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All politicians make promises that they know will be hard to fulfill.But,Trump's were so insane.What is he going to say next year when He has to come through on stuff like the wall?The art of the deal is to say what ever it takes to close the sale.What is he going to say"I was just joking"?
The poison in the kool aid may just take a bit longer to kick in.
 
Schrodinger's Outlaw said:
what did trump inherit and what is he going to do with it?
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I am literally sick to my stomach.

The majority of American voters wanted a stupid, perverted, racist, sexist conman pig to represent America.

I guess we won't hear from Trump about the 'rigged' elections, right?
 
credoconsolans said:
Schrodinger's Outlaw said:
what did trump inherit and what is he going to do with it?
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I am literally sick to my stomach.

The majority of American voters wanted a stupid, perverted, racist, sexist conman pig to represent America.

I guess we won't hear from Trump about the 'rigged' elections, right?
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Clinton appears to have won the popular vote, barely.
 
barbos said:
Jayjay said:
After the initial hangover, I think America is going to be alright. Europe on the other hand is going down the drain.
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Because of Trump?
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I should have said that Europe continues to go down the drain. Trump isn't to blame alone, but certainly his victory won't help as it emboldens similar protest movements. The undercurrent of dissatisfied middle class that thinks it's being screwed by the elites and want to screw them back is strong in a lot of European countries, and these guys idolize Trump, Farage and their ilk. Trump cutting deals with Russia and leaving EU and NATO to hang out to dry is a very likely scenario, leaving EU alone with its increasingly inefficient sanctions and empty rhetoric with regards to Ukraine and Syria.

If I were an optimist, I'd say the only bright side is that maybe finally this will shake up Europe enough that the progressive forces get their shit together and fight back.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Schrodinger's Outlaw said:
what did trump inherit and what is he going to do with it?
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I have no idea. The one thing that I'm sure of is that Trump definitely has no idea. He has the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and has made a clear demonstration that he's more tapped into America than any of the people opposing him were.

Now he has to do something and he's made it quite clear that he has no idea what that might be or how he'll go about it.
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There are two possibilities:

1) For lack of a better option, he'll be a rubber stamp for whatever rightist wet dream the house and senate Republican majorities come up with. These would include things like repealing Obamacare, lowering the minimum wage, deregulating the banks, deregulating consumer protections, gutting the unions, privatizing schools, privatizing medicaid/medicare, gutting social security, gutting welfare, appointing right-wing activists to the supreme court and expanding the Pentagon budget and declaring war on just about everyone.

2) He'll come up with a lot of very ambitious and specific ideas for how he wants things to go and try to make them happen with executive orders. Most of these won't work, a few will; in either case he will manage to accomplish very little and will run an incompetent, self-destructive presidency until he gets voted out in four years by an exhausted and disillusioned husk of a country.

I'm not sure which would be worse.
 
Philos said:
Folks,

This is what I had expected. On a personal, positive, note I won't be spending money on national/international newspapers for a few years, sitting in front of live TV news or wasting time on politics forums. As far as possible, my life will be 'Trump free'. It will be a different life, much as I was in my teen years when I didn't give a hoot about politics and just got on with what I was doing.

Some might think this an emotional response, and there is much empathy for the fate of others, but I had it planned and am ready for the change. My daily adage will be - 'Never discuss religion or politics'. :cool-new:

P.
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I have been thinking the same thing for the last few days, as I was somewhat fearful that this would happen. I also will try to convince my spouse that we need to sell our home and move closer to our son and grandkids. That way, we can totally immerse ourselves in getting to know them better and being a good influence on them. They are only 3 and 5 years old, so we still have time before they outgrow us.

I worry more for the younger folks than for myself.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Schrodinger's Outlaw said:
what did trump inherit and what is he going to do with it?
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I have no idea. The one thing that I'm sure of is that Trump definitely has no idea. He has the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and has made a clear demonstration that he's more tapped into America than any of the people opposing him were.

Now he has to do something and he's made it quite clear that he has no idea what that might be or how he'll go about it.
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Except he didn't.

Trump supporters were expecting a landslide. He barely squeaked into office and did NOT win the popular vote.

