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Unarmed teen killed in his home by police

Trying to make a drug arrest without the drugs involves more paperwork for the police. Whom would you rather have die - a drug-addicted criminal or some innocent tree? The police officer's actions were more than justifiable in this case.

Actually, with drug raids I think the rules should be changed to make it more possible to make a drug arrest without drugs: Make the law say that the destruction of an item that appears to match the object of the search warrant will be presumed to be the object in the warrant. Take a camera along--the videotape of the guy flushing the bag of green stuff is enough to convict him of possession of pot.

(Of course the best answer is to legalize the drugs in the first place, but I would apply this to more than drugs.)
 
"Especially when the druggies are trying to destroy their stash".

Why would cops shoot someone for flushing their drugs down the toilet? I can kind of understand a cop doing something stupid like shooting someone who went for their wallet or who was holding something that could be mistaken for a gun, but why on earth would cops shoot someone during a drug bust while trying to get rid of their stash?

The cops are shooting at sudden movement without regard for the fact that they're provoking it.
Sudden movement meaning shoving your weed down the toilet while flushing it? What kind of "sudden movement" could flushing drugs down a toilet possibly involve that would "especially" make sense to explain civilians being shot during drug raids?
 
I read somewhere that in some US cities there are more police killings than other murders. Is that true or is that made up?
 
I'm trying to show that he could have been holding a game controller and yet appear dangerous.

But he wasn't holding that type of controller, so what is your point (other than more police apologetics)?

Where do we have an indication of what type of controller he was holding? All I saw was "Wii controller".
 
I'm going to assume you are joking around.

I'm trying to show that he could have been holding a game controller and yet appear dangerous.
Was that the kind of controller he was holding though? If someone is shot while holding a video game controller which closely resembles a firearm, wouldn't reports emphasize the fact that it looked like a gun instead of emphasizing that it was a Wii controller (the default Wii controller bears absolutely no resemblance to a gun) ?
 
true, it looks more like a dildo. maybe the officer was afraid of getting pegged.
 
But he wasn't holding that type of controller, so what is your point (other than more police apologetics)?

Where do we have an indication of what type of controller he was holding? All I saw was "Wii controller".

Multiple article described the Wii controller as the basic white stick kind. That is exactly why I asked if you had bothered to read about the case before googling for a Wii controller to fit your narrative.
 
I'm trying to show that he could have been holding a game controller and yet appear dangerous.
Was that the kind of controller he was holding though? If someone is shot while holding a video game controller which closely resembles a firearm, wouldn't reports emphasize the fact that it looked like a gun instead of emphasizing that it was a Wii controller (the default Wii controller bears absolutely no resemblance to a gun) ?

You're assuming the reporting wasn't slanted.
 
Was that the kind of controller he was holding though? If someone is shot while holding a video game controller which closely resembles a firearm, wouldn't reports emphasize the fact that it looked like a gun instead of emphasizing that it was a Wii controller (the default Wii controller bears absolutely no resemblance to a gun) ?

You're assuming the reporting wasn't slanted.
Perhaps if you could give a cogent explanation why the reporting would have been slanted in regards to the description of a Wii controller, or, even better, actual evidence that it was slanted, it seems that you are literally making stuff up to fit your slanted narrative.
 
But cases like Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown or Eric Garner spend months or longer on TV news.
The Euharlee story has actually been making rounds on local stations for a couple of months now. It was one of their top stories when it first happened; the original indictment and subsequent dismissal were also both hot stories, and the public outrage at the time was palpable.

Maybe it depends on whether the family bribes Sharpton enough.
It depends on whether or not the family has any connections with the press AT ALL. It has little or nothing to do with Al Sharpton, whose activism and influence is nowhere near as influential as his critics pretend it is. You are surely aware that for every Trayvon or Michael Brown who gets killed under suspicious circumstances, there are 10 who are killed without so much as a yawn from the media.

Or perhaps because it was a cut and dried situation
The police version of the story is ALWAYS cut-and-dried. Especially when it's bullshit.

Or need I remind you that the initial police statement on Chris Roupe's death was ALSO pretty cut-and-dried?

As far as witnesses, we see from the Brown case that they were highly unreliable.
Some of them certainly were. Which any prosecutor will tell you is ALWAYS the case when a major, high-profile incident occurs in view of the public with a lot of controversy afterwards. Prosecutors don't call to testify every single person who claims to have seen an event, only the witnesses whose testimony is both consistent and reliable. Calling witnesses whose testimony conflicts with other witnesses is something the DEFENSE does when they're trying to discredit the prosecutor's witnesses.

A prosecutor doesn't call conflicting witnesses to the stand unless he's trying to throw his own case.:poke_with_stick:

I agree.And yet it still DOES.
As evidenced that black criminals are portrayed as innocent victims and media eat it up.
Chris Roupe was white, not black. Or are you claiming he ALSO was an innocent victim?

