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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

Putting Jared Kushner In Charge Is Utter Madness
Trump’s son-in-law has no business running the coronavirus response.

Reporting on the White House’s herky-jerky coronavirus response, Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman has a quotation from Jared Kushner that should make all Americans, and particularly all New Yorkers, dizzy with terror.

According to Sherman, when New York’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, said that the state would need 30,000 ventilators at the apex of the coronavirus outbreak, Kushner decided that Cuomo was being alarmist. “I have all this data about I.C.U. capacity,” Kushner reportedly said. “I’m doing my own projections, and I’ve gotten a lot smarter about this. New York doesn’t need all the ventilators.” (Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country’s top expert on infectious diseases, has said he trusts Cuomo’s estimate.)

Even now, it’s hard to believe that someone with as little expertise as Kushner could be so arrogant, but he said something similar on Thursday, when he made his debut at the White House’s daily coronavirus briefing: “People who have requests for different products and supplies, a lot of them are doing it based on projections which are not the realistic projections.”
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ZiprHead said:
The ship captain that lost his job due to the virus running rampant on his ship and no help from the administration left the boat to cheers of seaman and soldiers.

I wonder how this will affect support for Bonespurs amongst the military.
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This guy was trusted by the US Navy to run an aircraft carrier. So clearly he has the chops.

So when he does something that he knows will likely end his not dead end career, one must wonder how poorly the upper brass was reacting to the situation on his ship.
 
angelo said:
KeepTalking said:
angelo said:
President Trump warned America about the Coronavirus in early February
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I am gonna go ahead and stop you right there, and show how wrong this statement is, by providing direct quotes from our President* during the month of February:

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though."
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.”
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: “CDC & my administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
Feb. 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”
Feb. 29: “Everything is really under control.”
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Perhaps a little fact check is warranted here? ......................................................https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/bidens-false-claim-on-trumps-response-to-coronavirus/
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From that link:
Trump administration did indeed eliminate a key position that would have been involved in pandemic response.

The Washington Post reported that former National Security Adviser John Bolton dissolved the NSC’s Office of Global Health Security and Biodefense in May 2018 in a reorganization effort. That’s when Rear Adm. R. Timothy Ziemer, who was senior director of the office, left his post. He was not replaced.
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So, they note that Biden "could have been more precise". Maybe you think Trump couldn't ever have "been more precise" so criticizing Biden for that is meaningful in some way.
But none of the FACTS on that list are contested by your "fact check" Angelo. Maybe you should check your fact checks before pretending that they contradict what you imply they are contradicting.
 
Is it me or is the increase of Covid-19 cases logarithmic slope has shallowed, but it is still increasing. We went from magnitude increases over a period of 8 days, and now it is slowing up the increase, but it is merely slowing, implying the peak might be a ways off still.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Is it me or is the increase of Covid-19 cases logarithmic slope has shallowed, but it is still increasing. We went from magnitude increases over a period of 8 days, and now it is slowing up the increase, but it is merely slowing, implying the peak might be a ways off still.
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The latter. The effects of social distancing, stay at home orders etc are starting to show. That will lower the peak of the curve (keeping health care systems closer to functional) and also push it further into the future (extending the economic disaster).
Buckle up buttercup, it's going to be a long hard ride.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "COVID deaths are disproportionately spiking in Black + Brown communities.
Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, etc. ARE underlying health conditions.
Inequality is a comorbidity. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations." / Twitter
then
Julian Brave NoiseCat on Twitter: "Black, Brown and Indigenous. The Navajo Nation had 214 confirmed cases and seven deaths as of yesterday.
Some don’t even have running water to wash their hands.
Let that sink in. https://t.co/pVcbPw9bQc" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "By almost every measure, our Queens community is the hardest hit in the country by COVID.
I am heartbroken to share that Priscilla Carrow, a giant & compassionate leader who served as an Elmhurst hospital worker, Community Board 4 member, CWA local 1180 member, has passed. https://t.co/KDjiIfQjYM" / Twitter


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The $500 billion➡️$4 trillion slush fund for Wall Street was almost immediately available, very liquid, and practically comes with concierge service from Treasury.
The $350b for small biz is slower, w/ more strings, & less liquid.
Ease of capital is a baked-in inequality, too. https://t.co/mLyHNLAX5Y" / Twitter
noting
Michael Grunwald on Twitter: "My wife spent the morning trying to apply for the small business thing and ohhhhh this is gonna be a cluster." / Twitter

So it'll be much easier for big businesses to get their bailout funds than small businesses.

