Unarmed teen killed in his home by police

[Archimedes]

You're assuming that "Wii Controller" doesn't mean "Wii Controller" and instead means "video game controller that is in the shape of a handgun". Which is something you have entirely failed to substantiate.

What I linked was a Wii controller. They come in many, many forms.

Did the cops report that the Wii controller was one in the shape of a gun? Because I'm pretty sure if it was they would emphasize this in order to try and justify the shooting and you'd be able to present those facts to backup your posts.

Your attempt at defending the shooting seems to consist of nothing but idle speculation about things that might possibly be true that might possibly justify it, i.e. "making shit up".

 

[laughing dog]

Perhaps if you could give a cogent explanation why the reporting would have been slanted in regards to the description of a Wii controller, or, even better, actual evidence that it was slanted, it seems that you are literally making stuff up to fit your slanted narrative.

The report I read simply said "Wii controller" and was obviously written by someone who felt the police were wrong. That did not preclude a gun-like controller.

In other words, you are simply making stuff up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What I linked was a Wii controller. They come in many, many forms.

Did the cops report that the Wii controller was one in the shape of a gun? Because I'm pretty sure if it was they would emphasize this in order to try and justify the shooting and you'd be able to present those facts to backup your posts.

Your attempt at defending the shooting seems to consist of nothing but idle speculation about things that might possibly be true that might possibly justify it, i.e. "making shit up".

The cops might. I don't trust that reporter to faithfully reproduce that, though.

 

[Archimedes]

Did the cops report that the Wii controller was one in the shape of a gun? Because I'm pretty sure if it was they would emphasize this in order to try and justify the shooting and you'd be able to present those facts to backup your posts.

Your attempt at defending the shooting seems to consist of nothing but idle speculation about things that might possibly be true that might possibly justify it, i.e. "making shit up".

The cops might. I don't trust that reporter to faithfully reproduce that, though.

And did they? Have you bothered finding police reports of the incident at hand before you dismissed news reports that don't fit your narrative as being possibly "slanted"?

Again, you have nothing resembling facts for your narrative. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it was indeed a gun shaped controller, but I'm amazed at you and others tendency to immediately assume a narrative that fits your existing "moderate libertarian" (hehe) politics.

 

[bilby]

Libertarianism that includes the expectation that 'citizens who fail to obey instantly, and without question, any command given by a uniformed authority figure, can justifiably be shot dead', strikes me as very moderate indeed.

Libertarianism that includes the assumption of guilt, on the sole basis of failure to instantly submit to authority on demand, strikes me as quite excessively moderate.

Libertarianism that includes the concept that all persons who flee from police are justifiably assumed to be guilty, and therefore subject to the just use of lethal force, strikes me as so moderate as to be non-existent.

It is not common for me to call for anyone to take a more libertarian position than the one they currently hold; but in Loren's case, I think it might not be a bad idea.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I think the rules should be changed to make it more possible to make a drug arrest without drugs:

Clearly, being able to arrest people for crimes without evidence for those crimes is a step in the right direction for law enforcement. Sigh...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the rules should be changed to make it more possible to make a drug arrest without drugs:

Clearly, being able to arrest people for crimes without evidence for those crimes is a step in the right direction for law enforcement. Sigh...

Wow! No words, should of sent a poet. Charges without evidence? That is something a twelve year old says after watching an episode of The Wire. Then the parent explains why that wouldn't work.

 

[Malintent]

Black teens are 21 times more likely to be shot dead by cops than white teens are. For there to be parity between white teens and black teens being shot dead by police, they’d need to shoot 185 more white teens per week.

Your statistics are flawed. first, we must identify what percentage of black teens carry guns illegally versus white teens that carry guns illegally. Then, of those, how many commit crimes. How are your weighted stats doing?

Someone posted an analogy about breast cancer. It was apt. Breast cancer is "racist" to women, purely by death by breast cancer stats. Weigh in breast fat ratio between men and women, and you get a clearer picture...

Breast cancer affect fat tissue in breasts equally... it is just that women have more breast material to begin with

Cops shoot more blacks to death... it is "just" that blacks statistically are the ones waving guns around shortly after committing violent crimes, moreso than whites, at possibly a rate in line with the shooting deaths by race stats.

I said "possibly".. the point is no one is looing at that.

Why? because news agencies (where everyone except the small handful of people that were actually there) are where everyone gets there information... and they are in the business of selling stories and creating more news to report on. THAT is the criminality here.

 

[KeepTalking]

Black teens are 21 times more likely to be shot dead by cops than white teens are. For there to be parity between white teens and black teens being shot dead by police, they’d need to shoot 185 more white teens per week.

Your statistics are flawed. first, we must identify what percentage of black teens carry guns illegally versus white teens that carry guns illegally. Then, of those, how many commit crimes. How are your weighted stats doing?

Someone posted an analogy about breast cancer. It was apt. Breast cancer is "racist" to women, purely by death by breast cancer stats. Weigh in breast fat ratio between men and women, and you get a clearer picture...

Breast cancer affect fat tissue in breasts equally... it is just that women have more breast material to begin with

Cops shoot more blacks to death... it is "just" that blacks statistically are the ones waving guns around shortly after committing violent crimes, moreso than whites, at possibly a rate in line with the shooting deaths by race stats.

I said "possibly".. the point is no one is looing at that.

Why? because news agencies (where everyone except the small handful of people that were actually there) are where everyone gets there information... and they are in the business of selling stories and creating more news to report on. THAT is the criminality here.

