What comes next after the Trump win?

[Politesse]

Latest news from the key states, particularly Pennsylvania, is that the result won't be known for days.

Calling the result now is massively premature.

The math is... unlikely at best.

 

[Politesse]

Best case scenario is he gets all the cases dropped against him, puts a few of his rivals in jail, and makes a few billion on the office, Russia holds of on Poland invasion, China holds off on Taiwan invasion, and he makes a half hearted attempt to deport but we get a repeat of the deportation attempt his first term, but otherwise he rides off into the sunset.

I'm putting 10% odds on our democracy pretty much being lost. Way too high for my comfort but not so high that it is impossible to recover.

*All the big money has shifted strongly towards Trump. He got all the demos he needed. I'm calling the election for him.

Yesterday, his number one problem was avoiding criminal prosecution. Well, his real number one problem was and is probably his encroaching senility. But his first priority just became trying to figure out how to stay in office past 2028.

 

[Swammerdami]

What happens next? Depends on if the GOP kill the filibuster in the Senate. I mean, why the heck not? They mocked the pandemic, one million died. Who cares. Sent US troops to die in Iraq for weapons that didn't exist. Meh... they'll get power back shortly. The GOP can get away with just about anything and the best part of the GOP is being phased out and replaced with the JD Vances.

By "filibuster" you mean that Ancient Tradition of the Senate -- the filibusterless filibuster dates all the way back to Clinton's term in an earlier century -- that great and noble Ancient Tradition which Joe Manchin so proudly preserved, at the cost of making it harder for blacks to vote in states like Mississippi and Georgia?

Anyone who thinks the QOPAnon Party won't leap at the chance to void that rule whenever it's convenient for them needs their dosages adjusted.

The Trump voters will never know of such hypocrisies of course. They come out of the woodwork once every 4 years, watch a few episodes of Infowars or such, pull the red-colored lever, and resume their life of ignorance.

 

[barbos]

Well, his real number one problem was and is probably his encroaching senility.

Come on, Biden is hardly encroaching.

 

[trillian]

After being jailed and then frozen by the Jabba administration for 4 years for crossing them, our unorthodox scoundrel hero emerges once again in Return of the _______.
Hmmf. Need a title for the last arc to the story.

Elon may be right about a possible simulation trending toward what is more entertaining. Haha.
Legacy media Iives a few extra days on Trump ratings.

*and there are no more stories after Return of the ______. They were all crap after the 80's.

 

[trillian]

What happens next? Depends on if the GOP kill the filibuster in the Senate. I mean, why the heck not? They mocked the pandemic, one million died. Who cares. Sent US troops to die in Iraq for weapons that didn't exist. Meh... they'll get power back shortly. The GOP can get away with just about anything and the best part of the GOP is being phased out and replaced with the JD Vances.

By "filibuster" you mean that Ancient Tradition of the Senate -- the filibusterless filibuster dates all the way back to Clinton's term in an earlier century -- that great and noble Ancient Tradition which Joe Manchin so proudly preserved, at the cost of making it harder for blacks to vote in states like Mississippi and Georgia?

Anyone who thinks the QOPAnon Party won't leap at the chance to void that rule whenever it's convenient for them needs their dosages adjusted.

The Trump voters will never know of such hypocrisies of course. They come out of the woodwork once every 4 years, watch a few episodes of Infowars or such, pull the red-colored lever, and resume their life of ignorance.

What is is written here? You think fillibuster is a thing needed to pass the things people vote about?

Ask yourself why Obamas congress, with all the votes they needed, did not legislate abortion rights? They had the votes. They had a few decades to write it up. All they needed was to vote on it. And it would be law!!!

But they failed to do it. They prefer to have abortion kept as a wedge issue for elections, relying on the different sentiments in the 50 states to scare the electorate.

If Trump's congress offered a bilateral federal bill for abortion up to 15 weeks plus the usual exceptions, the democrats would oppose it. They would find any and all reasons not to sign on.
In fact, he might just do that. It isnt like he was ever strongly opinionated on it.

In 2025, the got game will change. Many of the usual players will be ousted and others will lose those valuable security clearances. Hopefully the replacements are more capable.

 

[SLD]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

 

[Swammerdami]

Ask yourself why Obamas congress, with all the votes they needed, did not legislate abortion rights? They had the votes. They had a few decades to write it up. All they needed was to vote on it. And it would be law!!!

Would such a bill have gotten any Republican votes? If not, it couldn't be passed: It takes 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate; and the Ds almost never had more than 59 under Obama. They had 60 votes only briefly: AFTER the GOP finally allowed Al Franken to be seated, but BEFORE Ted Kennedy was too dead or infirm to vote. And one had to include DINOs like Lieberman to get to 60 votes even during that brief period.

(The rule that 60 votes are needed can be changed with just 50 votes -- plus the VP. Joe Manchin refused to allow the rule to be changed. Will any GOPsters follow his lead when the fascists want that rule to change?)

But they failed to do it. They prefer to have abortion kept as a wedge issue for elections, relying on the different sentiments in the 50 states to scare the electorate.

Once again, the Rs attribute to the Ds precisely the tactics that the Rs employ! Uninformed voters can't think beyond the meme "Same - Same."

