Was Jesus a jerk?

[bilby]

A good preacher, like a good teacher, is a dialectician.

Great, you can re-wire my house for me.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No Robots: Its not about "becoming Jewish"...

Matt. 7. [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

There has to be a change in consciousness in order to become ONE with "The Father", and only THEN shall we be doing His will...

It is Judaism that provides the only sure path to the ONE.

So the key is no pork products?

 

[steve_bank]

If we are all going to become Jewish does ta mane men will have to all be cocumcized?

 

[steve_bank]

In our western liberal democracies we are all free to freely philosophize and theologize as we will. Would not have it any other way.

And yet you are constantly belly-aching about people doing just that.

Obviously you have a Jesus complex. You think you are Jesus come to save us all.

Another fondational prociple of our westsrn systems is to impune, criticize, complain, mock, parody, and satire.

You are free to preach whatver your version of Jesus is, I am free to criticize and mock.

The onus is on you to support your hypothesis that the world is becoming Jewish, which so far you have not done.

Wha is yur evdence hat the word Jewish comminity is inherenty soicsts, a term which yiur are unable to define in the context of your assertion.

The typical Christians on the forum sare far more well prepared.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No Robots: Its not about "becoming Jewish"...

Matt. 7. [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

There has to be a change in consciousness in order to become ONE with "The Father", and only THEN shall we be doing His will...

It is Judaism that provides the only sure path to the ONE.

While I fight the urge to make a potty joke, where in the heck is the path in Judiasm? The Tanakh is just one long series of books that are trying to come to grips with the underperformance of Yahweh as a deity.

 

[No Robots]

Waton on the divine value of atheism:

And now a question presents itself: Since our thoughts are the. tl1ouglits of God, how can we explain atheism? Will God implant in us atheistic thoughts to deny the existence of God? The answer is, yes, God implants in us atheistic thoughts to deny him. Know that God himself is an atheist. What is atheism? Atheism is a negation of God, and all existence is a negation of God. God could bring out existence only by negating himself. The assertion of the Will of God is pure atheism. On the other hand, the assertion of the Love of God is pure religion. Here, then, we see the secret of atheism and religion. All work of the Will of God is atheistic; it is a work of division, splitting up, analysis and separation. On the other hand, all work of the Love of God is religious; it is a work of integration, unification, synthesis and consolidation. Any function in the direction of divisibility and destruction is atheistic ; and any function towards unity and construction is religious. Both functions are necessary, and both functions are divine. There are times when old systems, old institutions, old beliefs and old modes of life must be destroyed. Whoever is called upon to perform this work is atheistic, whether he knows it or not. Then there are times when new systems, new institutions, new beliefs and new modes of life are to be established. Whoever is called upon to perform this work is religious, whether he knows it or not. Take the case of the Russian communists. They are avowed atheists, and are determined to destroy religion. But this is only half true. They have a great atheistic function to perform, to destroy an old order with its institutions, beliefs, ideas and modes of life. In so far as they do this work, they are atheists. But they also have a gigantic work of construction, to build up a new order of society with new beliefs, ideas, institutions and modes of life. In this respect the Russian communists are the most religious people on earth. Their religious nature manifests itself in their sincere endeavor to subordinate their personal, individualistic and selfish aims and purposes to requirements, aims and purposes of society. Can a nobler religious attitude be conceived? That the Russian communists believe that they will destroy religion is immaterial, for they cannot determine the consequences of their deeds. They are merely the tools in the hands of God, to clear the world of old beliefs, ideas and institutions that have outlived their usefulness, and prepare the ground for higher beliefs, more universal ideas and nobler institutions. There is a time to destroy, and there is a time to build; there is a time to be atheistic, and there is a time to be religious. Atheism is just as divine as religion is, for both are the work of God. When we perceive this truth, then we can truly sympathize with the atheist, and sympathy he truly deserves, that God has chosen him to do the work of destruction rather than the work of construction.

 

[Playball40]

And, speaking of Jefferson, the guy was a slave owner. Sure, he did some good things, and was probably an atheist, but I certainly wouldn't praise any of the racist founders of the US as morally superior, regardless of their beliefs concerning religious mythology.

And a rapist

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There probably was some guy named Jesus who had a lot of influence back in the day, but since the NT was written decades after the death of the guy named Jesus, we really know very little about him or his character.

Oddly, I think we are left knowing a lot more about Paul in the New Testament than we'd ever would be told about Jesus. It is funny how Jesus the Liberal/Socialist would be presented so little influence in the actual New Testament. The New Testament isn't about liberalism or socialism. It is about why you should believe Paul and the head people in this Judaic cult and join their cult.

