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untermensche said:
It won't take long for the Trump administration to leave millions without health insurance.

Makin Merica grate agin!
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Well, to paraphrase Trump "Health care is complicated". There are Republican Senators and Republican Governors that have a lot to lose with this plan. The pullback on Medicaid will hurt many states, including Republican ones like Ohio.

And of course, the crazies in the House, think any form of spending is ungodly and won't vote for it. So despite the large majority in the House, the Republicans may actually not have the votes! And there is little in the way to compromise with the crazies. They want zero subsidy. This bill can not work as it is, forget with a lower subsidy. Vice Versa with the Senate, the Medicaid expansion is a big saver on this bill. It'd be silly to bother replacing the plan at all if they don't cut back Medicaid.

ACA is the Republican plan. And the Republicans seemed to have forgotten that and their folly in trying to fix their own plan would be more humorous if it wasn't going to uninsure millions of people (working people... this whole 'we need a work requirement' bullshit is nothing but bullshit. You can't make 130% of the poverty level if you don't fucking work!).
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
untermensche said:
It won't take long for the Trump administration to leave millions without health insurance.

Makin Merica grate agin!
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Well, to paraphrase Trump "Health care is complicated". There are Republican Senators and Republican Governors that have a lot to lose with this plan. The pullback on Medicaid will hurt many states, including Republican ones like Ohio.

And of course, the crazies in the House, think any form of spending is ungodly and won't vote for it. So despite the large majority in the House, the Republicans may actually not have the votes! And there is little in the way to compromise with the crazies. They want zero subsidy. This bill can not work as it is, forget with a lower subsidy. Vice Versa with the Senate, the Medicaid expansion is a big saver on this bill. It'd be silly to bother replacing the plan at all if they don't cut back Medicaid.

ACA is the Republican plan. And the Republicans seemed to have forgotten that and their folly in trying to fix their own plan would be more humorous if it wasn't going to uninsure millions of people (working people... this whole 'we need a work requirement' bullshit is nothing but bullshit. You can't make 130% of the poverty level if you don't fucking work!).
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It seems odd, doesn't it, to spend twice as much as we do to have what was - even before Trump started rootling it up - a service wildly inferior to the NHS. Greed and spite are terribly costly, I'm afraid.
 
This, short of single payer, all seems the same to me. I don't understand why the American public allows health insurance companies to exist or why they allow employers to be forced to pay for it for health issues that have nothing to do with employment.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
This, short of single payer, all seems the same to me. I don't understand why the American public allows health insurance companies to exist or why they allow employers to be forced to pay for it for health issues that have nothing to do with employment.
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Clearly you don't understand FREEDOM!!!!

That is pretty much is it.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
This, short of single payer, all seems the same to me. I don't understand why the American public allows health insurance companies to exist or why they allow employers to be forced to pay for it for health issues that have nothing to do with employment.
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Really? I don't believe you don't understand. The institutional fleecing of the American public at the hands of Big Pharma and their Insurance Company partners is not a secret; it's just something so sacred that word of its existence must never pass the lips of any congress-critter.

I think that once a gorilla passes the 800lb threshold, it becomes invisible.
 
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Well, if nothing else the Repug internal battle on the repeal-replace could drag on for quite a while.
DOA?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/obamacare-repeal-replace-bill-congress/index.html
The fiercest opposition is coming from some of the most conservative Republicans in Congress who have labeled the new legislation "Obamacare Lite" and "Obamacare 2.0." They are warning party leaders that the bill simply doesn't go far enough in gutting the current health care system.

"The bill's dead. Too many conservative groups are coming out against it. There's no way they'll have the votes to pass it in its current form," a conservative House aide told CNN, in a sign of some lawmakers' desire to flex their muscles and make a hard push for changes to the bill.
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And Don the Con has something partially right on a warning that 2018 could turn into a Repug bloodbath. But it is more about the internal damage by their squabbles, and then the millions impacted by whatever pile of shit they eventually pass. A few million people no longer able to afford insurance and insurance prices still rising, that should put voters in a cheery mode in 2018. Oh yeah, and if those under/un-employed coal miners in Pennsylvania don't get any of those magic good jobs, they won't be happy either.

And if the Repugs spend weeks to months battling over the ACA issue, then they aren't doing other things.
 
House radicals say it doesn't cut enough (entitlements are evil!). Senate "moderates" say it cut too much (...err... from Medicaid that is. They don't care about the marketplace insurance subsidies). There is little ground to work here with.

Granted, the Democrats had to fight hard within their own party to get the ACA out and as hacked up as it was. But where do the Republicans go from here? Their brilliant plan after 7 years of thinking and mulling it over, and DOA... because of the Republican Party lack of diehard support. They can't compromise on the compromise of a compromise. So then what, repeal and pretend things got better? Bet Trump would support that too. It'd be great for America as insurance prices would once again drop thanks to market forces, like they did prior to the passing of ACA.
 
Jimmy, just wait until Don the Con starts tweeting bitches about House Repugs not passing a repeal-replace plan...the backbiting should then get real.
 
It's a beautiful plan.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
So the question becomes, what in the hell is the point of this bill?!

The number insured will drop by the millions. The number of poor insured will drop substantially. Access to health care will retract. But the bill will still cost a good deal of money. Why even bother?!
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The GOP have been known to think a valid approach is to fuck it up so badly people hate it and then they can finish the repeal. That's been their MO in other government programs; break it, scream about how it's broken, and dismantle it.
 
joedad said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Yup--but when you look at the total out of pocket for various levels of medical spending you usually find the bronze plan has the lowest out of pocket. It definitely has the lowest out of pocket for very low spending or very high spending and when I've run the numbers even for in-between spending.
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I thought the maximum out of pocket was the same for all level plans.
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Not quite, but close. Which is why if your medical expenses are very high then bronze is a no-brainer. You're going to hit your stop-loss no matter what you pay for the policy so why pay more?

The only people that have any chance of benefiting from a more expensive policy are those whose medical expenses will be over their deductible but less than their stop-loss.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
joedad said:
I thought the maximum out of pocket was the same for all level plans.
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Not quite, but close. Which is why if your medical expenses are very high then bronze is a no-brainer. You're going to hit your stop-loss no matter what you pay for the policy so why pay more?

The only people that have any chance of benefiting from a more expensive policy are those whose medical expenses will be over their deductible but less than their stop-loss.
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You know, it's just so great how your government makes sure that one of the key points of your health care system is that private corporations can find a way to profit from it, thus increasing efficiency and value while reducing costs. As someone who's stuck under an inefficient government run system, I am so jealous of all of you.
 
untermensche said:
This harms many besides the people uninsured.

Hospitals in the US do not throw people who are seriously ill out if they have no insurance.

More uninsured means more work done by hospitals that is not getting paid for.

This costs everybody with insurance more.

And it means things like less nurses for everybody.
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Agree. They don't throw them out. They just never accept them as patients.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
So the question becomes, what in the hell is the point of this bill?!
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The number insured will drop by the millions. The number of poor insured will drop substantially. Access to health care will retract. But the bill will still cost a good deal of money.

There's your answer. That and millionaires will get richer
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
This, short of single payer, all seems the same to me. I don't understand why the American public allows health insurance companies to exist or why they allow employers to be forced to pay for it for health issues that have nothing to do with employment.
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What else do you expect from a bunch of dumb fucks that think ObamaCare and Affordable Care Act or two different thinks; or that their MediCare is not a government health care plan
 
Mental health care has been done poorly in USA,for like ever.So now we have a ill person in the White House.
 
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