Trump finally finds an illegal voter!!!!

[RavenSky]

Trump Prosecutor Gets First Illegal Voting Conviction. The Penalty Is $200 And Possible Deportation.
The voter, an Italian who has lived in the U.S. since 1985, said he didn’t check whether he was ineligible.

Alessandro Cannizzaro, a 47-year-old father of two who has been in the U.S. since 1985, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of voting by an alien...

Cannizzaro told U.S. District Judge Terrence Boyle that he’d applied for citizenship back in 2003 and had passed the test, but was awaiting his chance to be sworn in and never heard back from immigration officials. The government said Cannizzaro was told he needed to be fingerprinted in 2005 as part of his application for citizenship but didn’t show up.

Cannizzaro’s lawyer said he never received the letter telling him to come in and be fingerprinted. He ended up voting in 2016.

Guess which party he is registered with!

Go on... guess!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/voter-fraud-doj-north-carolina_us_5bbf7393e4b040bb4e7ffe54?tzk

 

[ZiprHead]

He's Italian so I'll say the Greens.

What do I win?

 

[bilby]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

 

[Deepak]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

No, but fingerprints must be submitted to apply for citizenship. This is standard practice in most countries for visa applications, and my Aufenthaltstitel (temporary inter-company transfer) required photo, biometric, and criminal background check submissions as well as an in person interview too. The French and English equivalents had the same documentation requirements but no interview like with Germany.

 

[bilby]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

No, but fingerprints must be submitted to apply for citizenship. This is standard practice in most countries for visa applications, and my Aufenthaltstitel (temporary inter-company transfer) required photo, biometric, and criminal background check submissions as well as an in person interview too. The French and English equivalents had the same documentation requirements but no interview like with Germany.

That's very odd. I had to get a clearance letter from the police that declared that I had no convictions or criminal record; I fail to see what use the Australian authorities could have had for my fingerprints.

It was the 1990s though. A lot of things changed after 2001 (not for the better, IMO).

 

[Deepak]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

No, but fingerprints must be submitted to apply for citizenship. This is standard practice in most countries for visa applications, and my Aufenthaltstitel (temporary inter-company transfer) required photo, biometric, and criminal background check submissions as well as an in person interview too. The French and English equivalents had the same documentation requirements but no interview like with Germany.

That's very odd. I had to get a clearance letter from the police that declared that I had no convictions or criminal record; I fail to see what use the Australian authorities could have had for my fingerprints.

It was the 1990s though. A lot of things changed after 2001 (not for the better, IMO).

That's exactly it - prior to 9/11 the level of scrutiny was lower, as well as the information sharing & ability to collect and process that information effectively. Nowadays they can check the fingerprints against national databases, as well as internationally shared information. Hell even visa-free travel has a lot more scrutiny these days - just ask Bill Browder.

 

[fast]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

If you're not a citizen by birth, you're a stranger. We shouldn't hold the same level of concern for those we are familiar with and watched grow up from birth than we would with those not like us with their own set of unique cultural values.

And another thing, a US citizen that's not by birth is word-play trickery. That's like saying homosexuals taking vows are married because of legal definition. If you're gonna warp what is ordinarily thought with defining the distinction away, the pre-molested term and what it means doesn't go away.

Why a true conservative would regard a non US born US citizen as truly being one is problematic for the same reason. One is an immigrant, alien, and stranger taking steps upon the land of another.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

US citizens are not fingerprinted. However, part of the application to become a citizen involves fingerprinting. It's part of a background check--they run it through a database to see if you have the prints of a bad guy.

And note that it's not a post-2001 thing--we had the same thing in the late 80s when we married and my wife got a green card. I don't recall if she was printed again in becoming a citizen.

 

[phands]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

I'm going through the Green Card process right now. In a few weeks, I will be required to show up for full biometrics gathering. Not just fingerprints - all-angle photos, signature. They are talking about Iris & Retina scans as well now, though they aren't in place.

Biometrics data is only valid for 15 months, so I expect this to be a regular occurrence. This is in addition to the fact that I get fingerprinted and photographed every time I enter the country, and i travel a lot....I've been fingerprinted 34 times in the last 3 years.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

"He was paid to by the democrats!!"

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I've been fingerprinted 34 times in the last 3 years.

Ya, me too. It sucks.

I mean, you kill one frigging hitchhiker and all of a sudden the cops are showing up at your house and harassing you every time another one goes missing. Bloody fascists.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wait, what? Fingerprinted?

Are all US Citizens fingerprinted by the government? In most countries, only criminals and suspected criminals are required to provide their fingerprints (although it's common for victims of crime to provide a set of prints for elimination purposes, and in many jurisdictions such prints are destroyed at the close of the investigation).

Or is this requirement only applicable to people who are not citizens by birth - and if so, why the double standard?

I had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to become an Australian citizen, but I never had to provide my fingerprints to the government.

US citizens are not fingerprinted.

How many children have been fingerprinted?

 

[RavenSky]

US citizens are not fingerprinted.

I've been fingerprinted for every (work-related) license I have.

 

[Elixir]

I've been fingerprinted 34 times in the last 3 years.

Ya, me too. It sucks.

I mean, you kill one frigging hitchhiker and all of a sudden the cops are showing up at your house and harassing you every time another one goes missing. Bloody fascists.

You have to change your fingerprint regularly, just like any other password.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

US citizens are not fingerprinted.

I've been fingerprinted for every (work-related) license I have.

I meant as a general thing--there's no fingerprinting for simply being a citizen.

What there is is fingerprinting for anything that involves a background check.