And, speaking of Jefferson, the guy was a slave owner. Sure, he did some good things, and was probably an atheist, but I certainly wouldn't praise any of the racist founders of the US as morally superior, regardless of teir beliefs concerning religious mythology.

I thought it was clear that Jefferson was a deist or weak Christian.

Just be as kind as possible and treat others like you'd like to be treated. That's not just a Christian thing. It's part of all or most religious and positive secular philosophies. I wish there was more of it in our society these days, instead of the hate and division we see everyday.

Buddhism beat them to it, and in much broader scope, by hundreds of years! And Asian philosophy is touching on details before Jesus too. Funny, god's people getting to the truth later than the Asiatics.

 

[No Robots]

Buddhism and Brahmanism stem from the same root, and both are abominable. See what these two systems accomplished! More than 350 million Hindus and Dravidians, living in their own country, and having lived there for more than four thousand years, and yet they are remained thousands of years behind progress, and now are the most backward and helpless race on earth. 350 million Hindus cannot defend themselves against a handful of foreigners! India is a country of poverty, dirt, filth, famine, disease, superstition, castes and slavery. By the fruit ye shall know.

The European admirers of Buddhism, when closely examined, turn out to be just as vain, selfish and incompetent as the Buddhist monks are. They pretend an admiration for Buddhism to cover up their vanity, their selfishness and their incompetency. Once you pretend to admire Buddhism, you are absolved from all duty to your fellow men, and you find a ready excuse for your incompetency. Why achieve greatness in the material world, and in the intellectual and the spiritual world! Buddhism perceived profound truths; but, first, these truths had been discovered by others long before; secondly, Buddha and his followers never understood those truths. Buddhism recognized the negative aspect of existence, but failed to recognize the positive aspect of existence. For this reason Buddhism involved superstitions, and became a superstition.

 

[Thomas II]

Waton on the divine value of atheism:

And now a question presents itself: Since our thoughts are the. tl1ouglits of God, how can we explain atheism? Will God implant in us atheistic thoughts to deny the existence of God? The answer is, yes, God implants in us atheistic thoughts to deny him. Know that God himself is an atheist. What is atheism? Atheism is a negation of God, and all existence is a negation of God. God could bring out existence only by negating himself. The assertion of the Will of God is pure atheism. On the other hand, the assertion of the Love of God is pure religion. Here, then, we see the secret of atheism and religion. All work of the Will of God is atheistic; it is a work of division, splitting up, analysis and separation. On the other hand, all work of the Love of God is religious; it is a work of integration, unification, synthesis and consolidation. Any function in the direction of divisibility and destruction is atheistic ; and any function towards unity and construction is religious. Both functions are necessary, and both functions are divine. There are times when old systems, old institutions, old beliefs and old modes of life must be destroyed. Whoever is called upon to perform this work is atheistic, whether he knows it or not. Then there are times when new systems, new institutions, new beliefs and new modes of life are to be established. Whoever is called upon to perform this work is religious, whether he knows it or not. Take the case of the Russian communists. They are avowed atheists, and are determined to destroy religion. But this is only half true. They have a great atheistic function to perform, to destroy an old order with its institutions, beliefs, ideas and modes of life. In so far as they do this work, they are atheists. But they also have a gigantic work of construction, to build up a new order of society with new beliefs, ideas, institutions and modes of life. In this respect the Russian communists are the most religious people on earth. Their religious nature manifests itself in their sincere endeavor to subordinate their personal, individualistic and selfish aims and purposes to requirements, aims and purposes of society. Can a nobler religious attitude be conceived? That the Russian communists believe that they will destroy religion is immaterial, for they cannot determine the consequences of their deeds. They are merely the tools in the hands of God, to clear the world of old beliefs, ideas and institutions that have outlived their usefulness, and prepare the ground for higher beliefs, more universal ideas and nobler institutions. There is a time to destroy, and there is a time to build; there is a time to be atheistic, and there is a time to be religious. Atheism is just as divine as religion is, for both are the work of God. When we perceive this truth, then we can truly sympathize with the atheist, and sympathy he truly deserves, that God has chosen him to do the work of destruction rather than the work of construction.

Matthew 5:20...Jesus said "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

There has to be a change in consciousness in order to become ONE with "The Father", and only THEN shall we be doing His will...

It's not about "the atheists"...It's about a change in consciousness, from individual ego centeredness to God consciousness, The ONE...

 

[steve_bank]

Chritianity is more aptly called Paulism. He took the Jewish out of Jesus and made it a gentile religion.

 

[DBT]

Which brought about a conflict with Peter.

 

[steve_bank]

According to the NT at one point Paul was on the run from Jerusalem Jews and got ptotection as a Roman citizen.

 

[Thomas II]