Responding to one of AOC's tweets,
Laura Ingraham on Twitter: "The Doctor of Mixology will save us! https://t.co/I6mH9tGyFj" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Didn’t you just put a doctor on your show who faked their employment at Lenox Hill hospital and touted a COVID “treatment” that you tweeted & Twitter had to remove because a man may have died trying self-administer it?
I’m sorry, why are you on TV again? https://t.co/Lfc6RvtBDS" / Twitter
then
Twitter Deletes Fox News Star Laura Ingraham’s ‘Misleading’ Post Touting Coronavirus Cure - "The Fox News host boosted the claim of a “Lazarus”-like patient resurrection from a doctor whom she repeatedly misrepresented as working at an NYC hospital."
Twitter on Monday morning deleted Fox News host Laura Ingraham’s viral tweet posted earlier this month touting the drug hydroxychloroquine as having been used by one New York hospital with “very promising results” and claiming that one “seriously ill” patient had a Lazarus-like recovery from the coronavirus thanks to it.
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CDC warns against using form of chloroquine that killed man, sickened his wife - "An Arizona couple, both in their 60s, became deathly ill after they ingested fish food that contained chloroquine phosphate."
 
Veterans Denounce 'Unforgivable' Decision to Remove U.S. Navy Captain Brett Crozier, Who Asked for Help With Ship's COVID-19 Outbreak
Thomas Modly, the acting secretary of the Navy, accused Capt. Brett Crozier of having "poor judgment" for using a "non-secure, unclassified" email address to write an email to his immediate chain of command which also included "20 or 30" additional recipients.

Crozier's letter, which was then leaked and published by the San Francisco Chronicle, asked officials for help in isolating more than 4,000 sailors onboard the aircraft carrier docked in Guam, after a COVID-19 outbreak was detected among its crew. A day after the letter was published, around 1,000 sailors were removed from the Theodore Roosevelt. A total of 114 crew have since tested positive for COVID-19.
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Russell Drew on Twitter: "@girlsreallyrule Captain Crozier is the kind of patriot that Trumpers pretend to be but really aren't
By calling out the government's malfeasance, he was trying to save lives.
The administration retaliated.
This is a good reminder that the Trump family business isn't real estate—it's revenge. https://t.co/mtIiMZxh4K" / Twitter

Amee Vanderpool on Twitter: "Here is Captain Crozier walking away from his ship while sailors chant his name after he was relieved from duty for blowing the whistle on a coronavirus contamination aboard the USS Roosevelt.
He sacrificed himself and it sounds like everyone knows it. https://t.co/hwiu7Z1MVV" / Twitter
then
Rep. Ro Khanna on Twitter: "Thank you for your heroism, Captain Crozier. History is going to remember you as one of the leaders in this crisis. https://t.co/b26fJbSBqI" / Twitter

Eva Putzova 🏜️ on Twitter: "DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
And you know that Medicare for All opponents will say that this isn't the time for politics.
That's BS.
This is exactly the time for politics.
Our government's flawed response is a reminder that who we elect can have deadly consequences. https://t.co/IvqZPnFoJe" / Twitter
 
Raw Story on Twitter: "Florida Republicans ignite fury by admitting they purposefully mangled state unemployment system https://t.co/2eZJz8swFj" / Twitter
noting
‘Monsters!’ Florida Republicans ignite fury by admitting they purposefully mangled state unemployment system – Raw Story
Republicans admitted Florida’s unemployment system was “designed to fail” — and then whined about their election chances now that the system was overwhelmed by thousands of suddenly jobless people.

The U.S. economy collapsed under the weight of the coronavirus outbreak that’s nowhere near abating, and Florida Republicans are forming a circular firing squad now that unemployed workers are finding the “Connect” system was purposefully designed to discourage new claims to keep jobless numbers down.
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Also
‘It's a sh-- sandwich': Republicans rage as Florida becomes a nightmare for Trump

‘This is horrible’: Florida Republicans furious after unemployment system they mangled puts Trump’s re-election in jeopardy – Raw Story


Danny Ocean on Twitter: "The send off for Captain Brett Crozier who was relieved from duty for TRYING TO SAVE THE LIVES OF HIS CREW https://t.co/EEDG1U3rYE" / Twitter
 
Jeffrey Stein on Twitter: "30 million Americans could lose their private health insurance over the next few months, per new HMA report" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "We need to drop the Medicare eligibility age to 0 right now. https://t.co/BJtm2k7aCY" / Twitter

Or at least have a "public option".

