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US rent moratorium expired

Doesn't mean that they are lying. And in a NY Times piece supportive of the moratorium has tenants buy new TVs instead of paying rent. Not as brazen as boats, but still shows people misusing the moratorium to freeload.


That's not an argument that it did not happen. People do stupid things all the damn time.
the eviction moratorium isn't a shield against debt collection.
But the moratorium would have to expire first, before the landlord can even attempt to collect back rent.

I’m a huge fan of people paying their bills and doing it on time, including and especially rent. That said, even in my low re t town, you can get a really big tvfor way less than one month’s rent. Normally I’d say tough shit: pay what you can towards rent. But a lot of people have been out of work with not a lot of recreational activities or distractions. I’m not generally a fan of numbing feelings with screens but this year has been rough. If a tv process enough distraction to hold down domestic abuse, child abuse, substance abuse or hell, just depression then it’s a bargain.
 
SCOTUS invalidated Biden's eviction moratorium extension.

Hardly surprising, as even Biden knew his action was illegal.
 
Supreme Court throws out Biden administration eviction moratorium - CNNPolitics
noting
READ: Supreme Court ruling against Biden and CDC's eviction moratorium - CNNPolitics
"Congress was on notice that a further extension would almost surely require new legislation, yet it failed to act in the several weeks leading up to the moratorium's expiration," the court wrote in an unsigned, eight-page opinion.

"If a federally imposed eviction moratorium is to continue, Congress must specifically authorize it," the court said.

The three liberal justices dissented publicly, citing the spike in Covid-19 cases and the Delta variant.
Saying that it's up to Congress to do that.

Mehdi Hasan on Twitter: "100s of 1000s of people, families, kids, could lose their homes because of tonight’s Supreme Court ruling. Dems can either pack the court, or have Congress pass an eviction moratorium. Both would require gutting the filibuster. Both would require spines. Everything else is noise." / Twitter

Sherrilyn Ifill on Twitter: "SCOTUS has ended the eviction moratorium. A reminder: only 1.7 billion of the $46 billion rental aid relief has been disbursed by state and local governments. NY, FL, South Carolina are among the worst offenders in getting this critical aid out to renters. (link)" / Twitter
noting
Most Rental Assistant Funds Not Yet Distributed, Figures Show - The New York Times

That number is for July. The total amount is $5.1 billion.
That cash was slated to be spent over three years, but White House officials — who have spent months pressuring local officials and tweaking the program to make access easier — had hoped states would have spent much more by now.

“About a million payments have now gone out to pay back rent for families — it is starting to help a meaningful number of families,” said Gene Sperling, who oversees the operation of federal pandemic relief programs for President Biden.

“It’s just not close to enough in an emergency like this to protect all the families who need and deserve to be protected. So there is still way more to do and to do fast,” he added.

...
To speed things up, Treasury announced another round of changes to the program, including a directive to local officials that they allow tenants to use self-reported financial information on aid applications as a first, rather than a last, resort, while granting permission for states to send out bulk payments to landlords and utility companies in anticipation of federal payouts to tenants.

They are also expanding existing initiatives to prevent evictions at properties funded by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Agriculture Department and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
 
So, for those who oppose extending the moratorium, what is the solution to this problem?

About 20% of renters in Georgia are behind on their rent. Would it be better to give them more time before being evicted or is it better to have huge numbers of homeless people lining the streets in the midst of a pandemic? I assume that some people have friends or family members they can stay with for now, but I'm sure that many don't have that option.

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/time-bomb-ticking-see-rental-arrears-fulton-county


ATLANTA, GA — A federal moratorium on evictions for renters during the coronavirus pandemic is set to expire Saturday, leaving millions worried about the possibility of losing their homes.

Fulton County is no exception. As of early July, an estimated 34,462 (17.3 percent) of rental households were behind in paying rent, according to a new county-by-county analysis by Surgo Ventures, a nonprofit organization that uses data to analyze health and social problems in communities.

The new analysis found that more than 6 million households nationwide are behind on rent, owing a total of $23 billion.


