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Elixir said:
It has become apparent that what we have now is an administration actively trying to cull the population.
Some might call it intentional genocide. The more generous interpretation would be negligent genocide, but I think evidence is stronger for the former characterization.
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crazyfingers said:
So Trump doesn't like CDC guidelines on the kids going back to school. It's pretty clear that Trump has zero concern about families. While early data suggested that kids were less hard-hit by the virus, that's changing and of course sick or asymptomatic kids will still bring the virus home to infect their parents and grand parents.

Trump really has no understanding or no care for others or both.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics/trump-cdc-school-guidelines-funding/index.html

(CNN)President Donald Trump tweeted Wednesday his disagreement with the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines for safely reopening schools, calling the recommendations "very tough" and "expensive."

He also threatened he "may cut off funding" to schools that do not reopen, though the bulk of public school funding comes from state and local governments.
"I disagree with @CDCgov on their very tough & expensive guidelines for opening schools. While they want them open, they are asking schools to do very impractical things. I will be meeting with them!!!" the President tweeted.

The CDC's guidelines encourage hygiene, the use of cloth face coverings, and staying home when appropriate. It also suggests staggered scheduling, a back-up staffing plan, modified seating layouts to allow social distancing, physical barriers and closing of communal spaces.

Trump, who has advocated for reopening states amid surging coronavirus cases, said Tuesday he would pressure governors to reopen schools this fall during a discussion with educators, administrators, students and parents.

"We hope that most schools are going to be open," Trump said at a White House event, baselessly claiming that some places will want to stay closed "for political reasons."
"They think it's going to be good for them politically, so they keep the schools closed," the President alleged without evidence. "No way."
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As it is, my kids school is talking about having kids at a minimum of 3 feet apart. I have seen nothing to suggest that even with a mask it's considered safe to have many people inside a room all day only 3 feet apart.
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Don't worry. Average classroom sizes in the US are very small, no more than 10 students per teacher in an effort to maximize learning for our kids. It is why America outranks all other First world nations in education. Plenty of room for spacing. And because everyone has enough food at home, we'll have all students bring their own lunches and eat it in the classroom to avoid intermingling. *sunshine*
 
crazyfingers said:
So Trump doesn't like CDC guidelines on the kids going back to school. ...

As it is, my kids school is talking about having kids at a minimum of 3 feet apart. I have seen nothing to suggest that even with a mask it's considered safe to have many people inside a room all day only 3 feet apart.
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The states should each come up with a plan to get the kids back to school safely including 6 foot social distancing, classrooms of sufficient size and ventilation, plenty of PPE supplies as well as disinfection routines and sanitary facilities, as well as bringing teachers and teacher substitutes on-board, and then to go to the Trump administration with how much money it would take to implement on whatever schedule they demand. I mean anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. You don't need to build more schools if you could rent convention centers, etc. But Trump needs to put his money where his mouth is.
 
Elixir said:
It has become apparent that what we have now is an administration actively trying to cull the population.
Some might call it intentional genocide. The more generous interpretation would be negligent genocide, but I think evidence is stronger for the former characterization.
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I wouldn't say that. We have an administration that thinks opening back up and getting people back to work and improving the economy is the key to winning the upcoming election. People's lives be damned.
 
ZiprHead said:
Elixir said:
It has become apparent that what we have now is an administration actively trying to cull the population.
Some might call it intentional genocide. The more generous interpretation would be negligent genocide, but I think evidence is stronger for the former characterization.
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I wouldn't say that. We have an administration that thinks opening back up and getting people back to work and improving the economy is the key to winning the upcoming election. People's lives be damned.
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And if they get the timing right the little tikes won't start dropping off until after the election. Trump's distain for the well being of children seems to be of a pattern. Maybe because he sees them as competition for attention. He's really not matured past the conscience of a 2 year old.
 
Treedbear said:
ZiprHead said:
Elixir said:
It has become apparent that what we have now is an administration actively trying to cull the population.
Some might call it intentional genocide. The more generous interpretation would be negligent genocide, but I think evidence is stronger for the former characterization.
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I wouldn't say that. We have an administration that thinks opening back up and getting people back to work and improving the economy is the key to winning the upcoming election. People's lives be damned.
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And if they get the timing right the little tikes won't start dropping off until after the election. Trump's distain for the well being of children seems to be of a pattern. Maybe because he sees them as competition for attention. He's really not matured past the conscience of a 2 year old.
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Well yeah, all of that, timing, and IF...
Here's the but to go with the ifs: But "the economy" is already doing great, independent of how many people are dying or not working. At some point self preservation instincts kick in for the masses. Obviously if Trump hadn't tried to wash his hands of the whole unsavory business in March, and had instead mandated a fed level lockdown and spent the money he gave to his donors for PPE and testing supplies, he would be sitting pretty right now and would probably be a lock for re-election, crowing abut the millions of lives he saved with nobody there to contradict him.. As it is, it looks likely (imho) that right around the end of October we will have an actual "second wave" cresting with once again unprecedented case levels, and perhaps death levels too, as treatment capacity falls short of demand. It could be uglier than anything that comes before.

Maybe it's time now to erect a statue to those hundreds of thousands (millions?) of brave souls who gave of their health and their very lives to the coronavirus, to save their Country from Donald Trump.
 
And hours after Trump tweeted his complaint, CDC says they will soften their guidelines on back to school.

Time to trust the CDC less.
 
'People aren’t stupid': Pence's virus spin tests credibility
Vice President Mike Pence has long played the straight man to Donald Trump, translating the president's bombast into more measured, calming language.

His job has become even more difficult. As coronavirus cases spike across large parts of the country despite months of lockdown, Pence has spent the past week trying to convince the American public that things are going very well, even though they're not.

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For public health experts, the optimism has been unmoored from reality.

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While Trump has tried to distance himself from what he calls “the plague" as he pursues reelection, Pence has emerged as the public face of this phase of the outbreak, traveling frequently to virus hot spots, coordinating with governors and leading the administration's coronavirus task force.
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Thus being more of a leader than Trump, it must be conceded. Trump seems like he wants the glory of the Presidency without doing the actual work of it.
 
Elixir said:
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Well yeah, all of that, timing, and IF...
Here's the but to go with the ifs: But "the economy" is already doing great, independent of how many people are dying or not working. At some point self preservation instincts kick in for the masses. ...
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"The economy" tends to mean the banks. But what happens when people can't pay their rents and landlords can't pay their mortgages? I can see Michael Lewis getting another book out of this.
 
crazyfingers said:
And hours after Trump tweeted his complaint, CDC says they will soften their guidelines on back to school.

Time to trust the CDC less.
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Huh? It's been a while now that it has been obvious the CDC is under His Flatulence's thumb and not to be trusted.
 
barbos said:
USA infections new record +61,848.
You must be tired of winning.
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Total US deaths now at about 120,000(*). About the same number as Japanese immediately killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

*cdc.gov as of 7/10/20
 
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BWE said:
Worldometers.info says closer to 140k dead.
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Yeah, there is lag with John Hopkins. There are places ordering freezer trucks for the dead. That is usually a bad sign. But for Trump lovin’ folk, it making America great again.
 
So what do you think the White House's plan to deal with Covid-19 expanding pandemic is now?

If you said anything that had to do with Covid-19, you would be wrong. The correct answer is attack Dr. Fauci.

article said:
Aides to Mr. Trump first released to The Washington Post what the paper called a “lengthy list” of remarks that Dr. Fauci had made about the virus when it was in its early stages. That list featured several comments from Dr. Fauci that White House aides had privately complained about for months, including one in February in which he minimized the chance of asymptomatic spread and said people did not need to make big changes to their lives.

An official told The Post that several other officials were concerned about how often Dr. Fauci had been wrong.
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Yup, that should quell it.
 
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