentiment. Is that correct?

What about Canada?

“I expect that [voters] are going to vote for the candidate that they think will minimize the cost of the trade war with the US,” says Morck, the economist, pointing to the level of anti-American sentiment and distrust among Canadians. “I haven’t seen anything like it since the Vietnam war.”

But minimizing the cost of the trade war means appeasing Trump, no?

The three biggest European democracies are governed by centrists, I think. Are Trump imitators or Trump appeasers gaining strength anywhere?