Speakpigeon
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- Rationality (i.e. facts + logic), Scepticism (not just about God but also everything beyond my subjective experience)
Clearly, you're at a loss to explain what would be illogical exactly in the idea of uncaused existence.
Murkily, I never argued against uncaused existence. I said that it is illogical (include abductive reasoning) to think that something uncaused began to exist.
Yes, anything eternal would be uncaused, I guess, but this somehow seems to hide from you this other interesting idea that there could be things not eternal and yet uncaused.
I interpreted what you said as if you intended not eternal to mean "with a beginning" as opposed to being "with an end" because of the context. That should be an assumed premise (you mean 'with a beginning' by 'not eternal'), given the conversation, right?
Alright, my bad... I read your piece too quick! Sorry.
Still, I indeed find acceptable the idea that something uncaused can start to exist and can't see what would be illogical with that.
EB