What are we gonna do about white people and all their guns?

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Athena,
data does not support your racist prejudice. There are more blacks committing murder than whites, despite there being many more whites than blacks, according to FBI.

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Are we sure that white people are overrepresented as shooters in gun killings?

Or are we just operating based on biases and preconceptions?

The latter.

I think the point brought up in the thread wasn’t just any/every US murder, but mass shootings/murders and they do tend to be white guys. The article links other sources as well..
http://bossip.com/698648/race-matte...urders-than-blacks-or-any-other-racial-group/

According to Wikipedia, 75% of the rampage killings on US record were perpetrated by white males, as were 71% of massacres in schools, and 60% of workplace rampages – a seriously disproportionate number for the number of white males that make up the general population. Clearly, there is more at play here than the advantage of opportunity.

 

[fromderinside]

3. Were the attackers brown people?

Because this guy was never ever labeled as a terrorist.

Right. He wasn't ever labeled a terrorist. He was just convicted of having committed a terrorist act.

Many in America call this guy a patriot.

 

[dismal]

Hey, look, facts:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

If I have this right, data for shooter in "mass shootings":

White 66%
Black 16%
Asian 9%
Hispanic 6%

Data for general population:

White 64%
Black 12%
Asian 5%
Hispanic 16%

Blacks and Asians seem to be far more overrepresented than whites.

This is officially a racist thread.

Shall I alert the mods for possible bannings?

 

[Derec]

Right. He wasn't ever labeled a terrorist. He was just convicted of having committed a terrorist act.

Huh?

Many in America call this guy a patriot.

Many? I doubt it. In fact I would be willing to bet there are more people viewing cop-killers like Mumia Abu Jamal or Leonard Peltier as "innocent" and as "political prisoners" than those that view McVeigh as a "patriot". Willing to take the bet?

 

[Bronzeage]

3. Were the attackers brown people?

Because this guy was never ever labeled as a terrorist.

Right. He wasn't ever labeled a terrorist. He was just convicted of having committed a terrorist act.

Many in America call this guy a patriot.

I don't know of any.

 

[Derec]

I think the point brought up in the thread wasn’t just any/every US murder, but mass shootings/murders and they do tend to be white guys. The article links other sources as well..

Which obviously raises the question of why "mass shootings" should be given so much more attention that regular murders where blacks predominate even on absolute numbers, never mind their share relative to population? Also what's the threshold for "mass shootings" anyway? Was Brian Nichols a mass shooter?

But as dismal's data shows whites are only 2 percentage points more likely to commit "mass shootings" than their share of population while blacks and Asians are 4 percentage points more likely (Hispanics being the only ethnic group less likely). Thus singling out whites makes even less sense and is based on pure racial prejudice.

 

[dismal]

I think the point brought up in the thread wasn’t just any/every US murder, but mass shootings/murders and they do tend to be white guys. The article links other sources as well..

Which obviously raises the question of why "mass shootings" should be given so much more attention that regular murders where blacks predominate even on absolute numbers, never mind their share relative to population? Also what's the threshold for "mass shootings" anyway?

But as dismal's data shows whites are only 2 percentage points more likely to commit "mass shootings" than their share of population while blacks and Asians are 4 percentage points more likely (Hispanics being the only ethnic group less likely). Thus singling out whites makes even less sense and is based on pure racial prejudice.

Yes, well here's some data for shooting in general by race of shooter (you may have to select "firearm" for the weapon):

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all&w=f

Blacks: 50.3k
Whites: 27.1k
Hispanics: 10.4k
Asians: 1.3K

In percentages:

Blacks: 56%
Whites: 30%
Hispanics: 12%
Asians: 1%

 

[funinspace]

I think the point brought up in the thread wasn’t just any/every US murder, but mass shootings/murders and they do tend to be white guys. The article links other sources as well..

Which obviously raises the question of why "mass shootings" should be given so much more attention that regular murders where blacks predominate even on absolute numbers, never mind their share relative to population? Also what's the threshold for "mass shootings" anyway?

But as dismal's data shows whites are only 2 percentage points more likely to commit "mass shootings" than their share of population while blacks and Asians are 4 percentage points more likely (Hispanics being the only ethnic group less likely). Thus singling out whites makes even less sense and is based on pure racial prejudice.

Yes, well here's some data for shooting in general by race of shooter (you may have to select "firearm" for the weapon):

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all&w=f

Blacks: 50.3k
Whites: 27.1k
Hispanics: 10.4k
Asians: 1.3K

In percentages:

Blacks: 56%
Whites: 30%
Hispanics: 12%
Asians: 1%

Yes, you appear to be correct on the mass shooting stats, and that article I cited seems to be misleading.

 

[laughing dog]

Hey, look, facts:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

If I have this right, data for shooter in "mass shootings":

White 66%
Black 16%
Asian 9%
Hispanic 6%

Data for general population:

White 64%
Black 12%
Asian 5%
Hispanic 16%

Blacks and Asians seem to be far more overrepresented than whites.

This is officially a racist thread.

Shall I alert the mods for possible bannings?

Go for it.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Hey, look, facts:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

If I have this right, data for shooter in "mass shootings":

White 66%
Black 16%
Asian 9%
Hispanic 6%

Data for general population:

White 64%
Black 12%
Asian 5%
Hispanic 16%

Blacks and Asians seem to be far more overrepresented than whites.

This is officially a racist thread.

Shall I alert the mods for possible bannings?

2/3 of the problem solved if we eliminate white people.

 

[dismal]

Hey, look, facts:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

If I have this right, data for shooter in "mass shootings":

White 66%
Black 16%
Asian 9%
Hispanic 6%

Data for general population:

White 64%
Black 12%
Asian 5%
Hispanic 16%

Blacks and Asians seem to be far more overrepresented than whites.

