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We are overloading the planet: Now What?

Many regions, being arid, mountainous, etc, simply cannot support large human populations, hence the concentration along the coasts and riverways. Overall, Australia is low density, yet our cities are becoming ever more congested.
Our cities are poorly planned, which makes it seem like they are congested, but they really aren't. It's just the cars.

It's actually good to have your population in cities, rather than spreading them out over the land across dozens of towns and smaller cities. By concentration people in cities we take up less space, which means we have more space for agriculture and wilderness.

Cities should also allow us to be efficient in terms of providing services. For instance, people living in cities have better access to hospitals that have specialist wards and expensive equipment. We can also utilise mass transit and medium-density housing to improve access to urban hubs and reduce car usage.

Unfortunately Australia has done a poor job of implementing mass transit, mostly because our cities experienced rapid growth after WW2 when people could afford to buy cars. Most suburbs were (and still are) designed around cars while buses and trains are an afterthought, and not much of one at that. The recently opened Rozelle interchange in Sydney is a fine example of how incompetent Australia is when it comes to solving transport problems: we are still trying to get everyone everywhere in cars. It doesn't scale.

On the occasions that I have to drive my car into the Adelaide CBD, the commute is hell. Not Sydney bad, but it's bad. The cars crawl for dozens of kilometres. It really gives one the sense that the city is choking. When I catch the train into the city I get an entirely different impression: the train ride is much faster than car, for one thing, and the entire commute, including the carriages, the station and the city streets give the impression of a city that is busy but not crowded.

Australian cities all have sprawling, inefficient low-density suburbia which need to be completely redeveloped to adapt to life beyond the postwar boom. More mass transit, more parks, more medium-density housing, more bike access, less car access.
 
Our cities are poorly planned, which makes it seem like they are congested, but they really aren't. It's just the cars.
^This.

The City of Brisbane LGA has over 85% of the land area of Greater London* (1,343km2 vs 1,569km2).

The population of the City of Brisbane LGA was 1,242,825 as at the 2021 census.

The population of Greater London was 8,899,375 as at the 2021 census.

So that's a touch less than 14% of the population, in just over 85% of the land area.

There are approximately 9% more people in Greater London's 1,569km2 than live in the entire state of New South Wales, with its 801,150km2 of land and 8,072,163 residents.






*The ceremonial county of Greater London, made up of 32 London Boroughs plus the City of London.
 
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Many regions, being arid, mountainous, etc, simply cannot support large human populations, hence the concentration along the coasts and riverways. Overall, Australia is low density, yet our cities are becoming ever more congested.
Our cities are poorly planned, which makes it seem like they are congested, but they really aren't. It's just the cars.

It's actually good to have your population in cities, rather than spreading them out over the land across dozens of towns and smaller cities. By concentration people in cities we take up less space, which means we have more space for agriculture and wilderness.

Cities should also allow us to be efficient in terms of providing services. For instance, people living in cities have better access to hospitals that have specialist wards and expensive equipment. We can also utilise mass transit and medium-density housing to improve access to urban hubs and reduce car usage.

Unfortunately Australia has done a poor job of implementing mass transit, mostly because our cities experienced rapid growth after WW2 when people could afford to buy cars. Most suburbs were (and still are) designed around cars while buses and trains are an afterthought, and not much of one at that. The recently opened Rozelle interchange in Sydney is a fine example of how incompetent Australia is when it comes to solving transport problems: we are still trying to get everyone everywhere in cars. It doesn't scale.

On the occasions that I have to drive my car into the Adelaide CBD, the commute is hell. Not Sydney bad, but it's bad. The cars crawl for dozens of kilometres. It really gives one the sense that the city is choking. When I catch the train into the city I get an entirely different impression: the train ride is much faster than car, for one thing, and the entire commute, including the carriages, the station and the city streets give the impression of a city that is busy but not crowded.

Australian cities all have sprawling, inefficient low-density suburbia which need to be completely redeveloped to adapt to life beyond the postwar boom. More mass transit, more parks, more medium-density housing, more bike access, less car access.

I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.
 
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I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.

Size and density. Money buys space and luxury that not all citizens can afford. Look at our cities, Hong Kong, Delhi, Dubai, New York, Melbourne, Sydney to see both wealth, luxury and space alongside density, poverty and squalor. Nothing is limitless. Cities can't grows forever. Cities reach an optimal size and livability, after which they become bloated and increasingly unsustainable.
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.