Laurence Tribe on Twitter: "Unacceptable. Criminal. Disgraceful. Anticonstitutional. Otherwise just fine. https://t.co/jm0jXK91L1" / Twitter
noting
Citizens for Ethics on Twitter: "Massachusetts only received 17% of aid requested and Maine 5%, while Florida will receive its 3rd shipment of 100% of aid requested. We’re investigating if the Strategic National Stockpile is distributing aid based on Trump’s personal preferences. https://t.co/OQEsNWrzex" / Twitter
noting
CREW Requests Records on Strategic National Stockpile Coronavirus Response - CREW
As the pandemic has grown, the Strategic National Stockpile has received an overwhelming number of requests for supplies, and the disparity in response to different states has been suspect at best. For example, Michigan—whose governor has been outspoken in her criticism of the federal response—has received far less from the stockpile than the state needs to combat the coronavirus, while Florida—whose governor has been praised by the president—received everything it requested. Additionally, HHS Secretary Azar reportedly anticipated the need before the coronavirus had spread to the U.S. and sought $2 billion to buy emergency medical equipment—a request OMB cut to $500 million in a supplemental budget request it sent to Congress.
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Colorado wants people to wear masks now outside. Can someone explain how a non-disposable clothe mask is a good idea? Aersols are what, 5 microns? Cotton mesh is what, 25 to 50 microns? Does electrostatic stuff help here? Granted, water isn't exactly electrostatic. Are we trying to stop metal bb's using a football helmet? Meanwhile, you are using your disease covered hands to put on and take off your mask.

Can someone explain to me how I'm wrong, please.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Colorado wants people to wear masks now outside. Can someone explain how a non-disposable clothe mask is a good idea? Aersols are what, 5 microns? Cotton mesh is what, 25 to 50 microns? Does electrostatic stuff help here? Granted, water isn't exactly electrostatic. Are we trying to stop metal bb's using a football helmet? Meanwhile, you are using your disease covered hands to put on and take off your mask.

Can someone explain to me how I'm wrong, please.
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They are useful where the possibility exists that there are asymptomatic carriers. Most transmissions are not aerosols but by droplets, many or most of which will be trapped by the cloth mask on exhalation by the carrier, and may also help protect a wearer from inhaling some of it. At least that's the official line being disseminated by colorado.gov.
" If you are wearing a mask, you may be preventing yourself from spreading it, even if you don't know you have it,” Polis said."
 
Half-Life said:
He was trying to calm people down and make them feel safe.

If he went up there and said, "Boy this is terrible guys. We might all die. I would be very afraid," there would be panic, riots, looting in the streets.

Leaders must be calm and convincing. They can't get on the podium screaming about how everyone should be afraid and might die.
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Calm and convincing doesn't mean they should lie about the danger. Tell people the best way to be safe--and that's not what he did.
 
angelo said:
KeepTalking said:
angelo said:
President Trump warned America about the Coronavirus in early February
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I am gonna go ahead and stop you right there, and show how wrong this statement is, by providing direct quotes from our President* during the month of February:

Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though."
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.”
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: “CDC & my administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
Feb. 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”
Feb. 29: “Everything is really under control.”
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Perhaps a little fact check is warranted here? ......................................................https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/bidens-false-claim-on-trumps-response-to-coronavirus/
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Perhaps a little aiming is warranted here? He's not presenting anything by Biden, thus whether Biden got things right or not is irrelevant.
 
angelo said:
Hopefully this isn't another hoax.....................................https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-works.html/

“This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus (VIDEO)
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Hopefully you're not actually stuck in a time machine.

We have one French "study" that suggests they help--done by a doctor with a reputation for shoddy science and which is seriously flawed. It's sufficiently questionable that there was considerable debate as to whether it should even be included in the studies of various therapies. (It ended up making the cut but just barely.)

Chloroquine has been tested against several diseases in the past, it has always failed. Yes, it might "work" in the lab--but not in the real world because of the required dose. Chloroquine is a problematic drug because it has a very narrow therapeutic range. Various bits of digging have turned up 2x to 4x range between the normal therapeutic dose against malaria vs the lethal dose. (LD50 information is generally spotty as it is obtained from suicides and accidents, not proper studies.)
 
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