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Why did this Fox News commentator go there? To see all the nice 19th cy. and thereabouts architecture in Budapest?

Tucker Carlson, Hungary, and the right’s embrace of authoritarianism - Vox
"The country has become a model for a rising kind of authoritarianism. So, of course, the American right’s most popular cable host is embracing it."

Hungary has been moving toward being a one-party authoritarian state while keeping the appearance of being a multiparty democracy. Winning by gerrymandering, packing the courts with supporters, bullying the news media into submission, you name it.
Make no mistake: Fox’s marquee host is aligning himself with a ruler who has spent the past 11 years systematically dismantling Hungary’s free political system.

A 2021 report from V-Dem, the leading academic institute assessing the state of global democracy, found that Hungary crossed the line into autocracy in 2018. In March, Orbán’s Fidesz party was pushed out of the EPP, an alliance of center-right European parties, because its European peers felt it had strayed too far into authoritarian territory.

Despite the increasingly clear evidence that Hungary has abandoned democracy, many conservative intellectuals in America have come to see the Orbán regime as a model for America.

These right-wing observers, typically social conservatives and nationalists, see Orbán’s willingness to use state power against the LGBT community, academics, the press, and immigrants as an example of how conservatives can fight back against left-wing cultural power. They either deny Fidesz’s authoritarian streak or, more chillingly, argue that it’s necessary to defeat the left — a chilling move at a time when the GOP is waging war on American democracy, using tactics eerily reminiscent of the ones Fidesz successfully deployed against Hungary’s democratic institutions.
The party's name is prononced FEE-dess. It's from Latin "fides": "faith".

In Hungarian spelling, sz = "s", s = "sh", zs = "zh", z = "z".
 
For the first 20 years since the fall of the Soviet bloc, Hungary was a young but stable democracy. In 1998, Viktor Orbán became Prime Minister for the first time, but he governed as a typical European conservative. In 2002, his party Fidesz lost to the Socialist Party, but Fidesz people never accepted the legitimacy of that loss.
When Fidesz returned to power after the country’s 2010 election, winning a two-thirds majority amidst the Great Recession and incumbent corruption scandals, the party set about seizing complete control of the Hungarian state — turning it into a machine designed to subtly lock the opposition out of power without having to formally abolish elections.

Orbán and his allies gerrymandered parliamentary districts and packed the Constitutional Court. They seized control over the national elections agency, the civil service, and over 90 percent of all media in Hungary. They used economic regulation to enrich themselves and punish their opponents — persecuting a major university, for example, until it was forced to leave the country altogether.

“Hungary is not a democracy anymore,” Zsuzsanna Szelényi, a former Hungarian member from Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s party, told me when I met her in Budapest in 2018. “The parliament is a decoration for a one-party state.”

Fidesz justified its power grabs by demonizing a series of outgroups and external enemies. If you read the state-aligned press, you’ll learn that only Viktor Orbán can save Hungarian civilization from the threat posed by Muslim immigrants, liberals in the European Union, the LGBT community, and the Jewish billionaire George Soros.

Orbán won reelection in 2015 and 2018, in votes that were formally free but in no sense fair. Fidesz benefitted from massive resource advantages, backing from government-aligned media, and rules designed to tilt the playing field. Though Orbán’s party won less than 50 percent of the vote in the 2018 election, it still won a two-thirds majority in parliament — thanks in part due to gerrymandering.
This seems so much like the US Republican Party. Gerrymandering, court packing, bullying the news media, demonizing outsiders, you name it.
 
It's not surprising that Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon like Viktor Orbán's regime.
Like American social conservatives, Hungary’s leader claims to stand for the traditional Christian family against progressives, feminists, and the LGBT community. Like American nationalists, Orbán despises immigrants and assails the European Union’s influence on his country (though he’s more than happy to accept billions in EU subsidies in order to prop up Hungary’s economy and enrich his allies).
Just like how red-state politicians who are happy to accept Federal Government money, money largely from blue-state taxes.

Tucker To Hungary, Nixon To China | The American Conservative
Arguing that Hungary is still a democracy and also
“Which is the only power capable of standing up to Woke Capitalists, as well as these illiberal leftists in academia, media, sports, cultural institutions, and other places? The state,” he writes. “This is why American conservatives ought to be beating a path to Hungary.”