 

[scombrid]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

Yep. Damn the collateral damage to innocents. The same-same people need to eat it. I hope things get particularly nasty for the Michigan muslims that supported Trump because they didn't like Biden/Harris position on Israel. GOP base took a lot of the worst hits from Covid. Maybe their women won't be able to get care when they need it. You just have to pray that god will fix that ectopic pregnancy.

 

[ideologyhunter]

The end of Bush II and Trump I wasn't enough of a lesson. How much of a disaster would tRump have to create, to make the point?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So we wait on:

• Who has control of the House
  • Impressive in a high tide, that the House at best swings a few seats.
• Does the Senate change (remove) the filibuster
  • I'm 50/50 this happens. Getting a supermajority is near impossible.
• Does Trump do all that crazy shit like put RFK Jr in charge of HHS.

The House is key to the limits (or lack there) of power, and then the Filibuster.

 

[SLD]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

Yep. Damn the collateral damage to innocents. The same-same people need to eat it. I hope things get particularly nasty for the Michigan muslims that supported Trump because they didn't like Biden/Harris position on Israel. GOP base took a lot of the worst hits from Covid. Maybe their women won't be able to get care when they need it. You just have to pray that god will fix that ectopic pregnancy.

Like I said this summer, the only way to defeat trump is to let him win. I would love to see some doctor in Texas say to some young woman, well, sorry, you have to die. You voted for trump, that's what you get. But, but, but, . . . I didn't think this would happen. Tough shit. Fuck you for voting for him.

I hope he really does put RFK JR in charge of HHS and they really do ban all vaccines. Let's see polio tuberculosis and another serious COVID Pandemic return. A bunch of old people in Florida should die off frankly. Turn that state blue.

 

[Elixir]

All that. I’m bitter. I hope trumpsuckers live long enough to suffer what they’ve wrought, and that their progeny get the bill.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

I’ll have my “Remember, you wanted this.” sign ready to go.

Meanwhile, my kids are looking for options. Really sucks for them.

 

[SLD]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

I’ll have my “Remember, you wanted this.” sign ready to go.

Meanwhile, my kids are looking for options. Really sucks for them.

We need to stay and fight. I am 63. I thought about retiring from law. Now I am not so sure. But I may change my focus.

 

[scombrid]

I hope the orange cocksucker does just about everything he says he will. America deserves to get fucked.

Yep. Damn the collateral damage to innocents. The same-same people need to eat it. I hope things get particularly nasty for the Michigan muslims that supported Trump because they didn't like Biden/Harris position on Israel. GOP base took a lot of the worst hits from Covid. Maybe their women won't be able to get care when they need it. You just have to pray that god will fix that ectopic pregnancy.

Like I said this summer, the only way to defeat trump is to let him win. I would love to see some doctor in Texas say to some young woman, well, sorry, you have to die. You voted for trump, that's what you get. But, but, but, . . . I didn't think this would happen. Tough shit. Fuck you for voting for him.

I hope he really does put RFK JR in charge of HHS and they really do ban all vaccines. Let's see polio tuberculosis and another serious COVID Pandemic return. A bunch of old people in Florida should die off frankly. Turn that state blue.

They’ve already been killing women by refusing care to save their life, just without the fuck you. Not knowing how the particular person voted I think they should just say Governor Abbot says to fuck off to hell.

 

[Elixir]

Has Trump called Uncle Vlad to congratulate him?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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Joined - Mar 12, 2003
Messages - 9

9 Messages in 21½ years? But now posting with glee as fascists gain power? Is this what the expression "coming out of the woodwork" means?

Next? Trump still has a sentencing. They will remind us all they are able to put him in jail and float a possibility of some disqualification. Or try to kill him.

"They." Who is "They"? Fake News? AOC? Hosts of The View? Those nasty unpatriotic businessmen who sell merchandise Made in China?
Those duped by Trumpist propaganda still don't know that their leaders' lies reverse reality.

Anyway, with Vance as Heir Apparent, rational thinkers may be hoping Trump stays alive for at least 4 years.

The fascists have been in hiding but are experiencing extreme escastcy that their strongman is in power. They will be marching openly in the streets soon. It will be a very dark 4 years.

And you think there will be a meaningful election in 2028?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ask yourself why Obamas congress, with all the votes they needed, did not legislate abortion rights? They had the votes. They had a few decades to write it up. All they needed was to vote on it. And it would be law!!!

They had the votes when?? Never.

And you think the law matters anymore?

In 2025, the got game will change. Many of the usual players will be ousted and others will lose those valuable security clearances. Hopefully the replacements are more capable.

Replacements capable???? His first priority will be loyalty, not competence.

Besides, it's pretty clear someone near him is loyal to Moscow. We just elected the Manchurian Candidate by proxy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So we wait on:

• Who has control of the House
  • Impressive in a high tide, that the House at best swings a few seats.
• Does the Senate change (remove) the filibuster
  • I'm 50/50 this happens. Getting a supermajority is near impossible.
• Does Trump do all that crazy shit like put RFK Jr in charge of HHS.

The House is key to the limits (or lack there) of power, and then the Filibuster.

Doesn't even matter. He's going to replace people with loyalists and it doesn't matter what the House does, they won't have any ability to actually do anything.