You might have a point if ANY of these teens recently executed by police, black or white, had been illegally carrying a gun at the time they were shot. Since they weren't, your point is moot.

 

[Shadowy Man]

You might have a point if ANY of these teens recently executed by police, black or white, had been illegally carrying a gun at the time they were shot. Since they weren't, your point is moot.

The point is that the police *imagined* they were, and so the root of the problem is whether police imagination is biased against black people. I think that question is probably pretty easy to answer.

 

[Jarhyn]

I really don't see what difference it makes whether it was a WII controller or a desert eagle. Someone busted Into his home without announcement, armed. If he'd had a gun and shot both officers dead, he's still have been in the right, because it was a fucking armed home invasion.

Civilians don't get a pass when they're walking around in public places with what people can't distinguish as a toy, and cops don't get a pass when they bust into a house such that the residents can't distinguish that it's a cop busting down their door.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think the rules should be changed to make it more possible to make a drug arrest without drugs:

Clearly, being able to arrest people for crimes without evidence for those crimes is a step in the right direction for law enforcement. Sigh...

How about not taking quotes out of context??

 

[bilby]

Clearly, being able to arrest people for crimes without evidence for those crimes is a step in the right direction for law enforcement. Sigh...

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I really don't see what difference it makes whether it was a WII controller or a desert eagle. Someone busted Into his home without announcement, armed. If he'd had a gun and shot both officers dead, he's still have been in the right, because it was a fucking armed home invasion.

Civilians don't get a pass when they're walking around in public places with what people can't distinguish as a toy, and cops don't get a pass when they bust into a house such that the residents can't distinguish that it's a cop busting down their door.

When you're under what appears to be a threat civilians get the same pass for reasonable misidentification that cops do.

A case where I grew up: Road rage incident. Car A runs car B off the road, the original cause for the altercation was not reported. The driver of A goes to the rifle rack on the back of his pickup and takes down something--and is promptly shot by both occupants of B which were coming back from the range.

It turns out A was taking down a club, not a gun. No charges filed.

- - - Updated - - -

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

Officer: And that is when we saw Loren flush something down the toilet.
Prosecutor: So clearly a drug deal.
Officer: Yup. We wouldn't make shit up about him flushing.
Prosecutor: Careful there, you barely said that with a straight face.
Loren: Well fuck me.

 

[Jarhyn]

When you're under what appears to be a threat civilians get the same pass for reasonable misidentification that cops do.

A case where I grew up: Road rage incident. Car A runs car B off the road, the original cause for the altercation was not reported. The driver of A goes to the rifle rack on the back of his pickup and takes down something--and is promptly shot by both occupants of B which were coming back from the range.

It turns out A was taking down a club, not a gun. No charges filed.

- - - Updated - - -

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

the issue here is that the cop in the cops-invading-home incident had exactly one right: to be shot dead when they busted down the kid's door. It doesn't matter what he had in the house or if he had a firearm (legal or illegal). The cops were entirely in the wrong. It doesn't matter if he was flushing a Baggie of weed or a kilo of meth. The cops had no warrant, and busted the door down on an ASSUPTION that he had no right to have what they thought he had solely on the basis of his socioeconomic standing.

And how did they gage his economic situation? Largely by race. They effectively broke into his house and murdered a person because they thought he was too black or poor or whatever to have a permit to carry a gun. If he had had a gun, and shot them both, he'd have been entirely right. The circumstance that he didn't doesnt change the wrongness of the illegal home invasion by the police.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

Officer: And that is when we saw Loren flush something down the toilet.
Prosecutor: So clearly a drug deal.
Officer: Yup. We wouldn't make shit up about him flushing.
Prosecutor: Careful there, you barely said that with a straight face.
Loren: Well fuck me.

Video of them dumping the "drugs", not merely a policeman's statement.

They're busting you for cocaine, you flush a white powder. What in the world were you doing other than dumping cocaine??

 

[KeepTalking]

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

Officer: And that is when we saw Loren flush something down the toilet.
Prosecutor: So clearly a drug deal.
Officer: Yup. We wouldn't make shit up about him flushing.
Prosecutor: Careful there, you barely said that with a straight face.
Loren: Well fuck me.

Video of them dumping the "drugs", not merely a policeman's statement.

They're busting you for cocaine, you flush a white powder. What in the world were you doing other than dumping cocaine??

Making toilet bowl gravy?

 

[Shadowy Man]

They're busting you for cocaine, you flush a white powder. What in the world were you doing other than dumping cocaine??

Aren't you putting the cart before the horse. If they don't actually catch you with the cocaine how can they be busting you for cocaine?

What about innocent until proven guilty? How do you prove someone guilty of the crime without the evidence of that crime?

 

[laughing dog]

How about not taking quotes out of context??

It wasn't any better with the full context.

Nobody actually addressed it. How would my proposal result in anyone being wrongly convicted? People are going to destroy fake drugs when raided by the cops??

Officer: And that is when we saw Loren flush something down the toilet.
Prosecutor: So clearly a drug deal.
Officer: Yup. We wouldn't make shit up about him flushing.
Prosecutor: Careful there, you barely said that with a straight face.
Loren: Well fuck me.

Video of them dumping the "drugs", not merely a policeman's statement.

They're busting you for cocaine, you flush a white powder. What in the world were you doing other than dumping cocaine??

Dumping heroin. Or dandruff.