What is so bad about Hillary Clinton?

[SLD]

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...lary_clinton_has_become_a_subversive_act.html

Interesting article. I too do not understand why people insist on seeing her as a bad person of some kind. To those detractors out there who call her a liar, why do you say that particularly? Granted we all lie to some extent. I doubt everything she says is truthful. I'm sure George Washington lied (even if he told the truth about the Cherry tree). But how exactly is she more of a liar than anyone else? I hear it constantly that she is a liar.

SLD

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Those people who call her a liar are just reacting to their emotions and cannot name an actual lie.

 

[Nexus]

I doubt everything she says is truthful.

I don't think anything she says is truthful. If she does say something true its probably in service of a greater lie. She's a warmonger. Remember her Iraq vote? She will just be another tool of the military-industrial-complex. With her expect ground troops in Syria and moving towards conflict with Iran.

 

[PyramidHead]

For me, it is her transparent phonyness. It oozes from her like it did from Mitt. The whole 'abuela' thing is a nice example. She just comes off as so blatantly, cynically calculating.

 

[funinspace]

Well, I think part of the dislike is that it comes from both sides. The right hates her for the obvious reasons (She is a Clinton; she is a she and a Democrat; she supported health care reforms). Benghazi, the 1990’s shenanigans, et.al. are just the manure to throw. The latest private email server thing is actually a real issue IMPOV. Any normal civilian would be crucified for doing such crap, as it clearly violates about a dozen very clear rules on general information security and communication. But at this political level, the rules of the game are different, so unless the FBI goes crazy and files charges against her the issue will probably die.

Progressives and other misfits (FWIW I'm in this row boat) don't like her much as she is part of the political machine that has supported neocon wars, supports Wall Street, and supported the Patriot Act. Like Pres. Obama she has evolved her position on gay marriage based on the shifting beliefs of the public. There really isn't a lot of liberal in her, more of a statist IMPOV.

The middle and politically dis-interested are probably not all that thrilled with yet another Clinton show. They would probably prefer something new, yah know a shiny nice sounding new talking head. The fun will be in deciding whether to endure another Clinton administration, or deal with someone from the Repug clown car. Progressives will obviously hold their nose and vote for her, at least figuring the SC will have a better chance shifting back their way. Oh, and yeah they all pretty much lie to varying degrees...

 

[Valjean]

The article doesn't address the real problem -- her foreign and economic policies. The people judging her on appearance and personality are going to vote for Trump, anyway.

It's her support for the banksters and the military-industrial complex that's worrisome.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For me, it is her transparent phonyness. It oozes from her like it did from Mitt. The whole 'abuela' thing is a nice example. She just comes off as so blatantly, cynically calculating.

I know. Unlike most of the rest of DC which are optimistic, honest, and refreshing.

Granted, I think what makes Clinton so hated by the right is because she is an outsider.

Though in seriousness, she was at one time an outsider.

 

[SLD]

The article doesn't address the real problem -- her foreign and economic policies. The people judging her on appearance and personality are going to vote for Trump, anyway.

It's her support for the banksters and the military-industrial complex that's worrisome.

Enough for you to vote for Trump? Or some other repub?

I mean, I like a lot of what Sanders says too, but he's not likely to be on the ballot come November.

SLD

 

[GenesisNemesis]

For me, it is her transparent phonyness.

There are very few politicians who aren't like that.

 

[SLD]

For me, it is her transparent phonyness. It oozes from her like it did from Mitt. The whole 'abuela' thing is a nice example. She just comes off as so blatantly, cynically calculating.

But isn't this what the article is talking about? Anyone can say she is "phony" but few can articulate exactly why. Things that others do routinely, she gets criticized for. I think it's far tougher being a liberal woman, than a conservative. If she were a Republican with the exact same voting record and same policy positions (which isn't too far off, but it would be more on the traditional republican side as opposed to the new and improved Tea Party Repubs), they'd say she was a strong woman who just exhibited good leadership skills. Those on the left though would likely say she was cynical and calculating. I really don't know what that means though. How is she cynical and calculating and Trump, Cruz, Fiorina not? Do you really think that any presidential candidate could survive more than 5 minutes without being "calculating"?