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“The unhappy truth is that liberalism as we Americans have known it is probably dead. Our future is almost certainly going to be left-illiberal or right-illiberal,” he writes. “The right-of-center thought leaders who want to figure out how to resist effectively will be coming to Budapest to observe, to talk, and to learn.”
So he wants to have it both ways. VO's party is not acting like the ruling party of a one-party authoritarian state, and it is completely justified in doing so.
This two-step — it’s not really undemocratic, and it’s necessary to fight the left — is exactly how Republicans justify their own attacks on democracy at home.

Extreme gerrymandering, seizing control over local election boards, purging nonvoters from the voting rolls, stripping power from duly elected Democratic governors, packing courts with partisan judges, creating a media propaganda network that its partisans consume to the exclusion of other sources — all Republican approaches that, with some nouns changed, could easily describe Fidesz’s techniques for hollowing out from democracy from within.

The Republican turn on democracy is in significant part fueled by the right’s sense of leftist ascendancy — heightened by electoral defeats in 2008 and 2020 and strengthened by defeat in culture war battles like same-sex marriage. Dreher’s punditry on Hungary is an unusually honest expression of this attitude; he’s articulating what many on the right believe but are afraid to own too openly.
 
Tucker Carlson: What the Fox News host is doing in Hungary - BBC News
US guest of honour and Fox News host Tucker Carlson was granted a lightning visit by military helicopter to Hungary's 175km (109-mile) high-tech, high-cost razor-wire border fence with Serbia this week.

He liked what he saw. After praising the fence for being so "clean and orderly", in contrast to the "chaos" on the US-Mexican border, he told his viewers: "It doesn't require a GDP the size of the US, it doesn't require high-tech walls, guns, or surveillance equipment. All it requires is the will to do it."

And he praised Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban for not allowing "this nation of 10 million people to be changed forever by people we didn't invite in and who are coming here illegally".
TC then said what a failure Joe Biden was for not doing what VO has done.

"Carlson is attending a three-day festival organised by the Matthias Corvinus Collegium (MCC) in Esztergom, the former Hungarian capital and home of the Roman Catholic Church."

About VO,
After 11 years in almost unchallenged power, he faces a fierce battle for re-election in eight months time, against an unusually united opposition, from left to right, which accuses him of hijacking Hungarian democracy and financially favouring his own coterie of oligarchs and loyalists.

Mr Orban also stands accused of using Pegasus spyware purchased from the Israeli company NSO to tap the phones and mine the personal data of up to 300 independent journalists, lawyers and businessmen not aligned with his Fidesz party.

The European Commission has suspended the disbursement of post-Covid EU recovery funds, citing insufficient safeguards against corruption. Nordic governments have also suspended payment of funds to NGOs, after failing to reach agreement with the government over who should disburse them.
 
Tucker Carlson Did PR for Hungary's Authoritarian Leader
  • Tucker Carlson gave Hungary's authoritarian leader a platform to spread his xenophobic views.
  • Carlson presented Hungary as "freer" than the United States.
  • Carlson did not mention how Orbán has shored up control of the country's elections, media, and courts.
Anne Applebaum on Twitter: "In Orban's Hungary, +90% of media is controlled by the ruling party. Businesses are physically and legally harassed if they don't toe the party line (or if someone wants them, cheap). Elections are manipulated. Party leaders are mysteriously rich. A model for Fox?" / Twitter

Anne Applebaum on Twitter: "I wrote this at a moment when the British right was being massively courted by Orban - he spent a lot of money wooing conservative intellectuals there. (link)" / Twitter

Anne Applebaum on Twitter: "These people are hucksters, using their fake "Christianity" to disguise theft and corruption. You have to actually *want* to be conned by them in order to fall for it." / Twitter

Anne Applebaum on Twitter: "(also - the massive idiotic responses/quote tweets to this from twitter accounts with names like mike@3095432097 is astounding. They don't know what kind of country they live in, or what kind of country is Hungary, or what it means to have government controlled media at all)" / Twitter

Back to the article.
Reporters Without Borders in July, for example, pointed to Orbán as one of the world's 37 "press freedom predators."

In an interview with Insider last year, Sheri Berman, a professor of political science at Barnard College and author of "Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe," said, "At this point, Hungary is a full-on dictatorship. No if, ands, or buts."

Orbán is unabashedly xenophobic and bigoted, instituting policies against migrants and the LGBTQ community that have been condemned worldwide.
Mehdi Hasan on Twitter: "“Last year, Orban raised concerns in Hungary's Jewish community when he praised the country's interwar leader Miklos Horthy, a Hitler ally, and used an image of Jewish U.S. financier George Soros in an anti-immigration billboard campaign” - Reuters, 2018" / Twitter
But Carlson, who has espoused white supremacist conspiracy theories on his show and routinely attacks immigrants, effectively did what amounted to PR for Orbán. The Fox News host presented the Hungarian leader as a pro-family leader who protects his country's borders, without mentioning how the European Union's supreme court — the European Court of Justice — in the past year ruled that Orbán's government has been illegally deporting refugees to Serbia.

