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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/science/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage


resident Trump has long pinned his hopes on the powers of sunlight to defeat the Covid-19 virus. On Thursday, he returned to that theme at the daily White House coronavirus briefing, bringing in a top administration scientist to back up his assertions and eagerly theorizing — dangerously, in the view of some experts — about the powers of sunlight, ultraviolet light and household disinfectants to kill the coronavirus.
After the scientist, William N. Bryan, the head of science at the Department of Homeland Security, told the briefing that the government had tested how sunlight and disinfectants — including bleach and alcohol — can kill the coronavirus on surfaces in as little as 30 seconds, an excited Mr. Trump returned to the lectern.
“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light,” Mr. Trump said. “And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but we’re going to test it?” he added, turning to Mr. Bryan, who had returned to his seat. “And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way.”
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And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning?” he asked. “Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”
Experts have long warned that ultraviolet lamps can harm humans if used improperly — when the exposure is outside the body, much less inside. But bottles of bleach and other disinfectants carry sharp warnings of ingestion dangers. The disinfectants can kill not only microbes but humans.
Yet despite a lack of scientific evidence, i
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If it weren't so dangerous, this would be hilarious. There are still days when I read this stuff and continue to wonder how in the world did this man become president of the US!
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So, some of the MAGA crowd will get Darwin awards. No great loss.
 
Quack-in-Chief Sees Injected Bleach, Tanning as Covid Cures
Dr. Deborah Birx tried hard not to betray her feelings, looking down and away from the president, when Donald Trump suggested, during a coronavirus briefing on Thursday, that doctors should “check” to see if injecting patients suffering from Covid-19 with bleach or isopropyl alcohol, or exposing them to ultraviolet light, might cure them.

The agony of Doctor Birx, a former Army colonel who serves as the White House coronavirus task force coordinator and often seems at pains not to correct the commander-in-chief, was captured on camera as she sat offstage listening to the president.
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Daniel Lewis on Twitter: "Here is Dr. Birx's reaction when President Trump asks his science advisor to study using UV light on the human body and injecting disinfectant to fight the coronavirus. https://t.co/MVno5X7JMA" / Twitter

That is so vile.

Donald Trump's prescription for coronavirus: quite literally toxic | Marina Hyde | Opinion | The Guardian
Interesting developments in America’s elect-your-id experiment, as the shining city upon a hill runs up against that age-old political question: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Which is Latin for “who lung-bleaches the lung bleachers?”

The inquiry arises after Thursday’s White House press conference, which saw Donald Trump offer his latest symposium on how to kill a country. “I see the disinfectant where it knocks [the virus] out in a minute,” he gibbered, live on national television. “One minute! And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? … So it’d be interesting to check that.”
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Elect your id? In Freudian psychology, that is low-level impulses. Which goes to show that Trump is VERY low on the Big Five trait of conscientiousness - he is very impulsive.
 
Trump is not a doctor. He’s a self-help quack who plays one on TV. - The Washington Post
President Trump is an expert. I know, because President Trump told me so. He’s a “professional at technology,” he assured us last year. He has claimed to “know more about renewables than any human being on earth,” and he has boasted of his first-rate abilities in subjects ranging from taxes to trade to construction to debt. (I might actually believe that last one.)

And it’s the same when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic. Trump’s qualifications? Well, his uncle John was a nuclear scientist who taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for many years, and that’s more than enough. “I like this stuff, I really get it,” he said in March. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ ”
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Trump claims comment about injecting disinfectants to kill coronavirus was ‘sarcastic’ - The Washington Post
“I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute,” Trump said during Thursday’s coronavirus press briefing. “And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets inside the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

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When asked Friday during a bill signing in the Oval Office to expand upon this, Trump said it was not intended as a serious suggestion.

“I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen,” Trump said.

There was no indication when he made the initial remarks that they were not a real recommendation.
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So he now claims that he was trolling the news media?

Sick.
 
The clip shows otherwise. Not a hint of put-on in his delivery. No porpoise grin. Waved his hands as he does when he thinks he's being analytical. Trump supporters: if your hero can walk back this disinfectant nonsense by saying he was joking...how can you trust anything -- no, skip it, I'm rescinding the question. Hopeless. I was just being sarcastic.
 
