• Welcome to the new Internet Infidels Discussion Board, formerly Talk Freethought.

Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

But....pointing out where HE was wrong means admitting THEY know better, now. Doesn't that open them up to being held MORE responsible for deaths after this reveal?
 
Tulsa health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge

OKLAHOMA CITY — President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.

Although the health department’s policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely” contributed to the spike.

“In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots,” Dart said.
Click to expand...
 
ZiprHead said:
Tulsa health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge

OKLAHOMA CITY — President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.

Although the health department’s policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely” contributed to the spike.

“In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots,” Dart said.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
And in today's news of the obvious.....
 
Isn't it rather amazing that the top news story about the U.S. on the BBC is that Trumpty Dumpty wore a mask? One could look at such a development as progress I suppose.
 
NY Forward | New York Forward - as of this writing, all of New York State is in Phase Four except for New York City, which is still in Phase Three.
  • Higher Education
  • Low-Risk Outdoor Arts & Entertainment
  • Low-Risk Indoor Arts & Entertainment
  • Media Production
  • Professional Sports Competitions With No Fans
  • Malls
Citing rising numbers, the governors of California and New Mexico -- having already taken some steps -- reimposed restrictions on dining. In Oregon, where the number of cases has recently risen, the governor expanded rules on face coverings to include outdoor gatherings where social distance cannot be maintained.

In California, Gov. Gavin Newsom cited increases in the rate of positive cases and instances of community transmission when he ordered all counties to close many indoor activities.

Newsom said restaurant dining rooms, indoor wineries, tasting rooms, movie theaters, family entertainment centers, zoos, and museums should close. Those that can should offer outdoor areas of service. Bars must close all operations.
Click to expand...
 
New York City reports zero new deaths from Covid-19 for the first time in months - CNN
The test positivity rate in New York City is now at 2%. But that doesn't mean the battle against the virus is over. De Blasio pointed to rising infection rates among young adults ages 20 to 29, which he called "worrisome." The mayor said the city will be "doubling down" on trying to quash the virus among young adults by offering more mobile testing vans, outreach programs and mask giveaways.

De Blasio said the city has set up 10 new testing sites in the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn.
Click to expand...
1 in 3 young adults vulnerable to severe Covid-19 — and smoking plays a big part, research finds - CNN
The researchers found 32% of the total study population were medically vulnerable for severe Covid-19. However, when the group of participants who smoked cigarettes or e-cigarettes were taken out of the analysis, the medically vulnerable percentage decreased by half, to 16%.
Click to expand...
I've glad I've never smoked in my life.

Florida coronavirus: 1 state has more Covid-19 cases than most countries - CNN - "Florida had more new cases in 1 day than the entire US did in about 2 months"
Australia (population 25 million) has had 9,980 cases of Covid-19, according to data Monday from Johns Hopkins University.
South Korea (population 51 million) has had 13,479 coronavirus cases as of Monday.
Florida (population 21 million) has had 282,435 Covid-19 cases by Monday, according to Johns Hopkins.
In other words, Florida's Covid-19 cases has topped Australia's and South Korea's combined -- times 12.

...
At least 4,277 Floridians have died from Covid-19.
A Boeing 747 plane can carry about 400 passengers. That means the coronavirus death toll from Florida is about the same as if 10 jumbo jets crashed, killing everyone on board.
Click to expand...
That's more than have died in the 9/11 attacks.
Six months ago, the world thought this new coronavirus was contained to China -- specifically, the Wuhan area.
But now, the entire country of China has less than 1/3 the total Covid-19 cases that Florida does, according to Johns Hopkins data. As of Monday, China had 85,117 total cases since the pandemic started, compared to Florida's 282,435.

...
As of Monday, Italy (population 60 million) had 243,230 cases from throughout the pandemic. Florida (population 21 million) has already surpassed that number, at 282,435.
Florida's death toll, however, remains lower than Italy's -- 4,277 in Florida, compared to 34,954 in Italy.