SLD

 

[arkirk]

She is a corporatist and in the game for herself. She takes money from the private prison lobby. That means she supports institutions that are the 21st century's version of slavery. She really has nothing to compare with Sanders in any category. You vote for her. you are voting for more of the same crap we get from the Republicans only I guess because she is a woman, her supporters regard it as "Lite." Insincerity is the biggest liability she I suspect probably cannot overcome...it comes with the territory of backroom political dealing and schlonging. What is really wrong with her is that she is a cap and trade advocate when it comes to pollution and that whole notion not only does not work, but it is in fact a type of ponzi scheme. The woman has one more liability...her "partner." When there is a good candidate running (Sanders) why waste your vote on a schmoozer like Clinton who I suspect is as apt to say anything to get elected as Trump is...only using a different theory?

Regarding her "likability" I find her harsh and a true script reader with very little of her own ideas. She is a handled politician and her handlers definitely are not friends of the American or any other kind of people. She supports a system that keeps the poor poor, she takes big Pharma money. Now is the time to say no to more Clintons...and not to vote for Trump. Her background is the American Political Class...a group that surfs through elections on corporate money.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Sanders can't win and the Dems have settled on Hillary.

Is she phony and insincere? Yes. She's also not likable. I'd much more prefer a Hillary who could just come out and say, "Oh, just shut the fuck up about me for once you bunch of sleazy assholes." She can't though. Republicans can get away with "Go fuck yourself," shooting others in the face, and threatening to throw reporters off balconies live on TV, but that shit's a no-go for Hillary.

Hillary does not come across as sincere because she has to play a role she knows is bullshit. No person is all things to all people. Yet she's been gritting her teeth and playing that idiot role ever since Bill ran for the White House. I remember her having to make cookies and the press then comparing her cookies to Barbara Bush's. For someone of tremendous intellect, strong ideals, and intelligence, it must have made her want to scream. And now, just in this moment, I understand why she still wants to be President after all of this bullshit she's been put through. She wants to win a second term and then start telling people to get fucked. Only then, when she is safe from ever having to run for office again, can she finally be real.

There is no one more qualified to be POTUS than she is. She was in the White House for 8 years, she's an attorney, a Senator, and the goddamn Secretary of State. She has been in this motherfucker for over 25 years now and she's got a hide 6 inches thick. Trump is supposed to be tough??? Put them in the octagon and Hillary wouldn't even bother to rip his comb-over off until she'd ripped his head off first---which would take her about 40 seconds.

Have all her decisions lined up with my ideology? Of course not. Oh well. If I want that to happen then I need to become POTUS, dissolve the bicameral and judicial system, and then make myself King of America. Then shit'll go my way all the time. Just think of how awesome that would be. But back here on Earth, that's not the way it works.

Bernie Sanders isn't electable at this time in American history. Get over it. A vote for Bernie is a vote that brings us one step close to a fucking Republican who will have the opportunity to appoint anywhere from 2-4 Supreme Court Justices. That's all you need to consider about who to vote for in the next Presidential Election. You wanna see your leftist ideology truly shit on from On High? Vote for Bernie and put another two Scalia's on the Court.

Hillary is the only option. Learn to live with it.

 

[untermensche]

Hillary has been in positions of great power for the last 3 decades.

If she had any great ideas we would know about them by now.

She has none.

What she has is a finger in the wind.

 

[Derec]

Those people who call her a liar are just reacting to their emotions and cannot name an actual lie.

How about Snipergate?

 

[Derec]

If she were a Republican with the exact same voting record and same policy positions (which isn't too far off, but it would be more on the traditional republican side as opposed to the new and improved Tea Party Repubs), they'd say she was a strong woman who just exhibited good leadership skills

Isn't that the crux of the problem the left wing of the Democratic Party and the Sandersistas have with her?

 

[arkirk]

Those people who call her a liar are just reacting to their emotions and cannot name an actual lie.

How about Snipergate?

Thank you Derec! You are not all bad! Though I do understand your motives. She really is not above "embellishing" but she is getting better. That one (Snipergate) probably forced her into intensive talking points briefings and scoldings by her masters for several months.