Orbán's border policies are driven by ethnonationalism, and he's made no secret of this. "We do not want to be diverse," Orbán said in a 2018 speech, adding, "We do not want our own color, traditions, and national culture to be mixed with those of others."
 
Hungary's Viktor Orban tells Tucker Carlson: 'Western liberals can't accept' right-wing dissent | Fox News
Orban claims 'it is not a human right' to migrate to Hungary, calling it "a nation, a community, family, history, tradition, language"

Orban – speaking with "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Thursday -- was the first European leader to endorse Trump's reelection bid, while Trump lauded Orban's border security and counterterrorism policies, as well as endeavors to "protect and help Christian communities" throughout the world.
Not surprising, given what a fellow ethnonationalist Trump is.

About President Biden's criticisms,
"Somebody who does not speak our language has a very limited knowledge on Hungary, even in the recent several decades of our life, not understanding of obviously having an opinion like that," he said. "You know, it's by itself, it's a personal insult for all the Hungarians."
Then about critics of his regime.
"The Western liberals cannot accept that inside the Western civilization, there is a conservative national alternative which is more successful at everyday life, at the level of them -- the liberal ones," he said. "That's the reason why they criticize us. They are fighting for themselves, not against us. But we are an example that a country which is based on traditional values, on national identity, on the tradition of Christianity can be successful – sometimes more successful than a leftist-liberal government."

Orban said Biden and the Democratic Party cannot accept the success Hungary has seen in protecting its Serbian and Croatian borders.
 
Provided they aren't a Muslim or a Communist, the American right wing generally likes dictators.
As to Muslims, they make exceptions for oil oligarchs like Mohammed bin Salman (MBS).

 2017–2019 Saudi Arabian purge -- if that won't make your hair stand on end, then what will? MBS ordered several princes, business leaders and government officials into the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton Hotel. He then shook them down on corruption charges, but the real reason was likely to show who is boss in that nation. That hotel was a very luxurious jail for them, but it was a jail nonetheless.
 
I guess this poll is making a lot more sense where 67% of Republicans believe voting is a privilege that can be taken away. Quiet part out loud and all that.
 
I guess this poll is making a lot more sense where 67% of Republicans believe voting is a privilege that can be taken away. Quiet part out loud and all that.

Kind of like gun ownership, eh?

I suppose, but I have the controversial opinion that denying citizens the right to vote is infinitely more serious than being able to fulfill your CoD porn. I've also never considered gun ownership a right.
 
David A. Bell on Twitter: "Thread: It is scary ..." / Twitter
Thread: It is scary, but also weirdly fascinating, how a coherent anti-democratic ideology is taking hold on the American right today. It has three distinct parts. /1

First, there is the idea that the United States is not a democracy, but a republic. This idea has a long pedigree, of course, going back to the founding, even if most subsequent American political history contradicts it. /2

Its practical significance is that it allows the right to dismiss the importance of the popular vote, and to defend all the non-democratic and anti-democratic mechanisms that give the aging white non-urban minority such disproportional power in this country... /3

namely unequal Senate representation, the electoral college, the filibuster, gerrymandering, voter suppression—and ultimately, perhaps, the right of state legislatures to overturn their own states’ popular votes. /4

Second, there is the theory of “replacement,” recently championed by Newt Gingrich and Tucker Carlson: i.e. the idea that the Democrats are deliberately encouraging both legal and illegal immigration... /5

in order to “replace” the existing population with foreigners who do not have the same commitment to our “values.” This allows them to present the “crisis at the border” as an existential threat to the country’s existence, and not just as a source of scary Mexican criminality. /6

Finally, there is the explicit praise for authoritarian leaders abroad, past and present, who claim to be acting in defense of “Western values”: Portugal’s 20th-c. dictator Salazar, Vladimir Putin, and most prominently of late, Viktor Orbán of Hungary. /7

These men’s thuggery, corruption, and brutal repression of political enemies, LGBTQ people and minorities are dismissed as lies and exaggeration by the “lamestream” media. /8

Put these 3 elements together, and a simple message emerges. The Democrats are using illegal methods to “destroy the country,” and in response, the right is justified in using all the “republican" methods at its disposal to put a traditionalist, Orbán-like figure into power. /9