By comparison, Obama won the electoral AND popular vote.

He didn't make a clear demonstration that the majority of Americans think he's tapped into their worldview.
 
Horatio Parker said:
Tom Sawyer said:
I have no idea. The one thing that I'm sure of is that Trump definitely has no idea. He has the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and has made a clear demonstration that he's more tapped into America than any of the people opposing him were.

Now he has to do something and he's made it quite clear that he has no idea what that might be or how he'll go about it.
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First off, all Trump voters will get 10% off at his hotels and golf course.
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This would be okay if there was a way to prove who someone voted for.
 
Trump supporters for the most part just wanted to fuck over the establishment. I don't think they'll care if he doesn't build the wall or do some of the other things he promised exactly to the letter, just as they didn't care about his blatant lies during the campaign.
 
credoconsolans said:
Tom Sawyer said:
I have no idea. The one thing that I'm sure of is that Trump definitely has no idea. He has the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court and has made a clear demonstration that he's more tapped into America than any of the people opposing him were.

Now he has to do something and he's made it quite clear that he has no idea what that might be or how he'll go about it.
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Except he didn't.

Trump supporters were expecting a landslide. He barely squeaked into office and did NOT win the popular vote.

By comparison, Obama won the electoral AND popular vote.

He didn't make a clear demonstration that the majority of Americans think he's tapped into their worldview.
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He won with the least unpopular vote. Trump supporters were hoping for a win despite the polls showing Clinton as the favourite or more appropriately the least unpopular.
In my view he was the better alternative if not ideal choice.
 
Jayjay said:
barbos said:
Because of Trump?
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I should have said that Europe continues to go down the drain. Trump isn't to blame alone, but certainly his victory won't help as it emboldens similar protest movements. The undercurrent of dissatisfied middle class that thinks it's being screwed by the elites and want to screw them back is strong in a lot of European countries, and these guys idolize Trump, Farage and their ilk. Trump cutting deals with Russia and leaving EU and NATO to hang out to dry is a very likely scenario, leaving EU alone with its increasingly inefficient sanctions and empty rhetoric with regards to Ukraine and Syria.

If I were an optimist, I'd say the only bright side is that maybe finally this will shake up Europe enough that the progressive forces get their shit together and fight back.
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Yes, Putin and Trump will have a pact and Finland will be mentioned in secret part of it :)
Maybe there is a reason why "progressive" are losing everywhere? By they way, that's not all bad news, "pro-western" (I put it in quotes because they are not) government in Ukraine is falling apart fast.
 
Jayjay said:
Trump supporters for the most part just wanted to fuck over the establishment. I don't think they'll care if he doesn't build the wall or do some of the other things he promised exactly to the letter, just as they didn't care about his blatant lies during the campaign.
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Can you blame them? Trump does not have many real supporters, he has a lot of establishment (and Hilary represents establishment) haters.
 
barbos said:
Jayjay said:
I should have said that Europe continues to go down the drain. Trump isn't to blame alone, but certainly his victory won't help as it emboldens similar protest movements. The undercurrent of dissatisfied middle class that thinks it's being screwed by the elites and want to screw them back is strong in a lot of European countries, and these guys idolize Trump, Farage and their ilk. Trump cutting deals with Russia and leaving EU and NATO to hang out to dry is a very likely scenario, leaving EU alone with its increasingly inefficient sanctions and empty rhetoric with regards to Ukraine and Syria.

If I were an optimist, I'd say the only bright side is that maybe finally this will shake up Europe enough that the progressive forces get their shit together and fight back.
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Yes, Putin and Trump will have a pact and Finland will be mentioned in secret part of it :)
Maybe there is a reason why "progressive" are losing everywhere? By they way, that's not all bad news, "pro-western" (I put it in quotes because they are not) government in Ukraine is falling apart fast.
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By what standard can destabilizing Ukraine be considered good news, unless your name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin? The way I see it, Putin and Trump are the new Molotov and Ribbentropp when it comes to Europe. There may not be a written pact, but giving Putin a free pass in Ukraine is a slippery slide that opens the door for doing the same elsewhere.
 
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