So, what is the answer, if prolonging the rental moratorium isn't it? What do we do about the 6 million households that are behind on their rent? Is there a way to make it easier for renters and landlords to obtain some of the money that was passed for this problem, during the Trump administration? Why have the states made such a mess of this? If help can't be obtained, is it really a better idea to have millions of new homeless folks living on the street or in poorly maintained shelters, that are often very unsafe?

I don't have the solution, but I don't see ending the moratorium without some type of plan in place to help all those impacted by this problem is such a great idea. Ending the moratorium could lead to worse social and economic problems.
 
As eviction moratorium winds down, Hochul gears up to help renters and landlords | News 4 Buffalo
Kathy Hochul, Andrew Cuomo's successor as NY Governor
Governor Hochul is shifting the state’s emergency rent relief program into high gear. ...

New York has set up $2.7 billion, in state and federal funding, for its Emergency Rental Assistance Program, known as ERAP, but only a fraction of that money has been distributed.

Governor Hochul is adding people to process applications and insists the state will do better.

“I want the money out now, I want it out with no more excuses and delays,” said Governor Hochul.

Within hours of taking over the reins of state government, Governor Kathy Hochul made it crystal clear she is not at all satisfied with the pace emergency rental assistance is getting out.

...
“New Yorkers should know, if you apply and qualify for this money, you will be protected from eviction for a solid year. Let me repeat, if you apply and qualify, you will not be evicted for a year,” Governor Hochul added.
Let's see how well she does. Inadequate disbursement of assistance money has been a big problem.


One of the activists behind extension of the moratorium:
Cori Bush on Twitter: "We were outside the Capitol for 5 days. Rain. Heat. Cold.

If they think this partisan ruling is going to stop us from fighting to keep people housed, they’re wrong.

Congress needs to act immediately. For every unhoused or soon to be unhoused person in our districts." / Twitter
 
About 20% of renters in Georgia are behind on their rent. Would it be better to give them more time before being evicted or is it better to have huge numbers of homeless people lining the streets in the midst of a pandemic? I assume that some people have friends or family members they can stay with for now, but I'm sure that many don't have that option.

It's been almost a year and a half. How much time do they need? Had the October extension been upheld, do you think they'd be ready?

Patch said:
The new analysis found that more than 6 million households nationwide are behind on rent, owing a total of $23 billion.

Employers are seeking people to work, but many choose instead to sit on their ass all day, collect extended unemployment and extended child tax credit and not pay rent. That is not sustainable, and giving people more taxpayer moneys for rent is not a real long-term solution either.

Or, to quote Offspring ...
Well, I guess it ain't easy doing nothing at all, oh yeah
But, hey man, free rides just don't come along every day
[...]
Na-na, why don't you get a job?
Say no way, say no way-ah, no way
Na-na, why don't you get a job?


So, what is the answer, if prolonging the rental moratorium isn't it? What do we do about the 6 million households that are behind on their rent? Is there a way to make it easier for renters and landlords to obtain some of the money that was passed for this problem, during the Trump administration?

In the long run the solution is not to have government pay people's rent. And even in the short term those funds should go to people truly in need, and not for people who choose not to pay rent because they think they don't have to.
In the long term the solution is for people to go back to work.

I don't have the solution, but I don't see ending the moratorium without some type of plan in place to help all those impacted by this problem is such a great idea. Ending the moratorium could lead to worse social and economic problems.
And keep it for how much longer? At what cost?

In any case, the issue for SCOTUS was not whether it was a legal policy but whether Biden/CDC has the legal power to impose this moratorium. If the Dems want to extend it, they are free to pass a law. Biden is president, he cannot just rule by decree.
 
Derec by the tone of your response it seems you favor heavy regulation, the use of more government to take more of pie meant for those who are in trouble in troubled times. Not very libertarian. Obviously oversight should be part of package but only to the extent of posing a visible threat to scofflaws. surely there are methods to attain such control at low cost and high efficiency and effectiveness.

As for the court it's mantra should be justice rather than letter of law. Seems to me that if the issue with disbursement is in failed government that those targeted by such failures should be provided first hearing. Money has been appropriated, need exists, management is problem. Fix management.
 
