Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[Patooka]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

I'm going to ask you something, and I would really like you to answer.

How many times do you need to be told that no one is blaming Trump for the entire pandemic, but are holding him accountable for his actions throughout the entire crisis?

 

[Patooka]

Also, here is a memo calling for aggressive containment written to Trump in January:

How can I get in contact with FOX News so I can get paid?

 

[Jayjay]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

Peter Navarro?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/donald-trump-coronavirus-memos-warning-peter-navarro

Oh wait, that was in January.

 

[Half-Life]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

Peter Navarro?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/donald-trump-coronavirus-memos-warning-peter-navarro

Oh wait, that was in January.

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

 

[ZiprHead]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

Peter Navarro?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/donald-trump-coronavirus-memos-warning-peter-navarro

Oh wait, that was in January.

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

Was he saying that from his own perspective or was he ordered to say that by Bonespurs?

 

[James Brown]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

Find anyone here saying 'this is all Trump's fault,' halfie?

Because they say he should've acted sooner instead of playing golf. I believe Ziprhead posted a whole picture of Trump going golfing with a timeline.

But at that time, no expert was saying we should shutdown.

The golf timeline (along with the political rally timeline) is to counter the Fox News talking point (first floated just a couple of weeks ago?) that the Trump Administration was just so gosh darn busy dealing with the Impeachment Process that they just didn't have the man-hours to properly deal with the COVID-19 situation.

Not too busy to go golfing and hold political rallies, but still. There are only so many hours in a day.

South Korea scrambled to develop a reliable COVID-19 test in mid-January, sharing the results with pharmaceutical companies. As a result they've managed to flatten their curve without the strict lockdown procedures the US has had to deploy. In Hong Kong, the city's health department alerted doctors--on December 31--to be on the lookout for patients suffering from flu-like symptoms who just came back from Wuhan.

Donald Trump could have done something similar. We were receiving the same news about this as the Asian countries which have suffered far less. Early detection and prevention are effective actions against a pandemic--provided they are enacted quickly enough. But all of March, Donald Trump was telling us it's just the flu, it's no big deal, it will all fade away like a miracle. It was only after a critical point that a shutdown became necessary as a measure of last resort.

 

[Horatio Parker]

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

Was he saying that from his own perspective or was he ordered to say that by Bonespurs?

Don't accept a wingers version without checking.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dr-fauci-was-correct-more-importantly-he-was-humble

In certain political circles, it has apparently become important to knock Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

One prominent article at RealClearPolitics argues that in January, Fauci told the public not to worry about the novel coronavirus and that “the administration’s initial reassurances were largely aligned with the assessments of the medical community,” specifically Fauci.

This is not true, and the contention rests on misrepresenting Fauci’s comments.

 

[Keith&Co.]

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

But he WAS already saying to follow CDC advice, right? So, maybe back then the good Doctor thought Trump was actually going to listen yo experts.
Maybe Trump was NOT getting conflicting advice, just ignoring anything that might be costly.

 

[Half-Life]

Don't accept a wingers version without checking.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dr-fauci-was-correct-more-importantly-he-was-humble

In certain political circles, it has apparently become important to knock Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

One prominent article at RealClearPolitics argues that in January, Fauci told the public not to worry about the novel coronavirus and that “the administration’s initial reassurances were largely aligned with the assessments of the medical community,” specifically Fauci.

This is not true, and the contention rests on misrepresenting Fauci’s comments.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqg2kQDlPKw[/YOUTUBE]

Nope, there's his own words. Nothing to worry about.

But, Trump should've known more than Fauci??

 

[Half-Life]

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

But he WAS already saying to follow CDC advice, right? So, maybe back then the good Doctor thought Trump was actually going to listen yo experts.
Maybe Trump was NOT getting conflicting advice, just ignoring anything that might be costly.

These experts are all over the place. First it was no big deal. Now it is. First, masks are useless to wear. Now, everyone shoud wear masks!

These "experts" sure do change their minds a lot.

 

[Keith&Co.]

These experts are all over the place. First it was no big deal. Now it is. First, masks are useless to wear. Now, everyone shoud wear masks!

These "experts" sure do change their minds a lot.

You're the one who insisted that downplaying the threat was in the nation's interest. NOW you're bitching about inconsistent messages.
Make up your mind.

And we still don't know exactly what the experts were advising FFvC to do, as apart from TV appearances.

 

[bilby]

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

But he WAS already saying to follow CDC advice, right? So, maybe back then the good Doctor thought Trump was actually going to listen yo experts.
Maybe Trump was NOT getting conflicting advice, just ignoring anything that might be costly.