...
f Florida were a country, it would rank No. 9 in the number of Covid-19 cases worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins data Monday.
Click to expand...
More COVID-19 cases than Florida: United States, Brazil, India, Russia, Peru, Chile, Mexico, the United Kingdom.
Fewer COVID-19 cases than Florida: more than 100 countries, including France, Germany and Japan.

Governor DeSantis ought to be ashamed of himself. The continued spread of this disease is likely to ruin Florida as (1) a tourist destination and (2) a place to retire to.
 
Michigan coronavirus: Revelers celebrated the July 4 weekend at a Michigan lake. Now some have Covid-19 - CNN
After revelers celebrated the Fourth of July at a Michigan lake, some started testing positive for Covid-19 -- prompting health officials to warn other party-goers that they might have been infected, too.

The Health Department of Northwest Michigan said other health officials in the state reported that several people have tested positive "after attending the festivities at the Torch Lake sandbar over the Fourth of July holiday," the department said Friday.
Click to expand...
Coronavirus: Drugmakers will start vaccine production by end of summer, Trump health officials say
  • U.S. health officials and drugmakers expect to start producing potential coronavirus vaccine doses by the end of the summer, a senior Trump administration official said Monday.
  • The U.S. is aiming to deliver 300 million doses of a vaccine for Covid-19 by early 2021. The manufacturing process is already underway even though they aren’t sure which vaccine, if any, will work, the official told reporters on a conference call.
  • The administration has selected four potential vaccines as the most likely candidates, but the official said Monday that that list could grow. On the list are vaccines from biotech firm Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.

COVID-19: LA, San Diego schools online only; California closures
Black, Asian Americans report Increased discrimination during pandemic

According to a Pew Research Center report, discrimination and racism have increased in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, particularly for Asians. USA TODAY
Click to expand...
Presumably because the virus started spreading in eastern Asia.
Trump promotes tweet claiming CDC, physicians are lying about COVID-19

President Donald Trump retweeted a post claiming the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and others are telling "outrageous lies" about the pandemic. The original tweet, from conservative podcast host Chuck Woolery, claims the lies are politically motivated and designed to keep the economy from reviving.

"The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying," Woolery, a former game show host, wrote. "The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it."
Click to expand...
 
White House Covid-19 team wants to pool Covid-19 samples to speed up testing. But my question is, how high can positive rates be, for pooling to be effective. At 20%, seen in the Southeast, you have a near 100% chance of having 1 positive for every five tests. Pooling wouldn't seem very useful, as pools would need to be smaller.

A little research and NPR notes that 10% positive rates is about the highest you can go.

NPR said:
If the pooled test comes back positive, it's then necessary to test each of the original specimens individually — and that takes more time and more material. But on the whole, if a lab is testing samples that will be negative at least 90% of the time, the lab comes out ahead using the pooled approach.
Click to expand...
Okay, so if dumb me can see a hole in their method for the high outbreak states, why in the heck are the p... oh... nevermind... it is the Trump Administration.
 
WTF?

article said:
Speaking during a webinar with the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director, Dr. Robert Redfield, said he does not think reopening is "what's driving the current Southern expansion right now."

Redfield pointed to a spike in coronavirus cases around June 12-16.

“It all simultaneously kind of popped,” he said.

Redfield said this surge was independent of when states reopened to varying degrees across the region, “so we're of the view that there was something else that was the driver," he said. The CDC director said the potential spike could have been from travel during the Memorial Day weekend.

“A lot of Northerners decided to go south for vacations. The Southern groups had never really taken the mitigation steps that seriously, because they really didn't have an outbreak," he said.
Click to expand...
What?! So the North spread it to the South, despite a complete lack of an outbreak in the North. What is this bullshit?!
 
And yet people keep coming!! The hotels are full and the beaches are packed! This SUCKS and Gov Dumbshitis just keeps denying and ignoring.

lpetrich said:
New York City reports zero new deaths from Covid-19 for the first time in months - CNN

1 in 3 young adults vulnerable to severe Covid-19 — and smoking plays a big part, research finds - CNN

I've glad I've never smoked in my life.

