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So... how will the anti-feminists try to twist this into a claim that men are the real victims in all of this? You know they're going to find a way.

Also, are we allowed to point out that when anti-feminist issue lots of anonymous death threats and anonymous rape threats to someone who was uppity enough to speak out for feminism, that perhaps the people they send these threats to have a right to be afraid? Or are they "persecuting" men by suggesting that there is something wrong with all of those anonymous death threats and anonymous rape threats?

Lastly, since the anti-feminists argue that all feminists should be judged by the wackiest and most unhinged fringes of the feminist movement, doesn't this mean that we can now judge all anti-feminists by these murderers?
 
Underseer said:
Lastly, since the anti-feminists argue that all feminists should be judged by the wackiest and most unhinged fringes of the feminist movement, doesn't this mean that we can now judge all anti-feminists by these murderers?
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She was murdered by her roommate -- is he among the people that sent one of the anonymous death/rape threats?
 
What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.
 
Was she murdered by her roommate becasuse of her "vocal feminism"? Or because she got in a fight with her roommate about neglecting household chores, or similar circumstances? One of the links I saw said a motive hasn't been determined yet. To declare she was killed because of her feminism seems a bit reckless and premature at this point. Much like claiming an evangelical Christian was killed because of his vocalness about Christianity.
 
From the first link cited in the OP
.... the men's rugby team at UMW as an example of her claims, pointing to a chant of the team's that supposedly mentioned “violence against women, including murder and battery, sexual violence against women, including assault necrophilia, and rape.”
Since her death in April, Steven Vander Briel, a former UMW rugby player, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder, according to The Washington Post.
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Connecting the dots, the roommatee was a former UMW rugby player.
 
Trausti said:
What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.
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They were both college students. There were also two other women living in the college house. None had relationships with any of the others. Basically co-ed dorms. Nothing strange about that :shrug:
 
Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.
 
I don't think there needs to be any sort of direct connecting of the murderer to specific threats, or even to the rugby team. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the team was part of her murder, or that it was any sort of conspiracy among the people making the social media threats to kill her.

Rather, it appears that perhaps, in an atmosphere of anti-feminist vitriol, someone went from anonymous rape and death threats, to acting out and killing her.

It is possible that the murder was simply your garden variety college campus rapist/murderer; but given his background I think it is probable that there is a connection between her feminist activities and him killing her. The murderer was at one point a member of the rugby team which was specifically targeted by the feminist group because of the rugby team's misogynistic team chant. Members of the rugby team was also known to be part of the rape threats, though I have not yet seem reports that this man was identified as making social media threats. Given the cowardly anonymous nature of those types of misogynistic ranting, though, I'm not surprised.

It will be interesting to hear what he says about his own motives.
 
These cadences are part homosocial bonding I think. Bonding without acknowledging the vulnerability of rejection maybe? I am not sure.

I remember one from my time in the 9th grade at a military high school:

Gangbang Lola, gangbang Lola
Whose gonna gang bang Lola when we go overseas?
Some girls use a tampon, some girls use a rag
But Lola's pussy is so damn big she uses a duffel bag.

This song was done when we marched well away from the main campus into the woods nearby. There was some small level of positive aspect to it I think, in the middle of much negativity. Probably you could be able to find a reasonable substitute for this cadence to get the same level of release from the pressure of being in a military high school and bond the students, but I don't think it is a major issue as is.

The best substitute that comes to mind would be a Haka:



But maybe these rugby guys were just getting off on the rush of doing something wrong and edgy. Hard to do in this current age without it coming out.
 
Its a pretty big leap to go from a bunch of dumb punks chanting sexist, racist and/or homophobic songs to actually killing someone simply because of their race, gender or sexual orientation. It's pretty rare, I'd think.
 
Trausti said:
What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.
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Um, what are you trying to imply?
 
J842P said:
Trausti said:
What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.
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Um, what are you trying to imply?
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I should have thought it obvious. All people go bad once they're on the wrong side of 30. He was a ticking time bomb.
 
Underseer said:
Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.
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That's OK. It's actually kind of cute when you go on your misguided rants. It's like having our own little version of Emily Litella:

 
thebeave said:
Its a pretty big leap to go from a bunch of dumb punks chanting sexist, racist and/or homophobic songs to actually killing someone simply because of their race, gender or sexual orientation. It's pretty rare, I'd think.
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It's a part of dehumanizing a group that some find threatening. Just as burning crosses contributed to an atmosphere that have implicit permission to some sick individuals to engage in firebbing churches and lynching people for...registering to vote.
 
Metaphor said:
Underseer said:
Lastly, since the anti-feminists argue that all feminists should be judged by the wackiest and most unhinged fringes of the feminist movement, doesn't this mean that we can now judge all anti-feminists by these murderers?
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She was murdered by her roommate -- is he among the people that sent one of the anonymous death/rape threats?
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Yeah, this sounds like domestic violence, not anti-feminist sentiment.

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Underseer said:
Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.
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"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".
 
J842P said:
Trausti said:
What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.
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Um, what are you trying to imply?
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He's trying to imply that there's no evidence currently that the murder had anything to do with her politics.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Metaphor said:
She was murdered by her roommate -- is he among the people that sent one of the anonymous death/rape threats?
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Yeah, this sounds like domestic violence, not anti-feminist sentiment.

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Underseer said:
Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.
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"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".
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If I were a betting man, I would say that the feminist and the rugby roommate guy were having a previously undisclosed, unknown love affair. Strangulation deaths are very personal tend to be more common when passion and intimacy are involved.
 
thebeave said:
If I were a betting man, I would say that the feminist and the rugby roommate guy were having a previously undisclosed, unknown love affair. Strangulation deaths are very personal tend to be more common when passion and intimacy are involved.
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Would your conjecture change if you found out the cause of the strangulation was a plastic bag stuffed down her throat? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html
 
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