Size and density. Money buys space and luxury that not all citizens can afford. Look at our cities, Hong Kong, Delhi, Dubai, New York, Melbourne, Sydney to see both wealth, luxury and space alongside density, poverty and squalor. Nothing is limitless. Cities can't grows forever. Cities reach an optimal size and livability, after which they become bloated and increasingly unsustainable.
Cities don't need to grow forever, because population is not going to grow forever, and will stop growing within a few generations.

Melbourne and Sydney don't have anything near the slums of Delhi, and they never will. Neither does Tokyo, despite a population of 37 million. Which goes to show that livability has little or nothing to do with city size or density, but rather depends on how the city is governed.
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.

Size and density. Money buys space and luxury that not all citizens can afford. Look at our cities, Hong Kong, Delhi, Dubai, New York, Melbourne, Sydney to see both wealth, luxury and space alongside density, poverty and squalor. Nothing is limitless. Cities can't grows forever. Cities reach an optimal size and livability, after which they become bloated and increasingly unsustainable.
Cities don't need to grow forever, because population is not going to grow forever, and will stop growing within a few generations.

Sure, and many of them have exceeded the optimal size for livability and long term sustainability long ago, decades for cities like Delhi, Cairo, etc. The world is already overpopulated, never mind that growth may stop in the next few decades.

Melbourne and Sydney don't have anything near the slums of Delhi, and they never will. Neither does Tokyo, despite a population of 37 million. Which goes to show that livability has little or nothing to do with city size or density, but rather depends on how the city is governed.

Our cities don't have the slums or the problems that cities like Delhi and Cairo have, yet livability in cities such as Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney has declined, congestion on roads, peak hour trains, trams are a nightmare, extremely expensive real estate, social divisions, etc. This was not always the case. It has not improved.
 
I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.

Size and density. Money buys space and luxury that not all citizens can afford. Look at our cities, Hong Kong, Delhi, Dubai, New York, Melbourne, Sydney to see both wealth, luxury and space alongside density, poverty and squalor. Nothing is limitless. Cities can't grows forever. Cities reach an optimal size and livability, after which they become bloated and increasingly unsustainable.
Cities don't need to grow forever, because population is not going to grow forever, and will stop growing within a few generations.

Sure, and many of them have exceeded the optimal size for livability and long term sustainability long ago, decades for cities like Delhi, Cairo, etc.
Tokyo has more people than either Delhi or Cairo yet does not have the same problems as those cities. And Delhi and Cairo had problems with planning and resources long before they grew to be really big cities.

There is no magical "optimal" population size for a city: a city should be as big or small as it needs to be for the number of people living there.
The world is already overpopulated, never mind that growth may stop in the next few decades.
No, it isn't.
Melbourne and Sydney don't have anything near the slums of Delhi, and they never will. Neither does Tokyo, despite a population of 37 million. Which goes to show that livability has little or nothing to do with city size or density, but rather depends on how the city is governed.
Our cities don't have the slums or the problems that cities like Delhi and Cairo have, yet livability in cities such as Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney has declined, congestion on roads, peak hour trains, trams are a nightmare, extremely expensive real estate, social divisions, etc. This was not always the case. It has not improved.
Too many cars, not enough mass transit. Which is what I said. We can and should fix that.

Real estate is expensive for at least a few reasons:
1. Government stopped building social housing.
2. Landlords are buying up homes.
3. Cities are sprawling out instead of getting denser.

We can fix those problems by building more social housing, getting rid of landlords and building medium density housing.

Social division really doesn't have anything to do with population size. I'm not even sure why you think it would. If social division is growing, and I'm not even sure that it is, then I would consider trends such as rising inequality, declining home ownership, lack of community development (as mentioned before) and the casualisaton of labour.
 
Our cities don't have the slums or the problems that cities like Delhi and Cairo have

Here in Seattle civil order has broken down, but no one will say it explicitly.

Social norms and prohibitions that kept a lid on things are gone.

Kids shooting kids. Kids commuting armed robbery and assault. Neighbors shooting neighbors over disputes.

A day ago a woman was walking home from work not too far from where I live. A guy rode up on a bike and asked for a cigarette. He grabbed her purse and wen she resisted he shot her.

Too many people and too many with nothing to do.
 
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I have no issue with cities, up to a point. Past which, no matter how well planned or laid out a city may be, there are just too many people concentrated into a relatively small area. Our cities, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane (just the traffic!!), are quickly reaching or exceeding their optimal population numbers, never mind Cairo, Delhi, Hong Kong, etc....
As you say, it's just the traffic. We're well past our optimal number of cars and our optimal number of roads.

The actual housing in Australian cities is barely concentrated at all. Most suburbs are low density, full of one-storey, single family houses with a backyard (maybe) and 5 metre setback for parking.

