Vaccines, Vaccinations Discussions

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Blood clots surge

What if this is misinformation and you are spreading it? Do you think that would be proper for you to spread misinformation?

This was a live Senate hearing, allowing for both sides of the aisle to speak their minds. This has nothing to do with my spreading anything.

Republicans hold the majority and set the agenda. And there is a giant misinformed title on your video.

I don't believe that's true. There were both sides there. Watch it, and you'll see for yourself.

Both sides present does not mean both sides set the agenda or invite guests. Those things are determined in committee by voting. So the majority decides that. And there is a giant misinformed title on your video.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

 

[scombrid]

Opening post of this thread starts the dishonest “just asking questions” rhetorical device and it goes for page after page. It only pretends to be honest inquiry. Honest inquiry is good. JAQ is not it.

 

[peacegirl]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

 

[pood]

Is the earth really mostly round, or could it be flat? I don’t know myself, I would just like to explore both sides of the controversy. Teach the controversy!

Some of the best, brightest people say it is flat.

Many people, some of the best and brightest, say that evolution is false and the earth is 6,000 years old.

I dunno myself. I am JAQing off.

 

[bilby]

All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe

Which is an impossible demand.

Please feel free to refute me, by the extremely simple expedient of providing an example of study that proves something - anything - is safe.

That's all I am asking for.

 

[pood]

Is water safe?

Not if you drown.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

 

[ZiprHead]

Also, this one...

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Who is giving her this false information and how do they benefit?

The kid in the picture is older than four months. Way older.

Per Gemini:

Most babies learn to sit up without support between 6 and 9 months old. While they may begin to sit with assistance or in a "tripod" position (leaning forward on hands) around 4-6 months, they typically develop the core, back, and neck strength for independent, stable sitting by 7-8 months.

 

[peacegirl]

Is the earth really mostly round, or could it be flat? I don’t know myself, I would just like to explore both sides of the controversy. Teach the controversy!

Some of the best, brightest people say it is flat.

Many people, some of the best and brightest, say that evolution is false and the earth is 6,000 years old.

I dunno myself. I am JAQing off.

That is the dumbest response yet. I didn't think it could get any dumber, but I was wrong.

 

[peacegirl]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots. It's about whether Covid vaccines actually saved as many lives as was claimed, and whether the fallout of adverse events that many people experienced was worth the risk.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

 

[peacegirl]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.

You can have a high degree of confidence that these concerns based completely on ignorance will most likely turn out to be bullshit, because of how many of the concerns are bullshit.

 

[peacegirl]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.

You can have a high degree of confidence that these concerns based completely on ignorance will most likely turn out to be bullshit, because of how many of the concerns are bullshit.

If these concerns based on ignorance turn out to be bullshit, then that will change the tide back to people getting every vaccine recommended without a drop of hesitation.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.

You can have a high degree of confidence that these concerns based completely on ignorance will most likely turn out to be bullshit, because of how many of the concerns are bullshit.

If these concerns based on ignorance turn out to be bullshit, then that will change the tide back to people getting every vaccine recommended without a drop of hesitation.

Nope, seeing as they already have been determined to be bullshit, and the delusional beliefs persist. And just because a lot of people believe a concern is valid, that does not make the concern valid in any sense.

 

[peacegirl]

To state it simply, peacegirl.

Your post implies that vaccines cause blood clots.

The research shows that COVID causes blood clots. Vaccines help to PREVENT COVID.

So the opposite is true, but you haven't acknowledged Don2's post.

They discussed this. This hearing was eye-opening. All they were asking was for the studies that proved the COVID-19 vaccines were safe, which the other side couldn't provide.

This article supports the COVID vaccine to be used because the risks outweigh the benefits, but clearly states that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine in some people.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/8/833

So? Covid causes more blood clots than the JJ vaccine. So the benefits outweigh risks. I actually already told you this: blood clots are far more correlated to covid than the vaccines.

I get that. I will continue to listen to both sides, as it's not just about blood clots.

It's always going to be about something else. That's the way conspiracy theories work. They'll claim it's part of alien technology. You debunk it. Then they claim abortions are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then, they claim nanobots are in the vaccines. You debunk that. Then they claim they cause 74% of blood clot deaths. Then you debunk that. They have an agenda which is why they will always be making up stuff. It won't stop. To just ignore the pattern is not being open-minded to both sides. It's being afraid of letting go of faith in their cult.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I agree that anyone concerned about vaccines may give false testimony about things that don't exist, but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that DO exist. You cannot disagree with all just because you disagree with one.