Derec by the tone of your response it seems you favor heavy regulation, the use of more government to take more of pie meant for those who are in trouble in troubled times.
Huh? Not at all. The eviction moratorium is heavy hand of government, and as it turns out, an illegal one as it was implemented.

Not very libertarian. Obviously oversight should be part of package but only to the extent of posing a visible threat to scofflaws. surely there are methods to attain such control at low cost and high efficiency and effectiveness.
Then we agree. Trust, but verify.

As for the court it's mantra should be justice rather than letter of law.
No, it should be the constitution. The idea that the executive's powers are limited is a foundational idea of our system of government.

Fix management.
Easier said than done.
 
Pressley Statement on SCOTUS Ruling on Federal Eviction Moratorium | Representative Ayanna Pressley
Today’s decision by the Supreme Court to invalidate the CDC’s eviction moratorium is yet another devastating blow to the millions of vulnerable renters who once again find themselves at risk of being unhoused as COVID cases rise nationwide. With just over half of people in the United States fully vaccinated, breakthrough infections surging, and only 11 percent of federal emergency rental assistance funds distributed by states and localities, policymakers at all levels of government must act with urgency to prevent the impending eviction crisis and the trauma that would accompany it.
Following SCOTUS Ruling, Pressley, Bush, Gomez, Ocasio-Cortez and Colleagues Call on Congress to Act on Eviction Moratorium | Representative Ayanna Pressley
Joining Reps. Pressley, Bush, Gomez and Ocasio-Cortez in sending the letter are Reps. Grace Meng, Jan Schakowsky, James P. McGovern, Raúl M. Grijalva, Suzanne Bonamici, Rick Larsen, Mark Takano, Betty McCollum, Marie Newman, Frederica S. Wilson, Mike Doyle, Pramila Jayapal, Nanette Diaz Barragán, Jamaal Bowman, David N. Cicilline, Diana DeGette, Henry C. “Hank” Johnson Jr. , Jesús G. “Chuy” García, Alan Lowenthal, Veronica Escobar, Bonnie Watson Coleman, Darren Soto, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Nydia M. Velázquez, Andy Levin, Rashida Tlaib, Barbara Lee, Debbie Dingell, Jim Cooper, Carolyn B. Maloney, Bobby L. Rush, Nikema Williams, Alma S. Adams, Ph.D., Yvette D.Clarke, Ilhan Omar, Brenda L. Lawrence, Adam B. Schiff, Ruben Gallego, Kaiali‘i Kahele, Teresa Leger Fernandez, Dwight Evans, Jared Huffman, Al Green, Adriano Espaillat, Linda T. Sánchez, Gregory Meeks, Ritchie Torres, Earl Blumenauer, Gerald E. Connolly, Robert C. "Bobby" Scott, Danny K. Davis, Jamie Raskin, Ro Khanna, Michael F.Q. San Nicolas, Gwen Moore, Jerrold Nadler, Brian Higgins, Mark Pocan, Madeleine Dean and Mondaire Jones.

AP isn't some Janey-come-lately. Just before the expiration at the end of last July:
Pressley, Colleagues Renew Calls for White House to Extend Federal Eviction Moratorium | Representative Ayanna Pressley

It would take a lot of arm-twisting and lots of bailout of landlords, I think.
 
Derec by the tone of your response it seems you favor heavy regulation, the use of more government to take more of pie meant for those who are in trouble in troubled times. Not very libertarian. Obviously oversight should be part of package but only to the extent of posing a visible threat to scofflaws. surely there are methods to attain such control at low cost and high efficiency and effectiveness.

As for the court it's mantra should be justice rather than letter of law. Seems to me that if the issue with disbursement is in failed government that those targeted by such failures should be provided first hearing. Money has been appropriated, need exists, management is problem. Fix management.

I don't think Derec has ever claimed to be a libertarian. Certainly not a "Big-L" Libertarian.

He has claimed to mostly vote for democrats, and his politics seem to be moderate right-wing (in the US context), which makes sense if he tends to vote Democratic.
 