These experts are all over the place. First it was no big deal. Now it is. First, masks are useless to wear. Now, everyone shoud wear masks!

These "experts" sure do change their minds a lot.

That's characteristic of people who don't want to remain wrong forever.

The chief difference between smart people and stupid people is the smart people change their opinions when they encounter new evidence.

While stupid people insist that changes of opinion are an indication that someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Then there are stupid devious people -- the ones who blatantly try to cover their own tracks and blame their horrendous stupidity on the WHO and the Obama administration.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don’t Like What They’re Hearing. - The New York Times

In his daily briefings on the coronavirus, President Trump has brandished all the familiar tools in his rhetorical arsenal: belittling Democratic governors, demonizing the media, trading in innuendo and bulldozing over the guidance of experts.

It’s the kind of performance the president relishes, but one that has his advisers and Republican allies worried.

As unemployment soars and the death toll skyrockets, and new polls show support for the president’s handling of the crisis sagging, White House allies and Republican lawmakers increasingly believe the briefings are hurting the president more than helping him.

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With only intermittent attempts to adapt to a moment of crisis, Mr. Trump is effectively wagering that he can win re-election in the midst of a national emergency on a platform of polarization.

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Public polls show he badly trails the nation’s governors and his own medical experts in terms of whom Americans trust most for guidance.

“I told him your opponent is no longer Joe Biden — it’s this virus,” Mr. Graham said.

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And it’s not just an overwhelming majority of voters who believe the medical experts should be center stage: Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, personally urged Mr. Trump at the start of the crisis to let Drs. Fauci and Birx be the face of the response, according to a Republican official familiar with their conversation.

I'm not going to waste any sympathy on Trump. He needs to learn what it is like to suffer a crushing defeat.

 

[Patooka]

Fox News issued a challenge today to anyone who says that this is all Trump's fault.

They said, "Find me one expert back in February who was calling for a national shutdown. You won't find one."

Peter Navarro?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/donald-trump-coronavirus-memos-warning-peter-navarro

Oh wait, that was in January.

But in January Dr. Fauci was saying that the American people have nothing to worry about. So, Trump was getting conflicting information from the experts.

"This is not a major threat for the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about," Fauci said.

https://disrn.com/news/fauci-on-jan...ething-citizens-of-us-should-be-worried-about

One expert. You said one expert.

And only an ignorant moron would be expecting a unanimous consensus on something like risk management during a pandemic.

 

[lpetrich]

Fox's Hume slams Trump for 'ridiculous tweet': 'Bragging, endlessly repeating himself' | TheHill - "Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume slammed President Trump for a Thursday tweet boasting about the ratings of White House coronavirus task force briefings"
noting
Brit Hume on Twitter: "This is a ridiculous tweet. He could get his views across without bragging, endlessly repeating himself, and getting into petty squabbles with the junior varsity players in the WH press corps. And he could stop talking much sooner to give Pence, Fauci, Birx and Giroir more time. https://t.co/ui7sN3WgGx" / Twitter
noting
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "The Wall Street Journal always “forgets” to mention that the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are “through the roof” (Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale, according to @nytimes) & is only way for me to escape the Fake News & get my views across. WSJ is Fake News!" / Twitter


Kamala Harris on Twitter: "Earlier today, I called for an immediate suspension of credit card interest, fees, and penalties. No one should profit off of people who are hurting right now. https://t.co/oqwp8bL61H" / Twitter

Lack of coronavirus testing may blunt Trump's planned economic revival - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump says America does not need and will never have mass coronavirus testing, despite warnings by experts that a comprehensive program is vital to getting life back to normal.

...
But the continued lack of a robust testing program, despite weeks of claims by Trump that the problem is fixed, is raising stark new questions about the White House's management of the situation. After being slow to recognize the extent of the pandemic, the testing shortfall means the administration is yet to prove it is capable of charting an effective path out of the crisis.

Trump says more than 2 million coronavirus tests have been done in the US, and claims mass testing not needed - CNNPolitics

The President has been celebrating the growing number of coronavirus tests conducted in the US as a victory since the US surpassed South Korea last month as the country with the highest number of tests administered. However, compared to South Korea, the US has conducted far fewer tests per capita given the US population is more than six times larger than South Korea's.
Epidemiologists generally use rates like tests per capita when comparing different countries.