So none of our cities are even remotely close to reaching that point you speak of.

I think the limits on city size and density go well beyond traffic issues. Destruction of natural environments, overrunning prime farmland and natural ecosystems, increasing demand on resources, pollution, volume of waste disposal, livability, crowding, congestion, social cohesion, frustration, rage, crime...
Now you're really just talking about size rather than density. Increasing density actually helps reduce land use for living space.

Congestion really is just a car problem in Australia - we aren't even close to maxing out our potential for mass transit. And our cities aren't even close to crowded. How can they be when they are mostly low density? There may be crowding on some trains or buses, but that just shows that demand is high and we need to invest more.

I agree there are limits on size - I don't think we should aspire to turning Earth into Coruscant or the Caves of Steel - but the limits are far away in Australia. We can fix a lot of things before we can honestly say that our cities are full.

Size and density don't lead to crime, although it might look that way sometimes because Australia doesn't look after its poor very well and has a habit of creating slums. In fact if city size was correlated with crime then we should have seen a steady increase in crime rates as cities have grown.

Social cohesion has suffered terribly as a result of car-based suburbanisation. It's difficult to build a sense of community in a suburb where people don't share communal spaces near their homes and only leave their house via car. Everyone becomes a stranger living on their own island, streets are empty, children don't play with their neighbourhood peers, and people seldom use public spaces such as parks, libraries, local cafes etc. We could do a great deal to foster social cohesion by building neighbourhoods where people actually meet their neighbours and can worry less about their kids getting run over by a car while out playing.

Size and density. Money buys space and luxury that not all citizens can afford. Look at our cities, Hong Kong, Delhi, Dubai, New York, Melbourne, Sydney to see both wealth, luxury and space alongside density, poverty and squalor. Nothing is limitless. Cities can't grows forever. Cities reach an optimal size and livability, after which they become bloated and increasingly unsustainable.
Cities don't need to grow forever, because population is not going to grow forever, and will stop growing within a few generations.

Sure, and many of them have exceeded the optimal size for livability and long term sustainability long ago, decades for cities like Delhi, Cairo, etc.
Tokyo has more people than either Delhi or Cairo yet does not have the same problems as those cities. And Delhi and Cairo had problems with planning and resources long before they grew to be really big cities.

There is no magical "optimal" population size for a city: a city should be as big or small as it needs to be for the number of people living there.
The world is already overpopulated, never mind that growth may stop in the next few decades.
No, it isn't.
Melbourne and Sydney don't have anything near the slums of Delhi, and they never will. Neither does Tokyo, despite a population of 37 million. Which goes to show that livability has little or nothing to do with city size or density, but rather depends on how the city is governed.
Our cities don't have the slums or the problems that cities like Delhi and Cairo have, yet livability in cities such as Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney has declined, congestion on roads, peak hour trains, trams are a nightmare, extremely expensive real estate, social divisions, etc. This was not always the case. It has not improved.
Too many cars, not enough mass transit. Which is what I said. We can and should fix that.

Real estate is expensive for at least a few reasons:
1. Government stopped building social housing.
2. Landlords are buying up homes.
3. Cities are sprawling out instead of getting denser.

We can fix those problems by building more social housing, getting rid of landlords and building medium density housing.

Social division really doesn't have anything to do with population size. I'm not even sure why you think it would. If social division is growing, and I'm not even sure that it is, then I would consider trends such as rising inequality, declining home ownership, lack of community development (as mentioned before) and the casualisaton of labour.

Human nature: what can be done and what should be done, and what we actually do is far from related. I envy your optimistic view (and Bilby's) of humanity and the future, but looking at the state of the world and its fractured politics, inept leaders, crazy decisions and actions....sorry, I just cannot share the rosy vision.
 
You can look at my sources.
Oh, I have.

Paul Ehrlich famously proposed a formula for our impact on the planet: I=PAT.

Paul Ehrlich is also famous for his predictions:

In 1968, he predicted that 65 million Americans would starve to death in the 1980s...
Flapdoodle. If you had looked at my references, you would see that I don't even list Ehrlich as the lead writer in any of the works I cite. He is listed as a member of the writing team for one of the works, but not as the lead author. https://mindsetfree.blog/we-are-overloading-the-planet-now-what/#References .

Do you seriously think you can discredit a paper by finding one contributing author of one of the works cited that wrote something wrong? With your attack strategy, you could discredit almost any scientific paper.
I would not trust any paper that considered him a worthwhile contributor.
Being wrong is not magically turned into being right by quoting (or citing) a bunch of other people who were also wrong.