This is something.
Diane Standaert on Twitter: "Scene in online eviction court today: ..." / Twitter
Scene in online eviction court today: Landlord tells the judge,"She applied for the rent relief program. I haven't given the program the information they asked for.I don't want their money. Even if I got the money, I'd give it back." Judge granted landlord's request to evict her.

My story is from the South, but similar stories just like it are coming in from all over. Below are just a few. This is why #RentHelp must get directly to the tenants, and quickly. Have more stories? Drop them here.

1. "Here in LA, (major Corp) property managers for my elderly in-laws who lost their jobs due to COVID denied their request to use the city’s rent relief for the same reason.They just didn’t want to fill out the form and would rather the unit churn"

2. From Tennessee: "We heard "It's a voluntary program" from judges as they evicted regardless of application status."

3. In WV: "I've seen this happen in WV also. The non profit I work for was ready to pay rent for a family. The Landlord refused to answer our letters and calls. Get to court, he tells the judge he doesn't want the money. Judge gave the family 45 days to vacate."

4. "I filled out the paperwork for my friend. The people who run the program are still waiting for his landlord to supply his paperwork. It's been about three months. The landlords should be held accountable if they won't work with the program."

5. "Omg going through this right now, sounds like my landlord. I still don't know if they are going to withdraw the "5 day quit or pay rent" I am only this month and a water bill behind, wants late charge if paid after the first. Get their checks in 3 weeks."

6. "my family is apart of a program like this. they aren’t requiring landlords to participate in the program to get the funds bc of this. landlords don’t want to keep the tenants. they want to raise the rent and kick us out"

7. "I worked for a rent relief program in michigan and this was a constant issue. Landlords refused to take free money because it wasn’t coming from their (unemployed and often disabled) client."

8. "In 2016, I became homeless because our landlord refused to accept payment a few days late despite advanced notice and an allowance in our lease. The judge sided with the landlord."

9. "While I was doing rental assistance I had landlords reach out asking to return fund bc they no longer wanted to house their tenants.. even if we paid past/future months. All because they already had a list of ppl wanting their space.. gentrification is a bitch"

10. "No surprise here. I've asked why these landlords did not go after the states to process the rent payments.They seek to punish those they think have benefited from pandemic relief funding aka the poor. Same reason why TX is taking months to process new unemployment claims."

11. "I’ve had this problem with clients trying to request assistance and then their landlord denies to sign the paperwork. Just take the money!!!"

12. "The application in my town is 16 pages long, online, and requires the landlord to sign off on it and give tax ID and bank acct info. That isn't going to work with a lot of landlords because they don't want to wait when they have a tight market."

13. "Dang... I now of an instance that this happened in DC...the persons credit was RUINED... all bc of an uncoperative landlord...Directly into the hands of the tenants... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!"

Here's what you can do:
☑️Contact/tag your member of Congress: Tell them to make sure landlords can't block #RentHelp to tenants.
☑️Tell judges in your community: don't allow evictions to proceed if the #RentHelp is available.
☑️Need #RentHelp? Go here:
Find rental assistance programs for your location | Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Donna Imam on Twitter: "Why wasn’t the federal pandemic rental assistance DIRECTLY distributed to renters?" / Twitter
 
This is something.

Yeah, it's something.
It's thirteen anecdotes suggesting that landlords don't want to get paid.

That's about as plausible as Jesus's Resurrection.
Tom
 
I don't think Derec has ever claimed to be a libertarian. Certainly not a "Big-L" Libertarian.

That's right. I lean small-l libertarian on personal behavior issues like legalization of marijuana or of sex work. On the latter, the Dems and Reps are both equally horrible, albeit for different reasons.

He has claimed to mostly vote for democrats, and his politics seem to be moderate right-wing (in the US context), which makes sense if he tends to vote Democratic.

I would not call it right-wing, but you seem to think Democrats are right-wing, so ...
 
This is something.

Yeah, it's something.
It's thirteen anecdotes suggesting that landlords don't want to get paid.

That's about as plausible as Jesus's Resurrection.
Tom

It suggests that either landlords don't want marginal tenants, or that they don't trust the government program will actually pay them.
 
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