So you are retracting your implication that Chris Roupe was not a threat to the officer that killed him?
Wrong. Just because A doesn't imply B doesn't mean that A implies not B.
Just because somebody is unarmed doesn't mean they were not a threat
So Chris Roupe WAS a threat?:confused:

Roupe merely answered his door and thus he wasn't.
He answered the door with a "gun" in his hand. He was every bit as much a threat as Brown was.

You seem to be implying that the kind of reaction we're seeing from Ferguson just kinda popped up out of nowhere. That is far from the case.
When all this happened the word was that Ferguson residents were angry because so many of them got bench warrants issued against them because they failed to pay their fines or show up for their court dates.
No. They were angry because ferguson police officers are confrontational and unprofessional and have fostered a reputation for harassment and persecution of black people. This in the context of a town whose local politics is and has for a very long time been rife with racial disharmony.

So why did the story of a convenience store robber who attacked the police officer strike such a nerve and not some more factual case of police misconduct?
Because "factual case of police misconduct" doesn't usually involve teenagers getting gunned down in the street while they are trying to surrender. The fact that Michael Brown was accused of stealing from a convenience store after his death doesn't change the facts of the case either.

I think the big difference is still the race.
To the extent that white people are less likely to be alarmed by the unjustified shooting of a white kid than black people are the unjustified shooting of a black kid, this is probably true.

It's almost as if the people of Euharlee, outraged as they were, didn't care about it enough to make it a huge issue.

No, Al Shaprton is a racist.
And you're not?

How about we get Sharpton to apologize to Steve Pagones, the man Sharpton and Brawley falsely accused of rape first?
He already did.

Imagine if a white community leader were to start a witch hunt campaign accusing an innocent black assistant DA of raping a 15 year old white girl.
Hmm... black people being falsely accused by white community leaders of raping white girls, resulting in some sort of "hunt for justice..."

Do you REALLY want to open that door?
 
"Especially when the druggies are trying to destroy their stash".

Why would cops shoot someone for flushing their drugs down the toilet? I can kind of understand a cop doing something stupid like shooting someone who went for their wallet or who was holding something that could be mistaken for a gun, but why on earth would cops shoot someone during a drug bust while trying to get rid of their stash?

The cops are shooting at sudden movement without regard for the fact that they're provoking it.

Loren Pechtel hits the bullseye!

Unlike the chicken-shit super-trooper who almost killed Levar Jones. The interesting thing is, the trooper in this case got caught in camera making up a a completely BS version of events to justify having opened fire. There's little doubt in my mind that if Levar Jones had been killed, the police department would have publicized everything Jones ever did wrong and probably would have issued a press conference displaying a .357 magnum "similar to the one found in Jones' car at the time of the shooting."

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true, it looks more like a dildo. maybe the officer was afraid of getting pegged.

It was a female officer.
 
You're assuming the reporting wasn't slanted.
Perhaps if you could give a cogent explanation why the reporting would have been slanted in regards to the description of a Wii controller, or, even better, actual evidence that it was slanted, it seems that you are literally making stuff up to fit your slanted narrative.

The report I read simply said "Wii controller" and was obviously written by someone who felt the police were wrong. That did not preclude a gun-like controller.
 
Was that the kind of controller he was holding though? If someone is shot while holding a video game controller which closely resembles a firearm, wouldn't reports emphasize the fact that it looked like a gun instead of emphasizing that it was a Wii controller (the default Wii controller bears absolutely no resemblance to a gun) ?

You're assuming the reporting wasn't slanted.
You're assuming that "Wii Controller" doesn't mean "Wii Controller" and instead means "video game controller that is in the shape of a handgun". Which is something you have entirely failed to substantiate.
 
The Euharlee story has actually been making rounds on local stations for a couple of months now. It was one of their top stories when it first happened; the original indictment and subsequent dismissal were also both hot stories, and the public outrage at the time was palpable.
There wasn't much here in Atlanta, the biggest media market in the state. There also weren't any riots or presidential statements.

It depends on whether or not the family has any connections with the press AT ALL.
What preexisting connections with the press did Brown or Garner families have? Or did that connection only come when Irrev. Al got involved?
It has little or nothing to do with Al Sharpton, whose activism and influence is nowhere near as influential as his critics pretend it is.
He is an influential (he even attended a White House conference on race) race hustler who became part of the media by getting that MSNBC show.
You are surely aware that for every Trayvon or Michael Brown who gets killed under suspicious circumstances, there are 10 who are killed without so much as a yawn from the media.
Perhaps, but there is a clear racial bias in what story becomes a huge national story. No whites killed by police under suspicious circumstances has become a big national media story. And when blacks kill whites the race of the perps is downplayed in the media but race is pretty much the only thing they focus on when it's white on black killing, even when the media, like in the Zimmermann case, have to really stretch to make the suspect into a white guy.
The police version of the story is ALWAYS cut-and-dried. Especially when it's bullshit.
It is more frequent that the family story is bullshit. Like Vonderritt Myers who was supposedly holding a sandwich which turned out to be a gun.
Or need I remind you that the initial police statement on Chris Roupe's death was ALSO pretty cut-and-dried?
Yet it turned out to be anything but.
Some of them certainly were. Which any prosecutor will tell you is ALWAYS the case when a major, high-profile incident occurs in view of the public with a lot of controversy afterwards. Prosecutors don't call to testify every single person who claims to have seen an event, only the witnesses whose testimony is both consistent and reliable. Calling witnesses whose testimony conflicts with other witnesses is something the DEFENSE does when they're trying to discredit the prosecutor's witnesses.
We have already discussed why he did that ad nauseam on other threads.