For the moment, we shouldn't assume that this ideology has conquered the GOP. Most Republican office-holders at this stage have not in fact condoned legislatures overturning their states' popular vote, or endorsed replacement theory, or expressed admiration for Viktor Orbán. /10

Despite Tucker Carlson’s best efforts, most rank-and-file Republicans have probably never heard of Viktor Orbán. /11

The Claremont Institute--which has probably done the most behind the scenes to shape the ideology--does not reflect the views of most Republicans. /12

But the fact that the large majority of Republicans still believe that the election was stolen clearly indicates that they are receptive to the ideology, and ready to support explicitly authoritarian measures in order to "save the country." /13

Will it end up being a set of fringe ideas that cannot, in the end, compete with long-standing American political tradition? Or will it end up being something considerably more dangerous? I have no idea. But I do think it is worth taking seriously. /end
 
Newt Gingrich Goes Full ‘Great Replacement Theory’ in Maria Bartiromo Interview on Fox Business
noting
John Whitehouse+ on Twitter: "Newt Gingrich is the latest on Fox to go full great replacement theory: The left is bringing immigrants to the United States “to get rid of the rest of us” (ht @EricKleefeld) (vid link)" / Twitter
Transcript at Newt Gingrich: The left is bringing immigrants to the United States "to get rid of the rest of us" | Media Matters for America
NEWT GINGRICH (FOX CONTRIBUTOR): They don't come all the way across Mexico for the purpose of visiting for two days. They want to be in America. And I think what's hard for most of us to accept, is that the anti-American left would love to drown traditional classic Americans with as many people as they can who know nothing of American history, nothing of American tradition, nothing of the rule of law. And I think that – if you go and you look at the radical left, this is their ideal model is to get rid of the rest of us because we believe in George Washington or we believe in the Constitution, and you see this behavior over and over again.

Why Tucker Carlson is so obsessed with Hungary’s Viktor Orbán.
"Authoritarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is everything American authoritarians wish Trump was."
Two years later, Carlson is in Budapest, and on Wednesday evening, the conservative commentator and unwavering reactionary Rod Dreher—who is also in Budapest, so it happens—captured him in full flow at a dinner at the Prime Minister’s Office. The lesson of Hungary, Dreher paraphrased Carlson as saying in a series of tweets, is that people “genuinely love their country and traditions, and are willing to fight for them.” The other good thing about this landlocked illiberal democracy, Carlson told his audience, is “that you’re truly hated by all the right people.” Carlson concluded: “Congratulations on infuriating the worst people in the world. Prepare to receive their wrath.”

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“If you care about Western civilization and democracy and families—and the ferocious assault on all three of those things by the leaders of our global institutions—you should know what is happening here right now,” Carlson teased his audience at the beginning of his stay this week.

This takeover has been done entirely inside the existing governmental system. "In 2011, Fidesz whisked a new constitution through parliament in nine days; its principal victim, the Austro-Hungarian journalist Paul Lendvai notes, was judicial independence."

Newspapers and other media outlets formerly critical of the government have either closed—like the left-leaning Népszabadság—or been taken over by investors close to the Orbán regime. State-run television channels “whitewash” the news in a way that favors the government. A recent study into antisemitism in Hungary commissioned by the Mazsihisz, the nation’s oldest and largest Jewish community, found that viewers of state television are more likely to believe George Soros is “mainly a power-hungry, selfish businessman who strives to promote his own interests on a global scale” than those who watch privately run channels like RTL and ATV.

The state’s successful propaganda campaign against Soros is indicative of the increasingly precarious place of minorities in Orbán’s illiberal state. Asylum-seekers have been made subject to increasingly harsh conditions since the 2015 refugee crisis. Factions of the Jewish community have been pitted against each other and Holocaust memory has been politicized. Roma continue to be subject to discrimination, exclusion, and educational segregation. Since the start of 2020, the Hungarian government has banned legal gender recognition, restricted adoption by same-sex couples, and banned the “portrayal and the promotion of gender identity different from sex at birth, the change of sex and homosexuality” to those under 18.
In effect, a right-wing dream world. Complete with plenty of corruption, it seems.
Hungarian and European taxpayer money has reportedly found its way into the pockets of those closest to the regime. The state has lavished funds on soccer stadiums as the country’s health care infrastructure has been left to go to seed.