When I first saw that, I thought "There is a reason that bottles of this stuff have warning labels on them."

USS Kidd: Second US Navy warship hit by major coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics - the USS Kidd joins the USS Theodore Roosevelt and the Diamond Princess in being COVID-19 plague ships.

As protesters swarm state capitols, much of the coronavirus backlash is coming from within - The Washington Post
But some of the biggest cheerleaders for an end to the mandatory social distancing that experts say is necessary to bend the novel coronavirus curve are lawmakers working from within. Taking cues from President Trump, they are using their platforms to encourage citizens to “liberate” their states from restrictions that have caused widespread economic misery.
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Astroturfing. It figures. Right-wingers are often very obedient to their oligarch masters. Many of them are obsessed with George Soros's supposed villainy, and that seems like projection to me.

The Bronx is New York Citys coronavirus capital - The Washington Post

Coronavirus in California: State sees deadliest day, even as COVID-19 cases stabilize - it's a start. I hope that they start considering the safest businesses to reopen. VICE TV recently had a segment on Austria doing that, like a jeweler reopening for business.

Governor Newsom Outlines Six Critical Indicators the State will Consider Before Modifying the Stay-at-Home Order and Other COVID-19 Interventions | California Governor
  • The ability to monitor and protect our communities through testing, contact tracing, isolating, and supporting those who are positive or exposed;
  • The ability to prevent infection in people who are at risk for more severe COVID-19;
  • The ability of the hospital and health systems to handle surges;
  • The ability to develop therapeutics to meet the demand;
  • The ability for businesses, schools, and child care facilities to support physical distancing; and
  • The ability to determine when to reinstitute certain measures, such as the stay-at-home orders, if necessary.
 
Larry Hogan unsure why Trump faulted him for buying coronavirus tests

Coronavirus: Atlanta Mayor says to ignore governor's decision to reopen - Business Insider
  • Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms strongly urged her constituents to remain at home to contain the coronavirus through social distancing and ignore
  • Republican Gov. Brian Kemp's decision to rapidly reopen Georgia's economy.
    "Stay home. Listen to the scientists," Bottoms said. "There is nothing essential about going to a bowling alley or getting a manicure in the middle of a pandemic."
  • On April 20, less than three weeks into his stay-home order, Kemp announced shelter-in-place would end and businesses all over the state, including gyms, nail salons, and bowling alleys, would reopen as soon as April 27.
  • Trump initially supported Kemp's move, but later reversed his position and said he told Kemp he "strongly" disagreed with the rapid reopening.
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What a jerk Trump is.

‘The political honeymoon may be ending’ - POLITICO
“As a general proposition, my experience with Democrats over the years is there’s nothing they love better than an opportunity to spend money,” McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview this week.

The Senate majority leader is ridiculing the idea of sending aid to beleaguered states and has even suggested he’d prefer states declare bankruptcy rather than get rescued by the federal government — drawing gasps from Democratic leaders.

“Did he actually say those words?” asked a stunned Washington Sen. Patty Murray, the No. 3 Democrat in the Senate. “The world is upside down. It is not time to say to a family, a business, a government agency, anywhere, to go bankrupt.”
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I think that the Democrats ought *not* to compromise in advance. They should propose a full-scale bill, and only then negotiate.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Explains Why She Voted Against Coronavirus Relief Package
What I'd posted earlier. But other Democrats had misgivings, even if they voted for it.
Speaking with Newsweek, Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) had said: "We have to do better, we have to deliver real relief. This is not it."

"We took a bad, insufficient Republican package that was proposed, and we made it better, so that's good. But in a couple of days, we will reach the same number of American lives lost that we had in Vietnam," she said.
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The measure passed 388-5, with AOC being joined by 4 Republicans: Jody Hice (GA), Ken Buck (CO), Thomas Massie (KY), & Andy Biggs (AZ). Justin Amash (I) voted present, and 35 members didn't participate. Ken Buck:
"We are engaged in a bipartisan bankruptcy of this country," he said in a statement. "We will not heal our communities and put an end to this crisis by throwing trillions of dollars at an economy chained by a government-mandated quarantine."