This is officially a racist thread.

Shall I alert the mods for possible bannings?

2/3 of the problem solved if we eliminate white people.

Haha jokes about eliminating a whole race of people are funny.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The OP is about how the press covers terrorist acts when the perpetrators are white and usually male, as opposed to black or brown and non-Christian.

This was not simply a shooting or even a mass shooting. This was a revolutionary act perpetrated as an act of terror meant to evoke an response from representative of govt.

now I know I should feel all hurt and ashamed at having my prejudice called racist, but I look at the source and all I can do is

 

[Derec]

The OP is about how the press covers terrorist acts when the perpetrators are white and usually male, as opposed to black or brown and non-Christian.

The OP is about complaining about whitey using very dubious and biased sources (Alternet). I.e. par for your hobby horse.

 

[ksen]

Haha jokes about eliminating a whole race of people are funny.

I agree that those are some of the best.

Also rape jokes.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Hey, look, facts:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

If I have this right, data for shooter in "mass shootings":

White 66%
Black 16%
Asian 9%
Hispanic 6%

Data for general population:

White 64%
Black 12%
Asian 5%
Hispanic 16%

Blacks and Asians seem to be far more overrepresented than whites.

This is officially a racist thread.

Shall I alert the mods for possible bannings?

2/3 of the problem solved if we eliminate white people.

Haha jokes about eliminating a whole race of people are funny.

Who's joking?

 

[fromderinside]

Because this guy was never ever labeled as a terrorist.

Right. He wasn't ever labeled a terrorist. He was just convicted of having committed a terrorist act.

Many in America call this guy a patriot.

I don't know of any.

I guess you don't read the Jacksonville forum ....

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-fl/TMG3UPAOVIM52CTFG

"God Bless Timothy McVeigh, a true American Hero"

... or follow Gore Vidal.

From theguardian "Vidal praises Oklahoma for heroic aims" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/17/edinburghbookfestival2001.mcveigh

The writer Gore Vidal yesterday compared the executed Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh to Paul Revere, the hero of American independence.In a withering address at the Edinburgh book festival, the liberal novelist and elder statesman of the Gore political dynasty said the former soldier decorated for bravery in the Gulf war wanted to send out a warning that the government had been bought by corporate America and "its secret police, the FBI, were out of control. What McVeigh was saying was, 'The Feds are coming, the Feds are coming'. "
In his strongest identification yet with the man who confessed to blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people in retaliation for the FBI's "slaughter at Waco", Vidal described him as a "Kipling hero" with an "overdeveloped sense of justice" who did what he did because he was inflamed by the massacre, the FBI's subsequent cover-up, and the way it "had shredded the bill of rights and the constitution. He was the man who would be king."

Don't get me wrong here. I'm just reporting the level of political fear disease 'merica with which is 'fested.

Gotta know what the others are doing if ya wanna do something about it.

 

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Because this guy was never ever labeled as a terrorist.

Right. He wasn't ever labeled a terrorist. He was just convicted of having committed a terrorist act.

Many in America call this guy a patriot.

I don't know of any.

I guess you don't read the Jacksonville forum ....

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-fl/TMG3UPAOVIM52CTFG

"God Bless Timothy McVeigh, a true American Hero"

... or follow Gore Vidal.

From theguardian "Vidal praises Oklahoma for heroic aims" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/17/edinburghbookfestival2001.mcveigh

The writer Gore Vidal yesterday compared the executed Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh to Paul Revere, the hero of American independence.In a withering address at the Edinburgh book festival, the liberal novelist and elder statesman of the Gore political dynasty said the former soldier decorated for bravery in the Gulf war wanted to send out a warning that the government had been bought by corporate America and "its secret police, the FBI, were out of control. What McVeigh was saying was, 'The Feds are coming, the Feds are coming'. "
In his strongest identification yet with the man who confessed to blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people in retaliation for the FBI's "slaughter at Waco", Vidal described him as a "Kipling hero" with an "overdeveloped sense of justice" who did what he did because he was inflamed by the massacre, the FBI's subsequent cover-up, and the way it "had shredded the bill of rights and the constitution. He was the man who would be king."

Don't get me wrong here. I'm just reporting the level of political fear disease 'merica with which is 'fested.

Gotta know what the others are doing if ya wanna do something about it.

Gore Vidal? WTF?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The OP is about how the press covers terrorist acts when the perpetrators are white and usually male, as opposed to black or brown and non-Christian.

The OP is about complaining about whitey using very dubious and biased sources (Alternet). I.e. par for your hobby horse.

and if anyone here knows of hobby horses, that would be you.

 

[laughing dog]

The OP is about how the press covers terrorist acts when the perpetrators are white and usually male, as opposed to black or brown and non-Christian.

The OP is about complaining about whitey using very dubious and biased sources (Alternet). I.e. par for your hobby horse.

The statistics on multiple murders with guns do show a predominance of white perpetrators. However, you do appear to either ignore or are oblivious to the OP because you are using the blinders of the hobby horse you are riding: why does the press appear to cover these types of shooting more prevalently and sensationally? Is it partly due to race or is that simply a case of confusing correlation with causation?

 

[fromderinside]

Hokay. Hokay. Let's get back to the real problem. What proportion of whites who shoot blacks are killed or sentenced to death compared with the percentage of blacks who shoot whites who are killed or sentenced. ...and why is this important, so important that Jon Stewart had a comedy bit comparing the idea of wearing weapons in public by a white guy and a black guy that was tragically hilarious and very, very, true.