Florida coronavirus: 1 state has more Covid-19 cases than most countries - CNN - "Florida had more new cases in 1 day than the entire US did in about 2 months"
Australia (population 25 million) has had 9,980 cases of Covid-19, according to data Monday from Johns Hopkins University.
South Korea (population 51 million) has had 13,479 coronavirus cases as of Monday.
Florida (population 21 million) has had 282,435 Covid-19 cases by Monday, according to Johns Hopkins.
In other words, Florida's Covid-19 cases has topped Australia's and South Korea's combined -- times 12.

...
At least 4,277 Floridians have died from Covid-19.
A Boeing 747 plane can carry about 400 passengers. That means the coronavirus death toll from Florida is about the same as if 10 jumbo jets crashed, killing everyone on board.
Click to expand...
That's more than have died in the 9/11 attacks.
Six months ago, the world thought this new coronavirus was contained to China -- specifically, the Wuhan area.
But now, the entire country of China has less than 1/3 the total Covid-19 cases that Florida does, according to Johns Hopkins data. As of Monday, China had 85,117 total cases since the pandemic started, compared to Florida's 282,435.

...
As of Monday, Italy (population 60 million) had 243,230 cases from throughout the pandemic. Florida (population 21 million) has already surpassed that number, at 282,435.
Florida's death toll, however, remains lower than Italy's -- 4,277 in Florida, compared to 34,954 in Italy.

...
f Florida were a country, it would rank No. 9 in the number of Covid-19 cases worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins data Monday.
Click to expand...
More COVID-19 cases than Florida: United States, Brazil, India, Russia, Peru, Chile, Mexico, the United Kingdom.
Fewer COVID-19 cases than Florida: more than 100 countries, including France, Germany and Japan.

Governor DeSantis ought to be ashamed of himself. The continued spread of this disease is likely to ruin Florida as (1) a tourist destination and (2) a place to retire to.
Click to expand...
 
The US is diving into a dark Covid hole -- and there's no plan to get out - CNNPolitics
Delusion dominates an administration that perversely claims the United States is the world leader in beating this modern day plague. There are only contradictions, obfuscations and confusion from the federal officials who ought to be charting a national course.

he massive integrated testing and tracing effort that could highlight and isolate infection epicenters doesn't exist. Attempts to reopen schools in a few weeks are already descending into farce amid conflicting messages from Washington.

Amid all of this, the coronavirus task force does not hold daily briefings, and when it does, they are an exercise in dodging difficult questions and self-congratulation.
Click to expand...
Nothing like the successes elsewhere in the world.
Americans are banned from traveling to Europe because the pandemic is raging here. And Trump was embarrassed when Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau chose to stay behind the closed US-Canada border this week instead of visiting the White House.

While US medical researchers and corporations are in the vanguard of efforts to find therapies and cures, the US effort to quell the virus' deadly march represents nothing less than a political debacle that humbled the world's most powerful nation in the eyes of its allies and those who wish it ill. The massive disconnects between federal and state and local officials are making President George W. Bush's Hurricane Katrina disaster look like a trifle.
Click to expand...
I can't imagine that Trump is taking those travel bans very well.
It is no secret what has worked inside the US and elsewhere in quelling the virus. Early shutdowns, social distancing, the use of masks and prudent opening plans have helped lower new infections to manageable levels from New York City to Italy. Aggressive testing and tracing operations have kept a lid on the pandemic in South Korea and allowed officials in Singapore and Germany to quickly snuff out hotspots.

There is no sign that such competence will soon arrive in the US. The administration, which has offloaded responsibility for fighting the virus to states, doesn't appear to have the desire or capacity to build any such system.
Click to expand...
Trump doesn't seem to want to learn from anyone's experience. Though I'm sure that if the issue ever came up, he'd brag about how no one is a better learner than he is.

COVID-19: California restrictions; NY sends testing teams to Atlanta
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced the state will send testing and contact tracing teams to Atlanta as the city's COVID-19 cases continue to rise.

"Mayor Bottoms, we've been watching you and what you've been going through," Cuomo told Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms in a joint video conference Monday. "Anything we can do for you, for the city, we stand ready."