Unpatriotic Conservatives™ 2021 | The American Conservative
God Bless Hungary - Interview with Rod Dreher - Hungarian Conservative
From the latter,
rump was not wrong about the swamp. The problem is that Trump enjoys talking about the swamp, but he did not actually do anything about it. Biden is making the smart work for himself and for the things he believes in. I think that this is really going to be bad for the country. Because once these things get changed, they are probably not going to change back. If they change back, it is going to be because the Republicans in 2024 nominate a politician who has the same convictions as Trump about populous themes, conservative themes, but who has way more intelligence than Trump and discipline and who knows how to use the government to change things. I have often said that if Donald Trump had had even half the intelligence and the focus of Viktor Orbán, America would be a very different place. Maybe in 2020, for the conservative movement, we will be able to put forward a politician, a presidential candidate, who is more like Orbán than Trump.
Someone like Ron DeSantis, maybe. We Americans have been saved many times by Trump's extreme incompetence and his gross overestimation of his abilities.
With Trump out of office, Orbán—who among other things has raised subsidies for families and banned the teaching of gender studies in Hungarian universities—has become a lodestar for conservatives like Dreher and now, apparently, Carlson. “For Western conservatives of a religious and/or nationalist bent, Orbán is the leader they wish Donald Trump could be,” Vox’s Zack Beauchamp has rightly observed: “smart, politically savvy, and genuinely devoted to their ideals. Hungary is, for them … proof of concept that their ideas could make the United States a better place.”

For its part, the Hungarian government has invested in sympathetic foundations and institutes in a bid to foster conservative thought and allies.
 
Why do lefties hate Viktor Orban so much? Ah, right. He was an anti-soviet dissident and knows the terror of leftism.

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Why do lefties hate Viktor Orban so much? Ah, right. He was an anti-soviet dissident and knows the terror of leftism.

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That's a very improbable motive. Chances are the majority of the left-wingers who hate him never heard of that, and they hate him because several of his policies are strongly against their preferred ones, his claims are against left-wing ideology, and so on. And even if it turns out most of them did hear of that, it's unlikely that that's the main reason for their hatred towards him (again, in most cases; I'm not saying it's all cases - that would be harder to tell).
 
Why do lefties hate Viktor Orban so much? Ah, right. He was an anti-soviet dissident and knows the terror of leftism.

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That's a very improbable motive. Chances are the vast majority of left-wingers never heard of that, and they hate him because several of his policies are strongly against their preferred ones, his claims are against left-wing ideology, and so on.
Of course, only leftists would be against his anti-semitism and anti-democratic actions. There is a big difference between what Mr. Orban was and what Mr. Orban has become.
 
Why do lefties hate Viktor Orban so much? Ah, right. He was an anti-soviet dissident and knows the terror of leftism.

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That's a very improbable motive. Chances are the vast majority of left-wingers never heard of that, and they hate him because several of his policies are strongly against their preferred ones, his claims are against left-wing ideology, and so on.
Of course, only leftists would be against his anti-semitism and anti-democratic actions. There is a big difference between what Mr. Orban was and what Mr. Orban has become.
My point was about the reasons why most left-wingers who hate him likely hate him. I made no claim that only left-wingers hate him.
 
Of course, only leftists would be against his anti-semitism and anti-democratic actions. There is a big difference between what Mr. Orban was and what Mr. Orban has become.
My point was about the reasons why most left-wingers who hate him likely hate him. I made no claim that only left-wingers hate him.

What he is doing right fucking now is more important than what he was part of decades ago. People used to like Bill Cosby too. I have to admit though Trausti raises an excellent point. It's curious how some critics of the Soviet Union are downright fascistic in their beliefs.
 
His recent anti-LGBTQ laws equating homosexuality with pedophilia and banning the propagation of LGBTQ “propaganda” have met resistance at the European level, with the Dutch prime minister speculating that the time may have come for Hungary to be booted out of the European club. The EU is currently holding up delivery of funds from the bloc’s post-COVID recovery fund over concerns about how that money will be spent and the state’s observance of the rule of law.
Seems like a Religious Right wet dream.

Poll: Two-thirds of Republicans still think the 2020 election was rigged

They may not be familiar with Viktor Orbán, but they believe that much.
 
Why do lefties hate Viktor Orban so much? Ah, right. He was an anti-soviet dissident and knows the terror of leftism.
There is a very common delusion among right-wingers, the delusion that left-wingers are all alike, unified and indistinguishable.

For several years after the fall of the Soviet bloc, he was committed to democracy and pluralism. But over the last decade, he has attempted to create a one-party state by rigging a democratic system. Even though he had suffered under a one-party state earlier in his life.
 
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