Jayjay
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Except that it was Russia who started the war. It's a well-documented fact that Russia attacked first, just like it did in Ukraine, because Putin didn't like the people in these countries choosing their own leaders democratically, instead of having Russian-installed puppets.Really? you believe that?No. You give us a break. Anything Russia thinks is true is true and anything else is propaganda is not a coherent reasonable stance, NATO exists because USSR, er, Russia has a history of swallowing neighbors. Calling Ukraine a "shitty country" is not rationale for occupation. Russia is as nation among nations. It is not, nor is any country, permitted to determine the validity of neighbor nations.No, you give me a break.
You cannot compare Ukraine to Russia. Ukraine is a shitty country used by NATO to attack and destroy/weaken Russia. Russia is defending against NATO who is the aggressor here.
Russia has a shitty neighbor then Russia should operate in a proper international forum. One nation never has the 'right' to eliminate another nation for being "shitty". One must make a case in the international court rather than acting out. Make a case Russia.
What about Georgia?
Let me refresh your memory about them.
US conducted a coup there, installed a puppet regime and then paid and trained army and then supported their attack on Russia in order to return territories which were never really georgian.
Both Georgia and Ukraine are examples of Russian meddling and imperialism.
You've only provided evidence (if you can count some Saakashvili ally's opinion such) for the first claim. But not that there was any condition to "promise to hate Russia", because that kind of stupid-ass conditions don't exist outside Russian propaganda fairy tales.Of course you can call it unsupported conspiracy theories. Except this is what georgians themselves believe and more importantly what closest allies of Saakashvili say. They literally said "US supported only these people who were openly anti-russian" The only way to get money from State Department in Georgia was to promise to hate Russia.
If United States was supporting people who wanted democracy, and were against Russian meddling, ... good! That's what every sane person should support.
And Russia doesn't want to call the current war a war, but "special military operation". Governments are sometimes idiotic in naming things accurately, because they think that by calling things by their real names gives them credibility. Hence, the war in 2014 was dubbed "anti-terrorist operation". That doesn't change what it actually was, nor does it matter whether the Ukrainian government got the idea from some American diplomat or if they came up with it themselves.Spring-Summer 2014, ukrainian "government" suddenly starts calling East Ukrainian "separatists" terrorists. That's weird, everybody says, I mean they are obviously separatists, but there were no terrorism involved.
The word "terrorist" is a misnomer, but not in the way you think. Terror is always part of war. The word doesn't make sense except in context of peaceful societies.
So Russia invaded Georgia, is in the process of annexing parts of it (South Ossetia), and is threatening to take more if Georgia doesn't give in. Under these circumstances, Georgia doesn't really have a choice but to cut its losses and lick its wounds. Until next time Russia wants something more from them. If someone points a gun at you and tells you to give up your wallet, you'll probably hand over the wallet, but that doesn't mean that the guy isn't a robber.Now, back to Georgia. US essentially bought all politicians and government there and ordered them to hate Russia. So they did. Everybody knows that. And it was fucking great, because Police was paid directly by US taxpayers and famous georgian police corruption disappeared. Then war and ass-kicking, then economic sanctions from Russia and subsequent semi-collapse of the economy. Then sane government and semi-normalization of relations with Russia, culminating in Georgia saying "We are not supporting war on Russia"
They have their independence, "Imperialist" Russia does not invade them and the economy is fine. All they had to do is to stop following western orders in their war on Russia.
But you can be damn sure that everyone in Georgia wants Russia to lose this war, hard. Because weak Russia is better for democratic Georgian future. That's why they submitted their application to join the EU ahead of schedule.
By "neocon controlled" you mean "independent" and "democratic".Russia does not need US neocon controlled governments on its borders. Yes, I am talking to you, Baltic States!