"I think the important clarification is that we should be considering the number of cases per 1 million population and considering a rate of people tested and not the absolute numbers," said Jennifer Horney, founding director of the University of Delaware's epidemiology program. "The absolute number of tests is not very meaningful."

Trump is unfit for office. If I could invoke the 25th Amendment on him, I would.

 

[lpetrich]

As Low-Income Communities Struggle, Harris Pushes for Recurring Monthly Payments | U.S. Senator Kamala Harris of California
noting
Recurring Direct Payments Letter__4.20.pdf

Dear Speaker Pelosi, Leader McCarthy, Leader McConnell, and Leader Schumer,

We write to ask that you center those most affected by the COVID-19 pandemic by prioritizing recurring direct cash assistance to all as part of a fourth coronavirus response bill. Providing recurring monthly payments is the most efficient mechanism for delivering economic relief to those most at-risk in this crisis, particularly low-income communities, gig and service workers, and our immigrant neighbors. The inclusion of direct assistance in the CARES Act was an important first step, but we must provide workers and families with relief that actually matches the need and scale of this economic and health crisis.

It was signed by 58 Representatives and 3 Senators (KH, Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey), all Democrats.

In effect, a Universal Basic Income. AOC, for instance, had earlier been diffident about UBI, but now she's supporting it.

 

[angelo]

Just as we have in Australia. But the NSW government agencies still f......d up badly and let infected passengers off a cruise ship disembark and infect hundreds of people. The police has now launched an inquiry and charges may be laid.

Australia: 2 deaths per million if the population, only 1 in the last 24 hours, cases growing at around 1% per day. Active cases significantly declining.

USA: 45 deaths per million, deaths growing at around 15% and cases at around 8% per day, so it looks like there is a lot to come yet.

Agreed. But some states, like Perth WA have very lax rules as compared to say NSW and Victoria where their state governments have closed all the beaches while ours are relying on peoples good will on a scorching hot 35-6C day and left all the beaches open. As of 8 am this morning, my friend who has an apartment right on the beach side overlooking Scarborough, one of Perth's most popular beaches, was amazed at the hundreds of surfers invading the beach. Social distancing? What social distancing?

 

[Jokodo]

Just as we have in Australia. But the NSW government agencies still f......d up badly and let infected passengers off a cruise ship disembark and infect hundreds of people. The police has now launched an inquiry and charges may be laid.

Australia: 2 deaths per million if the population, only 1 in the last 24 hours, cases growing at around 1% per day. Active cases significantly declining.

USA: 45 deaths per million, deaths growing at around 15% and cases at around 8% per day, so it looks like there is a lot to come yet.

Agreed. But some states, like Perth WA have very lax rules as compared to say NSW and Victoria where their state governments have closed all the beaches while ours are relying on peoples good will on a scorching hot 35-6C day and left all the beaches open. As of 8 am this morning, my friend who has an apartment right on the beach side overlooking Scarborough, one of Perth's most popular beaches, was amazed at the hundreds of surfers invading the beach. Social distancing? What social distancing?

This thread is about the Trump admin's response the the COVID-19 threat. Unless you believe that Australia's response is "just as bad!!11!!!", your bringing it up is a derail.

The numbers show it isn't "just as bad", or anywhere near.

 

[angelo]

Agreed. But some states, like Perth WA have very lax rules as compared to say NSW and Victoria where their state governments have closed all the beaches while ours are relying on peoples good will on a scorching hot 35-6C day and left all the beaches open. As of 8 am this morning, my friend who has an apartment right on the beach side overlooking Scarborough, one of Perth's most popular beaches, was amazed at the hundreds of surfers invading the beach. Social distancing? What social distancing?

This thread is about the Trump admin's response the the COVID-19 threat. Unless you believe that Australia's response is "just as bad!!11!!!", your bringing it up is a derail.

The numbers show it isn't "just as bad", or anywhere near.

Trump's response was better than most of the media gives him credit for. He shut down Chinese entry into America while they were whining about it being racist and xenophobe a full week after in fact the borders were shut.

Please note the date on this........................................https://www.voanews.com/science-hea...ump-us-has-shut-down-coronavirus-coming-china


Starting Sunday, U.S. citizens who have traveled to China in the last 14 days will be flown to one of eight U.S. airports for extra screening. U.S. citizens who have been in Hubei province, where the outbreak began, will undergo a mandatory 14-day quarantine. Experts say the incubation period for the coronavirus is 14 days.

Most non-U.S. Citizens who have traveled to China within the last two weeks will not be allowed to enter the U.S., except for immediate family members of U.S. citizens, permanent residents and flight crews