Meanwhile, Amash explained his vote on Twitter, asserting that the funding package failed to "fix structural flaws that made the last bill so unfair and ineffective."
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Bill Gates' brutal reality check on the coronavirus reopening - Axios
"People can go out, but not as often, and not to crowded places. Picture restaurants that only seat people at every other table, and airplanes where every middle seat is empty. Schools are open, but you can’t fill a stadium with 70,000 people. People are working some and spending some of their earnings, but not as much as they were before the pandemic ...

"One example of gradual reopening is Microsoft China, which has roughly 6,200 employees. So far about half are now coming in to work ...

"They insist people with symptoms stay home. They require masks and provide hand sanitizer and do more intensive cleaning. Even at work, they apply distancing rules and only allow travel for exceptional reasons. China has been conservative about opening up and has so far avoided any significant rebound."
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Given how much right-wingers adore business leaders, one ought to expect them to take this scenario to heart.
 
ideologyhunter said:
The clip shows otherwise. Not a hint of put-on in his delivery. No porpoise grin. Waved his hands as he does when he thinks he's being analytical. Trump supporters: if your hero can walk back this disinfectant nonsense by saying he was joking...how can you trust anything -- no, skip it, I'm rescinding the question. Hopeless. I was just being sarcastic.
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An interesting side note:

Around the time Trump was delivering his "sarcastic/not sarcastic" remark, the US death toll from COVID-19 passed 50,000. A day later, it is over 51,000. If it keeps up at this pace, it will surpass the number of US deaths from the entire Vietnam War by the middle of next week.

Not exactly at good time for the President of the United States to be honing his comedy chops, to put it mildly. If we take him at his (clearly false) word that he was just "being sarcastic," then he's basically admitted to callous indifference to the human cost of the worst catastrophe to strike America since he was a young playboy whoring around while poor kids were dying in the jungles of 'Nam.

Fuck this guy to hell.
 
Keeping the middle seat empty during a plane flight seems odd. First, it's not even close to six feet between Seat A and Seat C. Second, look at what happens on a plane during boarding, or, even worse, the instant the lights go back on when a full plane reaches the terminal. It's like a mosh pit.

If a guy I heard about can contract--and die from--COVID-19 because he got a haircut, then an empty middle seat won't help one bit.
 
Coronavirus live updates: Maryland agency receives more than 100 disinfectant use calls

2:11 p.m.: Maryland warns residents not to ingest disinfectant after receiving more than 100 calls
Maryland sent out an emergency alert after receiving more than 100 calls on consuming disinfectant as a possible treatment to COVID-19, according to the governor's office.

The calls came after President Donald Trump suggested using a disinfectant.

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that," Trump said Thursday at the White House briefing.

By Friday, he said that he was "sarcastically" asking a question.

Some Maryland residents, however, still dialed the Maryland Emergency Management Agency to ask about disinfectant use.
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Ford said:
Around the time Trump was delivering his "sarcastic/not sarcastic" remark, the US death toll from COVID-19 passed 50,000. A day later, it is over 51,000. If it keeps up at this pace, it will surpass the number of US deaths from the entire Vietnam War by the middle of next week.

Not exactly at good time for the President of the United States to be honing his comedy chops, to put it mildly. If we take him at his (clearly false) word that he was just "being sarcastic," then he's basically admitted to callous indifference to the human cost of the worst catastrophe to strike America since he was a young playboy whoring around while poor kids were dying in the jungles of 'Nam.
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Damn. Wish I'd said that!
 
Trump plans to cut daily coronavirus briefings

President Trump plans to pare back his coronavirus press conferences, according to four sources familiar with the internal deliberations.

He may stop appearing daily and make shorter appearances when he does, the sources said — a practice that may have started with Friday's unusually short briefing.
Why this matters: Trump's daily press conferences — televised to a largely homebound population — have dominated the public discourse about the coronavirus.

Behind the scenes: A number of Trump's most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings.

They've told him he's overexposed and these appearances are part of the reason polls aren't looking good for him right now against Joe Biden.
"I told him it's not helping him," said one adviser to the president. "Seniors are scared. And the spectacle of him fighting with the press isn't what people want to see."
But Trump has defended the practice, telling critics that the briefings get good ratings.

