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You have just described yourself down to the last atom.
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US President 2016 - the Great Horse Race
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Hillary best chance of becoming the first lady president in US history is Donald Trump.
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Because that's what's really important.
Maybe this guy should be running. Then there'd be two and he already has government experience.
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They don't need any experience. They have a small army of advisors to call on for advice.
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Yeah, no misogyny there.
What is funny is that Clinton was Secretary of State. Fucking Secretary of State and we are getting these same "inexperienced" arguments that we heard regarding Obama.Maybe this guy should be running. Then there'd be two and he already has government experience.
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Pointing out that much of her appeal comes from her gender alone is not misogyny.
Yes. She has experience. She is just not "most experienced candidate in modern history" like her fans and sycophants love to claim (by adding her 16 years as wife of governor/president as experience). Not by a long shot.
I think she outsourced that job (to Monica among others I am sure) way back in the 90s.
Derec
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No, but while SecState was a quite reliable stepping stone to presidency in the early days of the Republic it has become pretty much a dead end position in more recent history.
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Her gender alone? If you think that her appeal comes from her gender alone, that is a reflection on you, not her.
She certainly isn't the most qualified ever, but you just said her only appeal was her gender. Now you seem to say she does have appeal from experience in other jobs.
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Is that because it is a simple job or people are just peaking there and don't have a chance at the Presidency?
Derec
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It's a reflection of what some of her supporters have said about "first woman president". And I said "much of her appeal", not all of it.
I do not even think she is the most qualified in the current field.
No, I did not.
I do not know the reason but the difference between the first 8 presidents (5 of them were former SecStates) and the subsequent 36 (only one, James Buchanan, was former SecState) is quite glaring.
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Yes. In this case the people have the right to judge her behavior as SecState. Although lying is no big deal for most voters, so her lies about the purpose and content of the private Clinton server will be ignored. Perhaps, if labeled "coverup" it would have more traction.
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That all of your attacks against her are due to her gender alone is misogyny.
George S
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And what is it when the candidate mentions she is female? a misandrist?
So she's the least dickish candidate?
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The news here in Australia is that Trump is the leading Republican candidate. Would Americans really vote for him given a choice between him and Hillary?
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Oh... this is about her supporters, not you.
She is qualified.
No you didn't. That was my error. I misread what you said.
Glaring? Seems to be a passive aggressive way of saying the Sec. of State job isn't something to put on a resume.
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angelo said:
Yes, Trump is currently leading the polls, showing how weak the republican field really is. He has around 20-25% of republican voters, while his closest rivals, Jeb Bush and Walker, hover around 10-15%.
Normally, poll values this early in the game haven't been significant, but this time, FOX news is making early polls the determiner of who gets the airtime, so it MIGHT be different this time around. I was of the opinion that Trump would be a flash in the pan, but I'm not so sure of this now that I've watched the 'respectable' republican candidates stumble about like drunken pirates. I'm not going to be watching the debate tonight, but I will be following the aftermath with interest.
Would americans vote for Trump over Hillary? All signs point to no. He has a very large group that is strongly opposed to him, not only on the democratic side, but also the independent and even the republican side. His nomination would probably result in a Clinton landslide of the proportions not seen since Reagan vs Mondale.
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I was thinking about Trump's lead and it occurred to me why so many of the candidates are struggling. The Tea Party is generally nothing but style with no substance. Trump is the poster child of style and no substance. The Tea Party ilk can't outmaneuver him because he is better at style than they are. Chris Christie is a bit in trouble against Trump because while Christie does have substance, he is also a loud mouth and is trademarked in that category. So say it like it is Christie is being beaten at his game as well. He probably could out do Trump, but he may just be waiting for Trump to end Trump.
Then you have a few other candidates like Kasich and Pataki who have little national name recognition and they know there is nothing to win in picking a fight with Trump. So their polling is low, but only for a while. Though I don't see Pataki having a shot in heck.
Then you have a few other candidates like Kasich and Pataki who have little national name recognition and they know there is nothing to win in picking a fight with Trump. So their polling is low, but only for a while. Though I don't see Pataki having a shot in heck.
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How many times has a single party held office more than the two terms a president serves? Not too often.