"I believe this, and I must be right because lots of other people, many of them highly regarded and respected, also believe this" isn't science; It's religion.

"I believe this, and I might be right because observing reality doesn't find any contradictions between my beliefs and those observations" is science.
Neither of these are statements I make. So why should I even address this ridiculous attempt to caricature what I write?

No, my paper is not based on religion. It is based on my research into the available scientific writings on the topic. Yes, there are many other works that I did not include. If you would like me to consider a paper that I have not listed, please recommend it.
We are calling it religion because it is. You are defending a faith-based position.
What do you even mean by this? I have made many points in my paper --https://mindsetfree.blog/we-are-overloading-the-planet-now-what/ and have backed them up with references to the scientific literature. Are you saying that, in spite of this, every single statement I made is a religious statement? Or are you only saying some of the statements I made are religious statements?

Can you please tell me which statements I made that you think are statements of religion, and how you know that statement is religious in nature?
 
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Can you please tell me which statements I made that you think are statements of religion, and how you know that statement is religious in nature?
"We are overloading the planet" is a statement of religion.

We know this because it is a claim that gets repeated ad-nauseum, despite the vast mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Like other religions, you even have the brass face to make "sciencey" apologetics in support of the claim: "Many scientists agree"; "A paper with xxx citaitions and yyy authors"; graphs to illiustrate your points whose data are pure fiction...

These appear to lead you to belive that science supports your preconceptions; But in fact they just highlight the fact that you don't grasp how science works.

I expect that you think that a 'scientific consensus' is when a large number of scientists support an idea, and therefore it should be accepted as the truth. Certainly that's the impression you give.
 
You can look at my sources.
Oh, I have.

Paul Ehrlich famously proposed a formula for our impact on the planet: I=PAT.

Paul Ehrlich is also famous for his predictions:

In 1968, he predicted that 65 million Americans would starve to death in the 1980s...
Flapdoodle. If you had looked at my references, you would see that I don't even list Ehrlich as the lead writer in any of the works I cite.
Flapdoodle yourself; I am literally responding to you directly citing him. :rolleyesa:

Paul Ehrlich wasn't one of my sources. I haven't read his book. I list my sources at https://mindsetfree.blog/we-are-overloading-the-planet-now-what/#References. Regarding the formula I=PAT, I do mention that Ehrlich first used that formula in that form. I am just giving credit where credit is due. But regarding the use of the formula I-PAT, I reference the sources I used: (Desvaux, 2007; Ward, 2016). I

But even if a person I listed as a reference also published something unreliable, that does not make the entire paper I referenced unreliable, and does not make my paper unreliable.
 
Let's give you four options. Which do you pick?
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3. Have a totalitarian world government force people to have fewer children.
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Why would forcing people to have fewer children take a totalitarian world government? Democratic nation-states force their people to do all manner of things their leaders consider good for the general welfare that a lot of the citizenry wouldn't do voluntarily, from little things like tolerating minority religions and respecting other people's property rights, to big things like military service. If the case for limiting reproduction will become as clear as you think it is, why do you assume it couldn't be enacted by vote and enforced by normal legal means?
Fair enough.

Although in practice, if we were to somehow enforce involuntary birth control on the entire world, that almost certainly would require a totalitarian world government that would enforce its will over nations that resisted.

That certainly is not what I am putting on the table.
 
Can you please tell me which statements I made that you think are statements of religion, and how you know that statement is religious in nature?
"We are overloading the planet" is a statement of religion.

We know this because it is a claim that gets repeated ad-nauseum, despite the vast mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Like other religions, you even have the brass face to make "sciencey" apologetics in support of the claim: "Many scientists agree"; "A paper with xxx citaitions and yyy authors"; graphs to illiustrate your points whose data are pure fiction...

These appear to lead you to belive that science supports your preconceptions; But in fact they just highlight the fact that you don't grasp how science works.

I expect that you think that a 'scientific consensus' is when a large number of scientists support an idea, and therefore it should be accepted as the truth. Certainly that's the impression you give.
There is a strong case that we are in overshoot, that our combined lifestyle is destroying the planet. I link to multiple scientific sources that support that claim.

A paper that is strongly supported by multiple references to the primary literature that conclude the things claimed in that paper is generally more reliable than posts by an anonymous person on the Internet (e.g., your posts) with no references to scientific papers that support the claims. I list my references at https://mindsetfree.blog/we-are-overloading-the-planet-now-what/#References

And no, my graph was not pure fiction. I described where I got the numbers, and what I mean by that graph.
 
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