One source cautioned that decisions like this one are never final until they're final.
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bilby said:
Half-Life said:
That's not very nice. Just imagine the outrage if Trump said that all Democrats should drink bleach.

I'm sure you would say that is not nice behavior.
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Far too many people are being far too nice about the fact that your nation is being run by an insane person with a cult following.

It's well past time for everyone to stop being nice, and to hold this lunatic accountable for his dangerous and irresponsible behaviour.

Trump has destroyed any basis there might have been for respecting the office of President; It's no longer justifiable to be polite to the fuckwit who is either deliberately killing his own citizens, or is lethally incompetent. Those people who remain in official positions, but who fail to speak up in an unequivocal and frankly undiplomatic way against their idiotic leader are complicit in the massive harm he continues to do to your nation and its citizens.

Fuck being nice. Being nice to people who pose an existential threat to you is fucking stupid.
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I will repeat this again but it constantly gets ignored because you can't refute truth.

When Trump enacted his travel ban, the U.S. had 0 deaths from the virus. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA. And he still banned travel. That was January 31.

About a month later on Feb 27, Pelosi told us we should have a parade in Chinatown. About 2 weeks later on March 9, Fauci said you can go party on cruise ships if you're healthy. NY Times was saying the virus is no big deal. All media sources were saying the virus is no big deal.

Everyone was saying it was no big deal except for Trump, who enacted the travel ban. You guys are rewriting history. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
ZiprHead said:
Trump plans to cut daily coronavirus briefings

President Trump plans to pare back his coronavirus press conferences, according to four sources familiar with the internal deliberations.

He may stop appearing daily and make shorter appearances when he does, the sources said — a practice that may have started with Friday's unusually short briefing.
Why this matters: Trump's daily press conferences — televised to a largely homebound population — have dominated the public discourse about the coronavirus.

Behind the scenes: A number of Trump's most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings.

They've told him he's overexposed and these appearances are part of the reason polls aren't looking good for him right now against Joe Biden.
"I told him it's not helping him," said one adviser to the president. "Seniors are scared. And the spectacle of him fighting with the press isn't what people want to see."
But Trump has defended the practice, telling critics that the briefings get good ratings.

One source cautioned that decisions like this one are never final until they're final.
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Never mind if he's killing anyone, or tying up doctor's time to answer painfully obvious dumbass questions, or just embarrassing the nation,

...but "I'm dropping in the polls? What can i do to fix that?"
"Well, sir, you could try SHUT THE FUCK UP! Ask your accountant if STFU! fits into your investment plans."
"No. Not gonna do that. Maybe cut my time in half?"
 
Keith&Co. said:
ZiprHead said:
Trump plans to cut daily coronavirus briefings

President Trump plans to pare back his coronavirus press conferences, according to four sources familiar with the internal deliberations.

He may stop appearing daily and make shorter appearances when he does, the sources said — a practice that may have started with Friday's unusually short briefing.
Why this matters: Trump's daily press conferences — televised to a largely homebound population — have dominated the public discourse about the coronavirus.

Behind the scenes: A number of Trump's most trusted advisers — both inside and outside the White House — have urged him to stop doing marathon televised briefings.

They've told him he's overexposed and these appearances are part of the reason polls aren't looking good for him right now against Joe Biden.
"I told him it's not helping him," said one adviser to the president. "Seniors are scared. And the spectacle of him fighting with the press isn't what people want to see."
But Trump has defended the practice, telling critics that the briefings get good ratings.

One source cautioned that decisions like this one are never final until they're final.
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Never mind if he's killing anyone, or tying up doctor's time to answer painfully obvious dumbass questions, or just embarrassing the nation,

...but "I'm dropping in the polls? What can i do to fix that?"
"Well, sir, you could try SHUT THE FUCK UP! Ask your accountant if STFU! fits into your investment plans."
"No. Not gonna do that. Maybe cut my time in half?"
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What about the leftists who are cheering that the virus is raging because it has a chance to unseat Trump? A lot of them were overjoyed that the virus was raging in Florida.
 
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