Roupe was white, not black. Or are you claiming he ALSO was an innocent victim?
I am saying that media is portraying blacks as innocent victims even when they aren't. Brown has been called "unarmed" about a million times. Much rarer is the admission that the attacked a police officer.

So Chris Roupe WAS a threat?:confused:
Not sure if you are playing dumb or actually confused, but it's not that difficult. Try reading it again.

He answered the door with a "gun" in his hand. He was every bit as much a threat as Brown was.
He didn't have a gun. He didn't rob a store just minutes earlier and he never attacked the cop.
Now should it turn out his controller was gun-shaped then the police officer's mistake might have been understandable, but that still doesn't make Roupe anything like Brown.

No. They were angry because ferguson police officers are confrontational and unprofessional and have fostered a reputation for harassment and persecution of black people.
Or perhaps Ferguson residents have a chip on their shoulders. If you have a court date you show up for it or try to reset the date. You don't get to ignore it and then play the race card and claim "harassment" and "persecution" when you get the inevitable bench warrant.
This in the context of a town whose local politics is and has for a very long time been rife with racial disharmony.
And it's all whitey's fault?
Because "factual case of police misconduct" doesn't usually involve teenagers getting gunned down in the street while they are trying to surrender. The fact that Michael Brown was accused of stealing from a convenience store after his death doesn't change the facts of the case either.
Factual police misconduct would be a minor teenager getting gunned down at his home while answering the door without either committing a robbery or attacking the police officer. As to "surrendering", that is the claim, not a fact.

To the extent that white people are less likely to be alarmed by the unjustified shooting of a white kid than black people are the unjustified shooting of a black kid, this is probably true.
Hell, as we can see with Brown, blacks will get alarmed at a justified shooting of a black adult (Brown wasn't a "kid") too.
It's almost as if the people of Euharlee, outraged as they were, didn't care about it enough to make it a huge issue.
And I think protesting is not the right response anyway. So do so many, blacks and whites alike, protest things like Ferguson when the "victim" is a thug who attacked police? It does't make any sense to me.

And you're not?
No I am not. I think people should be treated as individuals regardless of race. Contemporary faux-liberal ideology rejects that in favor of a very race-based narrative and I run afoul of that. See for example this nonsense. TEACHER 'WHITE PRIVILEGE CONFERENCE': WHITES ARE NEVER CURED OF RACISM The participants/leaders of that conference are the real racists.

How about we get Sharpton to apologize to Steve Pagones, the man Sharpton and Brawley falsely accused of rape first?
He already did.
Wrong. He never did. In fact, he still insists he did nothing wrong.
Twenty-five Years Later, Sharpton Still Defending Role in Brawley Rape Hoax

Hmm... black people being falsely accused by white community leaders of raping white girls, resulting in some sort of "hunt for justice..."
Do you REALLY want to open that door?
Yes I do. Not only would nobody deny that such behavior is racist (and it's about time we start admitting the reverse is just as racist), it also hasn't been happening for decades. Whereas black women falsely accusing whites of rape and starting a witch-hunt is much more recent. Not only Tawana Brawley but also Crystal Magnum where the media narrative was of "privileged white men" brutally raping a "poor black woman". Also take a look at the infamous Group of 88. Of course, the whole thing had been a lie from beginning to end but it provided fodder for race warriors for months.
 
So, this happens every time one of these threads pops up: certain people twist it into a derail about 'well you don't seem to make a big deal when it happens to whites/Israelis/men, so you're just as racist'.

The reason 'we' don't make a big stink about it is because generally, public opinion is already heading I. A direction that leads to decent outcomes when the situation involves whites, men, Israel, what-have you. Our endgame motive isn't to make the world less equitable, it's to use shame and media exposure as a last-ditch effort to make those in positions of authority think and honestly question before pulling the trigger against the side that is disadvantaged due to racism, sexism, or religious favoritism in our world.. the black rapist will more often get punished than the white rapist. The cop who beats a black man will get lighter punishment than the cop who beats a white man. By exposing those things to the threat of media exposure, the asshole who thinks it is acceptable is put under the fear of being the next media circus, because that's the only weapon we have left to seek injunction with.
 
You're assuming the reporting wasn't slanted.
You're assuming that "Wii Controller" doesn't mean "Wii Controller" and instead means "video game controller that is in the shape of a handgun". Which is something you have entirely failed to substantiate.

What I linked was a Wii controller. They come in many, many forms.
 
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