 

[untermensche]

If she were a Republican with the exact same voting record and same policy positions (which isn't too far off, but it would be more on the traditional republican side as opposed to the new and improved Tea Party Repubs), they'd say she was a strong woman who just exhibited good leadership skills

Isn't that the crux of the problem the left wing of the Democratic Party and the Sandersistas have with her?

She is what used to be called a moderate Republican, Obama too.

No more of them exist in the Republican party that has fallen off the tracks and is a very fringe and radical and dangerous party.

She voted to allow GW to just aggressively attack Iraq, as the nation cheered the deaths of innocent Muslims.

 

[fromderinside]

That would be four decades and it now includes having to defend her just doing her job during Watergate for Doar an Rodina. See what, for me, are what actually happened back then. Hillary Clinton was fired from the House Judiciary Committee's Watergate investigation by Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman. False http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

Hillary was there when Nixon was exorcised from the presidency, Was there when democrats moved to the middle and, under their leadership, produced the greatest economic expansion US history, was there when the US finally got out of Iraq, was there on the recovery team from the second greatest economic disaster in US history, was there when Qaddafi was removed with almost no US losses, and is here now to keep ACA and Dodd-Frank from being scuttled.

Other than she's been a constant target of the far right's smear machine she's a bright lady who has principles that will be very helpful over the next eight years.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Sanders can't win and the Dems have settled on Hillary.

Is she phony and insincere? Yes. She's also not likable. I'd much more prefer a Hillary who could just come out and say, "Oh, just shut the fuck up about me for once you bunch of sleazy assholes." She can't though. Republicans can get away with "Go fuck yourself," shooting others in the face, and threatening to throw reporters off balconies live on TV, but that shit's a no-go for Hillary.

Hillary does not come across as sincere because she has to play a role she knows is bullshit. No person is all things to all people. Yet she's been gritting her teeth and playing that idiot role ever since Bill ran for the White House. I remember her having to make cookies and the press then comparing her cookies to Barbara Bush's. For someone of tremendous intellect, strong ideals, and intelligence, it must have made her want to scream. And now, just in this moment, I understand why she still wants to be President after all of this bullshit she's been put through. She wants to win a second term and then start telling people to get fucked. Only then, when she is safe from ever having to run for office again, can she finally be real.

There is no one more qualified to be POTUS than she is. She was in the White House for 8 years, she's an attorney, a Senator, and the goddamn Secretary of State. She has been in this motherfucker for over 25 years now and she's got a hide 6 inches thick. Trump is supposed to be tough??? Put them in the octagon and Hillary wouldn't even bother to rip his comb-over off until she'd ripped his head off first---which would take her about 40 seconds.

Have all her decisions lined up with my ideology? Of course not. Oh well. If I want that to happen then I need to become POTUS, dissolve the bicameral and judicial system, and then make myself King of America. Then shit'll go my way all the time. Just think of how awesome that would be. But back here on Earth, that's not the way it works.

Bernie Sanders isn't electable at this time in American history. Get over it. A vote for Bernie is a vote that brings us one step close to a fucking Republican who will have the opportunity to appoint anywhere from 2-4 Supreme Court Justices. That's all you need to consider about who to vote for in the next Presidential Election. You wanna see your leftist ideology truly shit on from On High? Vote for Bernie and put another two Scalia's on the Court.

Hillary is the only option. Learn to live with it.

And this argument is what is going to make people say FUCK IT and stay home.

 

[untermensche]

That would be four decades and it now includes having to defend her just doing her job during Watergate for Doar an Rodina. See what, for me, are what actually happened back then. Hillary Clinton was fired from the House Judiciary Committee's Watergate investigation by Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman. False http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp

Hillary was there when Nixon was exorcised from the presidency, Was there when democrats moved to the middle and, under their leadership, produced the greatest economic expansion US history, was there when the US finally got out of Iraq, was there on the recovery team from the second greatest economic disaster in US history, was there when Qaddafi was removed with almost no US losses, and is here now to keep ACA and Dodd-Frank from being scuttled.

Other than she's been a constant target of the far right's smear machine she's a bright lady who has principles that will be very helpful over the next eight years.

She would basically be a blander and less imaginative Obama.

Far better than any of the dangerous radicals from the other side.

Far worse than Sanders who would bring the country into the civilized world.