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Utah nurse arrested for following Constitution

 
 
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
RavenSky said:
As an aside, some articles have the Salt Lake City police department splitting hairs by insisting Nurse Alex Wubbles was never arrested. Jeff Payne grabbed her and said "You are under arrest" before cuffing her. If that is not "under arrest", what is?
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If it wasn't a true arrest, then it sounds like a false arrest.
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Can you sue for 'really really convincing arrest cosplay'?
 
RavenSky said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
...it turns out the patient was actually a cop. His full-time job was driving a truck but he was a reserve officer in Rigby. Here is Rigby Police Department on it:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1283530118423671&id=981095758667110
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Oh boy, Jeff Payne is in for a world of hurt now

First he tries his bully act on a nurse, a profession that is well respected (deservedly so) by the general public

Second, the nurse is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white woman. We won't have racists crawling out of the woodwork to make fun of her name, or dig up dirt (real or imagined) to defame her.

And now, it turns out that the innocent victim Payne wanted to draw blood from is a cop, too?

I predict Jeff Payne will be fired.

As an aside, some articles have the Salt Lake City police department splitting hairs by insisting Nurse Alex Wubbles was never arrested. Jeff Payne grabbed her and said "You are under arrest" before cuffing her. If that is not "under arrest", what is?
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To contort a phrase from the neo-con rape endorsement, "People who are innocent have no problem with being arrested". :D
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
It looks like that hospital has clamped down on cops. Cop now have to sign in at the front desk. They are no longer allowed to interact with patients or nurses or doctors. They have to go through administrators officially. They will have to follow the law, and won't be allowed to wander in that hospital at will. Its nice to see the hospital read them the riot act.
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I was very happy to read about this earlier today, too.

I think the hospital should call it the "Payne Rule" so that every cop is regularly reminded of who has now made their jobs that much harder because of his authoritarian outburst.
 
Salt Lake City police officer arrests nurse for not breaking the law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.f65be2328428

Salt Lake City police are involved in a pursuit. The suspect crosses the and hits a semi head on. The suspect dies at the scene and the semi driver is sent to the hospital with severe burns and other injuries.

Officer Payne arrives at the burn unit in order to get a blood draw from the driver of the semi. Head nurse Wubbels tells officer Payne that neither she nor her nurses would draw the blood because the police didn't have a warrant and the patient was unconscious and couldn't give consent.

Officer Payne snapped and arrested the nurse.

This happened a month ago and nothing happened until the video got released by Wubbels' attorney.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41179342

Officer Payne fired from his ambulance gig but still employed by SLC PD.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/...-wubbels.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Utah hospital tells SLC PD their officers are no longer welcome in their patient care areas. Officer Payne still employed by SLC PD.
 
Thanks for moving my post mods, didn't see this thread.
 
Besides the obvious, this is another great reason for body cameras on cops. Most of them won't care, only those who routinely abuse their authority will scream persecution. It's a great way to weed out the ones who should never have been cops in the first place, the ones on ego trips or who are just plain stupid or unfit for duty.
 
Every cop present should be fired. They did nothing to help Nurse Wubbels from being assaulted by their brother in blue. Especially the university cops.

And then put their eyes out.
 
ZiprHead said:
The union will defend the officers. Not because it wants to, which it might, but because it has to.
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Exactly. I've sat in on management/union disciplinary hearings, and no matter the charge, the union argues that the employee shouldn't be punished. I recall one incident where two employees were having an altercation, and decided to have a duel with forklifts on the factory floor. I had to stifle laughter as the union rep tried to defend their actions.
 
hurtinbuckaroo said:
ZiprHead said:
The union will defend the officers. Not because it wants to, which it might, but because it has to.
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Exactly. I've sat in on management/union disciplinary hearings, and no matter the charge, the union argues that the employee shouldn't be punished. I recall one incident where two employees were having an altercation, and decided to have a duel with forklifts on the factory floor. I had to stifle laughter as the union rep tried to defend their actions.
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Yeah, it does get silly sometimes but, like lawyers, they are required to provide the best defense to their members.
 
ZiprHead said:
hurtinbuckaroo said:
Exactly. I've sat in on management/union disciplinary hearings, and no matter the charge, the union argues that the employee shouldn't be punished. I recall one incident where two employees were having an altercation, and decided to have a duel with forklifts on the factory floor. I had to stifle laughter as the union rep tried to defend their actions.
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Yeah, it does get silly sometimes but, like lawyers, they are required to provide the best defense to their members.
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Well, if so, then I hope it is a flaccid attempt of defense.
 
Another follow-up...

Recall that the accident victim in the hospital was actually a police officer.

He passed away on Sept 25th.

He probably needed his blood and may have received blood transfusions since his burns were extensive.

Salt Lake City, UTAH (KIFI/KIDK) - William "Bill" Gray passed away Monday night, according to the Rigby Police Department.

He was a reserve officer for the Rigby Police Department and a semi truck driver.

Gray was taken to the University of Utah burn center following a fiery crash near Logan, Utah back in July.

A suspect running from Utah Highway Patrol ended up swerving into Gray's truck. The suspect died at the scene.

Gray had burns on 46% of his body and has been in hospital ever since.

The Rigby Police Department said in a post on Facebook that Gray died Monday night after a long hard fight.
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http://www.localnews8.com/news/kifi...dies-from-injuries-after-july-crash/626568039
 
Speaking of lawsuits. It is awful to read he not only didn't survive the injuries, but he struggled with such terrible injuries at the end. Didn't know he was an officer.
 
RavenSky said:
I didn't realize the truck driver died :-(
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I didn't realize exactly how critical his condition was when the police came to get his blood. I mean he had 46% body burns. Taking blood could have been a risk to his health.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
RavenSky said:
I didn't realize the truck driver died :-(
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I didn't realize exactly how critical his condition was when the police came to get his blood. I mean he had 46% body burns. Taking blood could have been a risk to his health.
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I don't know the risk of taking blood, but 46% burns gives you about 50:50 on survival.
 
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