You can have a high degree of confidence that these concerns based completely on ignorance will most likely turn out to be bullshit, because of how many of the concerns are bullshit.

If these concerns based on ignorance turn out to be bullshit, then that will change the tide back to people getting every vaccine recommended without a drop of hesitation.

Nope, seeing as they already have been determined to be bullshit, and the delusional beliefs persist. And just because a lot of people believe a concern is valid, that does not make the concern valid in any sense.

I agree that it's not the number of people who believe something is valid. It's not a popularity contest. It's whether something has been proven to be valid or not.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

peacegirl, it's all a matter of statistics.

Without vaccination, your loved ones are part of a large population at great risk of dying or being disabled from a number of really nasty, but preventable, diseases.

With vaccination your loved ones run a vanishingly small risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccination and another vanishingly small risk of contracting a mild case of the disease.

Unvaccinated in a population which is mainly vaccinated they provide a pool of vectors which keeps those diseases from being eradicated and are a danger to those who medically can't get the vaccine, and they STILL carry the risk of dying or being disabled from a number of really nasty, but preventable, diseases.

It's a greater risk to those individuals you love and are trying to protect AND it's a selfish choice, in terms of the wider society and future public health.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But what about the unvaccinated children who are doing just fine?

Sick children aren't fine.

I'm talking about the unvaccinated who are robust with no chronic illnesses that some vaccinated individuals have. Maybe there is no causal connection, but I would want to see the long-term studies, which is the responsible thing to do.

Real world the infection rate for measles is approximately 100%.

Your robust with no chronic illness kid is nothing like safe. Probably not 1 in 1,000 deadly, but still quite deadly and remember that most things which might kill also might maim. The ones who didn't quite die probably aren't ever going to be the same again. Any problem, not just measles.

Chicken Pox and Measles used to be a disease typically all children would get. So you are easily encouraging children to get sick.

Yes, they got these illnesses, and got over them. They got lifetime protection. They even had chicken pox parties. I'm not sure if they have them anymore.

They get the illnesses and most get over them. Not all. They had chicken pox parties because it's less deadly if you have it earlier in life.

Know what else they used to do long ago: variolization. It came before vaccines. Deliberate transdermal infection with smallpox. Fatality rate was ~1%. But it was still better than the alternative.

Most Russian Roulette players survive.

Why should you be concerned if most children are vaccinated? Are you upset that the unvaccinated are getting the benefits of the vaccinated? What is it? The unvaccinated can't hurt your vaccinated child, so why can't you let it go?

Oh cool, the argument has switched allegedly from science (*insert baseless Youtube video*) to an attack on me being overbearing. Adorable!

Huh? I am just asking a legitimate question as to why the pro-vaxxers are so concerned about the anti-vaxxers when the majority of children get vaccinated, although that may be changing. I've asked this question before, but no one has answered.

I can see the need for you to make the emotional ploy because you have no science to back your repugnant stance that sick children are "doing just fine".

Why are you twisting my words? That's not what I said, nor is it what I meant, and you know it.

He's not twisting your words, you are avoiding confronting the horrible reality of your position.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/04/16/congress/rfk-preventive-task-force-obamacare-insurance-00876202

RFK Jr. will remake panel that determines which preventative services insurers must cover​

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Thursday he’s overhauling a group of external experts who decide what medical services are preventive and must be covered fully by insurers under the Affordable Care Act.

He will probably eliminate required vaccine coverage for insurers under the ACA.

Ultimately, this is what Trump and the oligarchy want: an end to social programs for the poor and vulnerable. I guess this is why Trump and RFK Jr were such a good fit.

That has never been the goal Don2. Vaccines are still available for those who want them. Nothing is being taken away. My only concern is having real choice, not appearances.

Your continual belief that he intends good does not remotely match up with what we observe. Everything we see him do (and most everything we see this administration do) is replace competence with toadies.

And it has been the goal. He's trying to define autism as a vaccine side effect. That will eliminate all vaccination in the country. No choice.

And we've already seen what's happening. Refuse to consider a new vaccine application despite providing the agreed-upon tests, the company stopped all vaccine development. Just because they don't go pointing out how they plan to do evil doesn't mean they're not going to.

This tracks with how major insurance companies have previously responded to recent vaccine policy changes under Trump. Multiple insurance companies and industry associations told PolitiFact these insurers will continue to cover the same vaccines they covered before.

How court ruling on vaccine policy affects insurance

Even as the Trump administration has changed vaccine recommendations, major insurance companies have largely continued to cover vaccines the U.S. government previously recommended. A recent court ruling hasn’t altered that.

www.politifact.com

Insurance covering them won't do you any good if they don't exist.