Bottoms responded: "Thank you Governor, and that's exactly what we need assistance with. Testing that gets people results very quickly, and also the contact tracing because we know that's extremely important for us to help slow the spread."
Click to expand...
Thus showing much more public-spiritedness than Trump.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
White House Covid-19 team wants to pool Covid-19 samples to speed up testing. But my question is, how high can positive rates be, for pooling to be effective. At 20%, seen in the Southeast, you have a near 100% chance of having 1 positive for every five tests. Pooling wouldn't seem very useful, as pools would need to be smaller.

A little research and NPR notes that 10% positive rates is about the highest you can go.

NPR said:
If the pooled test comes back positive, it's then necessary to test each of the original specimens individually — and that takes more time and more material. But on the whole, if a lab is testing samples that will be negative at least 90% of the time, the lab comes out ahead using the pooled approach.
Click to expand...
Okay, so if dumb me can see a hole in their method for the high outbreak states, why in the heck are the p... oh... nevermind... it is the Trump Administration.
Click to expand...

Pooled tests make sense for the precautionary testing. It's not so good for patient testing for the reasons NPR states.
 
Chad Pergram on Twitter: "Senate Dem source says Schumer tells Senate Dems he’s had no outreach from McConnell on next coronavirus bill. McConnell has said repeatedly he intends to write the bill in his office, if there is in fact another coronavirus bill" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The House voted to send a 2nd stimulus check *2 mos ago* & Senate Republicans haven’t even discussed it.
For a party that pretends to care abt hard work, they are the laziest leaders in COVID.
Even House GOP work harder, & they don’t even read bills.
GET TO WORK @senatemajldr" / Twitter

Opinion | In Some Countries, Normal Life Is Back After the Coronavirus. Not Here. - The New York Times - "Trump’s incompetence has wrecked us. Where are the calls for him to resign?"
After author Michelle Goldberg noted New Zealand,
It’s coming back elsewhere too. Taiwan, where most days this month no new cases have been reported, just held the Taipei Film Festival, and a recent baseball game drew 10,000 spectators. Italy was once the epicenter of Europe’s outbreak and remains in a state of emergency, but with just a few hundred new cases a day in the whole country, bars are open and tourists have started returning, though of course Americans remain banned. According to The New York Times’s figures, there were 321 new cases in all of Canada last Friday.

And America? We had 68,241. As of last week, the worst per capita outbreak on the planet was in Arizona, followed by Florida. The world is closed to us; American passports were once coveted, but now only a few dozen nations will let us in. Lawrence O. Gostin, professor of global health law at Georgetown, told me he doesn’t expect American life to feel truly normal before summer 2022. Two years of our lives, stolen by Donald Trump.
Click to expand...
Opinion | A Shutdown May Be Needed to Stop the Coronavirus - The New York Times
A comprehensive shutdown may be required in much of the country.

By John M. Barry

Mr. Barry is the author of “The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History.”
Click to expand...
That was the 1918 one.
To understand just how bad things are in the United States and, more important, what can be done about it requires comparison. At this writing, Italy, once the poster child of coronavirus devastation and with a population twice that of Texas, has recently averaged about 200 new cases a day when Texas has had over 9,000. Germany, with a population four times that of Florida, has had fewer than 400 new cases a day. On Sunday, Florida reported over 15,300, the highest single-day total of any state.

The White House says the country has to learn to live with the virus. That’s one thing if new cases occurred at the rates in Italy or Germany, not to mention South Korea or Australia or Vietnam (which so far has zero deaths). It’s another thing when the United States has the highest growth rate of new cases in the world, ahead even of Brazil.
Click to expand...
 
So umm... Trump Admin wants states to report directly to the Department of HHS... not the CDC anymore... to "streamline" the process.

article said:
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.

...

News of the change came as a shock at the C.D.C., according to two officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter. Michael R. Caputo, a Health and Human Services spokesman, called the C.D.C.’s system inadequate and said the two systems would be linked. The C.D.C. would continue to make data public, he said.
Click to expand...
A shock? I'd say. There is only one reason to do this. And it is impeachable. They are trying to hide a pandemic. This is shit that happens in Banana Republics and Dictatorships.

Gee... I wonder if the GOP will finally grow a spine... oh wait... nope. They don't care about the people, apparently at all.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom