Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[Keith&Co.]

Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier

That's some bullshit right there.

not quite correct.

He's relieved because he didn't use a secret channel for communications. Weeks ago, thry put out that base and unit commanders had to coordinate their C-19 responses thru the White House, so as not to embarrass Bonespurs, perhaps by announcing facts not in accordance with His Holy Narrative.
This guy used more open comms, leading to the possible intel intercepts. Once again, more concern about the leak than the content.
So i believe it would be more accurate to characterize this decision as some major fucking bullshit, goddamned ratings-centered amateur fuckwits playing at running a military.

 

[ZiprHead]

Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier

That's some bullshit right there.

not quite correct.

He's relieved because he didn't use a secret channel for communications. Weeks ago, thry put out that base and unit commanders had to coordinate their C-19 responses thru the White House, so as not to embarrass Bonespurs, perhaps by announcing facts not in accordance with His Holy Narrative.
This guy used more open comms, leading to the possible intel intercepts. Once again, more concern about the leak than the content.
So i believe it would be more accurate to characterize this decision as some major fucking bullshit, goddamned ratings-centered amateur fuckwits playing at running a military.

"No one supports the military more than me."

Commander In Chief Bonespurs.

 

[Keith&Co.]

"No one supports the military more than me."

Commander In Chief Bonespurs.

Unless they're Muslims, or POWs, or dead, orvwasting his Wall money on their dependents...

 

[Half-Life]

Exactly what would you expect the Trump to do! A Moses like act of holding up his staff and parting the sea and stop COVID-19 in it's tracks? The Trumpet is doing exactly what most other world governments are doing and spending trillions of dollars to keep the country from complete collapse, similar as the Australian government is doing. Giving the most vulnerable people $750 payment to start with. A second stimulus payment later, Guaranteeing a $1500 payment per fortnight to small and medium companies for up to 2-3 million, perhaps more employees. Among a rush of other stimuli to try and salvage the economy. in Australia's case costing upwards of 380 billion AUD. for a total population of just under 25 million in comparison to 3+ trillion USD for 330 million Americans. The Trump has already announced much more, or whatever it takes to save America going down the gurgler. A semi senile Biden, or an outright loony Sanders lack the steel balls needed in this crisis in my opinion and the opinion of most Americans it seems by the Trump's latest approval rating.

We should have been rushing to build up testing capability, not throwing roadblocks in the way of developing it. Contact tracing up the wazoo, rather than the current situation where tests are being reserved for hospitals because there aren't enough to go around.

It's only been very recently that His Flatulence has started to take this at all seriously, despite the fact that the right wing knew it was going to be serious for much longer. It appears like a deliberate strategy to sacrifice granny for the economy and present it as a fait acompli.

Just because plenty of other world leaders took the same approach doesn't make it not vile.

President Trump warned America about the Coronavirus in early February, when much of the MSM was downplaying the virus. Today much of the MSM is falsely accusing President Trump of downplaying the virus in it’s early stages, in the hope that will prevent him from being re-elected. President Trump is 100 percent correct: the MSM is the enemy of the people.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hypocritical-media-downplays-wuhan-virus-for-weeks.html/

I love how the media downplayed the virus in the beginning, too. Then when we got more information, the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored their own downplaying of it, too.

Bunch of hypocrites. Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

 

[Keith&Co.]

I love how the media downplayed the virus in the beginning, too.

the media did not have access to tge same information Trump had. So their 'downplaying' was not as egregious.

Then when we got more information,

yeah. When we all knew what Trump had been told already

the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored theivr own downplaying of it, too.

The Media is not the nation's leader.
Trump signed up to be pur crisis manager.
Then he tried to ignore the crisis in favor of business.

Bunch of hypocrites.

yes. Bonespurs and co. Certainly are.

Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

Can you cite that article? Date? I do not feel confident tgat you are quoting them directly.

 

[Patooka]

I love how the media downplayed the virus in the beginning, too. Then when we got more information, the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored their own downplaying of it, too.

Bunch of hypocrites. Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

The media did not have access to the intelligence reports, NIEs, and daily briefing from the senate intelligence committee. Trump did and still downplayed it. Also, all those articles are opinion pieces, they aren't exactly news. And I suspect for every article on that collage, there are about fifty genuine news pieces in the same period warning about the dangers of coronavirus.

But the big issue is that Trump fucking lied about it. He had better information than anyone else and still decided to bullshit his way through, lying about how the virus will go away in April (which caused a lot of gullible fuckwits to spew the same bullshit narrative), he then lied about the availability of test kits, he then lied about how he ignored the advice of experts. He then lied about how he thought it was a pandemic earlier than anyone else. That is what most Americans disapprove about Trump. He is a clueless fucking moron with no idea what he is doing, so his first instinct is to lie to the people he is supposed to serve. The icing on the cake is that there are very intelligent smart people who had a comprehensive plan to address this pandemic - all Trump has to do was shut the fuck up and take a back seat and he would have received all the credit, but his fragile ego couldn't handle it.

 

[Half-Life]

the media did not have access to tge same information Trump had. So their 'downplaying' was not as egregious. yeah. When we all knew what Trump had been told already

the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored theivr own downplaying of it, too.

The Media is not the nation's leader.
Trump signed up to be pur crisis manager.
Then he tried to ignore the crisis in favor of business.

Bunch of hypocrites.

yes. Bonespurs and co. Certainly are.

Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

Can you cite that article? Date? I do not feel confident tgat you are quoting them directly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/china-travel-coronavirus.html

"Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?"

"The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn’t work anyway."

Good thing they weren't the White House Coronavirus task force.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Good thing they weren't the White House Coronavirus task force.

That's whst we have been saying, Halfie. They're not the ones charged with saving us from the virus.

Now, where in this article do they say 'The virus isn't serious'? I cannot find what you quoted.

Whapere does it say, exactly, that The Orange Shitgibbon is 'just racist'? I cannot find that quote, either.

 

[Half-Life]

Good thing they weren't the White House Coronavirus task force.

That's whst we have been saying, Halfie. They're not the ones charged with saving us from the virus.

Now, where in this article do they say 'The virus isn't serious'? I cannot find what you quoted.

Whapere does it say, exactly, that The Orange Shitgibbon is 'just racist'? I cannot find that quote, either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/trump-travel-ban-nigeria.html

The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’

Adding Nigeria to the expanded list of excluded countries just makes it more obvious.

 

[ZiprHead]

President Trump warned America about the Coronavirus in early February, when much of the MSM was downplaying the virus. Today much of the MSM is falsely accusing President Trump of downplaying the virus in it’s early stages, in the hope that will prevent him from being re-elected. President Trump is 100 percent correct: the MSM is the enemy of the people.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hypocritical-media-downplays-wuhan-virus-for-weeks.html/

I love how the media downplayed the virus in the beginning, too. Then when we got more information, the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored their own downplaying of it, too.

Bunch of hypocrites. Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

Trump said on Feb 10th "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”

On Feb 19th, he said “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.” and “We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered.”

On Feb 26th, he said “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

 

[Keith&Co.]

The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’

that's a different article.
Where are the words you pretended to quote found in THE ARTICLE you posted to support your claim about "that NY Times article"?

 

[Half-Life]

The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’

that's a different article.
Where are the words you pretended to quote found in THE ARTICLE you posted to support your claim about "that NY Times article"?

It's called context, Keith. They are claiming Trump is banning tose countries because he's racist, not because they have the virus.

 

[Half-Life]

President Trump warned America about the Coronavirus in early February, when much of the MSM was downplaying the virus. Today much of the MSM is falsely accusing President Trump of downplaying the virus in it’s early stages, in the hope that will prevent him from being re-elected. President Trump is 100 percent correct: the MSM is the enemy of the people.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hypocritical-media-downplays-wuhan-virus-for-weeks.html/

I love how the media downplayed the virus in the beginning, too. Then when we got more information, the media said, "Trump downplayed it since the beginning!" and they ignored their own downplaying of it, too.

Bunch of hypocrites. Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

Trump said on Feb 10th "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”

On Feb 19th, he said “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.” and “We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered.”

On Feb 26th, he said “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

He was trying to calm people down and make them feel safe.

If he went up there and said, "Boy this is terrible guys. We might all die. I would be very afraid," there would be panic, riots, looting in the streets.

Leaders must be calm and convincing. They can't get on the podium screaming about how everyone should be afraid and might die.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump said on Feb 10th "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”

On Feb 19th, he said “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.” and “We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered.”

On Feb 26th, he said “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

He was trying to calm people down and make them feel safe.

If he went up there and said, "Boy this is terrible guys. We might all die. I would be very afraid," there would be panic, riots, looting in the streets.

Leaders must be calm and convincing. They can't get on the podium screaming about how everyone should be afraid and might die.

Lying to people instead of instructing on how to actually be safe. How safe do you feel now?

 

[Half-Life]

Trump said on Feb 10th "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”

On Feb 19th, he said “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.” and “We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered.”

On Feb 26th, he said “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

He was trying to calm people down and make them feel safe.

If he went up there and said, "Boy this is terrible guys. We might all die. I would be very afraid," there would be panic, riots, looting in the streets.

Leaders must be calm and convincing. They can't get on the podium screaming about how everyone should be afraid and might die.

Lying to people instead of instructing on how to actually be safe. How safe do you feel now?

Very safe. My immune system is in great shape. I hardly ever get sick. It's been over 20 years since I had a fever.

 

[Patooka]

the media did not have access to tge same information Trump had. So their 'downplaying' was not as egregious. yeah. When we all knew what Trump had been told already The Media is not the nation's leader.
Trump signed up to be pur crisis manager.
Then he tried to ignore the crisis in favor of business. yes. Bonespurs and co. Certainly are.

Especially that NY Times article about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!"

Can you cite that article? Date? I do not feel confident tgat you are quoting them directly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/china-travel-coronavirus.html

"Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?"

"The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn’t work anyway."

Good thing they weren't the White House Coronavirus task force.

I read the entire article. For instance, the first word of the article is "opinion". So first impression is that the NY Times is providing different points of view to a current event. Secondly, at no point in the article was there the phrase "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!". Nowhere. Of course if we don't twist the article's point your narrative doesn't really hold up now, does it?

Let's see what the opinion piece is asserting:

1)Trump's travel ban on China will be largely ineffective.

Well, I think it's fair to say that is pretty self evident, but the author doesn't have the gift of foresight, so what did they base their assertions on? Why, they cited it. Without prompting. And then went to add what a more productive approach would look like. Seems pretty legit, an assertion backed up by facts from the World Health Organisation. What's your problem with it?

2)The way Countries determine travel bans is extremely subjective
What does the article say:

But what has motivated the response from governments? It doesn’t appear to be evidence. Measures like screening at airports, quarantining cruise ships or flights with confirmed cases and isolating communities at the center of an outbreak can be effective, said Erin Sorrell, an assistant research professor at Georgetown University who studies emerging infectious diseases. However, she and other experts say the available evidence suggests that total border shutdowns are not an effective means of containment of respiratory viruses. Resources are better used, she argued, treating sick patients and developing vaccines and other countermeasures.

.

Put forth an argument than cites respectable sources on how it reached its conclusion. Still legit. What's your problem with it?

3)This type of policy has a tendency to aggravate racism and bigotry.

Yep, cites sources to back this up here, here and here

So basically, your assertion that this article is about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!" only hold water if you don't read the fucking thing.. And it doesn't alter the fact that Trump still had a far greater access to information and resources and still shat the bed on this issue. He shouldn't be allowed to be off the hook even if the media did a poor job reporting it (which is highly debatable).

 

[Keith&Co.]

The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’

that's a different article.
Where are the words you pretended to quote found in THE ARTICLE you posted to support your claim about "that NY Times article"?

It's called context, Keith.

They're called quote marks, Halfie.
Not context marks.

They are claiming Trump is banning tose countries because he's racist, not because they have the virus.

No, they definitely are not making that claim. See, i saw where the articke says (quoting, here) "Valid arguments may exist for shutting down the world to travelers originating in China — and shutting down China to the world — as a reasonable public health response." (End of quotes)

So, they are not saying the virus is not serious. And they never said Trump is racist. You just made that up, and when called on that mistruth, claim this message is still in the article. Thst's just more lying, Halfie.

 

[lpetrich]

Peter Morley on Twitter: "Trump: "Witch hunt after witch hunt after witch hunt, everyone knows it's ridiculous"
EXCUSE ME? EMTs in NYC have stopped taking people in cardiac arrest to the hospital.
Trump, YOU golfed, called it a HOAX. YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. YOU ARE A MONSTER!
#StopAiringTrump https://t.co/VqpgZq0CTl" / Twitter

What a big baby.

Coronavirus: Trump said he'd force GM to build ventilators. He hasn't

Prince Jared the Bullshitter:

Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "Here's Jared Kushner going for the world record of most meaningless corporate buzzwords used in a single one-minute video clip https://t.co/Vy1QJEhLQa" / Twitter
then
Tiffany Bond (I) on Twitter: "I would fire any employee that delivered meaningless drivel like this, even if they were family working for "free".
...especially if they were family working for free.
Nevermind, nepotism is bad. Don't "hire" unqualified family for non-jobs. https://t.co/8n8NxNaH41" / Twitter

The Hill on Twitter: "Jared Kushner: "The President also wanted us to make sure that we think outside the box, make sure we're finding all the best thinkers in the country, making sure we're getting all the best ideas." https://t.co/k7tj3ziaI4" / Twitter

Yamiche Alcindor on Twitter: "Jared Kushner says some governors don't know how many ventilators they have & coronavirus outbreak is revealing manager skills.
"What a lot of the voters are seeing now is that when you elect somebody...think about who will be a competent manager during the time of crisis."" / Twitter
then
Tommy Vietor on Twitter: "Jared Kushner running a global pandemic response is the best argument imaginable for strong anti-nepotism laws. https://t.co/xfr1rI4OJY" / Twitter

 

[Half-Life]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/china-travel-coronavirus.html

"Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?"

"The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn’t work anyway."

Good thing they weren't the White House Coronavirus task force.

I read the entire article. For instance, the first word of the article is "opinion". So first impression is that the NY Times is providing different points of view to a current event. Secondly, at no point in the article was there the phrase "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!". Nowhere. Of course if we don't twist the article's point your narrative doesn't really hold up now, does it?

Let's see what the opinion piece is asserting:

1)Trump's travel ban on China will be largely ineffective.

Well, I think it's fair to say that is pretty self evident, but the author doesn't have the gift of foresight, so what did they base their assertions on? Why, they cited it. Without prompting. And then went to add what a more productive approach would look like. Seems pretty legit, an assertion backed up by facts from the World Health Organisation. What's your problem with it?

2)The way Countries determine travel bans is extremely subjective
What does the article say:

But what has motivated the response from governments? It doesn’t appear to be evidence. Measures like screening at airports, quarantining cruise ships or flights with confirmed cases and isolating communities at the center of an outbreak can be effective, said Erin Sorrell, an assistant research professor at Georgetown University who studies emerging infectious diseases. However, she and other experts say the available evidence suggests that total border shutdowns are not an effective means of containment of respiratory viruses. Resources are better used, she argued, treating sick patients and developing vaccines and other countermeasures.

.

Put forth an argument than cites respectable sources on how it reached its conclusion. Still legit. What's your problem with it?

3)This type of policy has a tendency to aggravate racism and bigotry.

Yep, cites sources to back this up here, here and here

So basically, your assertion that this article is about how "Trump is banning travel to and from China! Why? This virus isn't serious! He's just racist!" only hold water if you don't read the fucking thing.. And it doesn't alter the fact that Trump still had a far greater access to information and resources and still shat the bed on this issue. He shouldn't be allowed to be off the hook even if the media did a poor job reporting it (which is highly debatable).

So what you are basically saying is that the Democratic governors of NY and NJ who are trying to not allow residents to leave those states, do not actually understand that it would be a meaningless effort?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Leaders must be calm and convincing.

but the secret to being convincing is NOT TO BE CAUGHT LYING. Vvespecially not within DAYS.
How convincing will he be next time he downplays a crisis?