What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

[Half-Life]

I think it is important not to conflate terms like white supremacism and antisemitism.

How about we just call both white supremacists and anti-semites "bigots"?
I don't like bigots.
Most bigots in the US are Trump supporters who sincerely don't believe they're bigots.
I call them smallots. Be bigger than that.

Sure, but just once we would like to hear a leftist say, "Black supremacists are evil bigots." Because if you don't say that, it looks like you support white genocide.

 

[Elixir]

I think it is important not to conflate terms like white supremacism and antisemitism.

How about we just call both white supremacists and anti-semites "bigots"?
I don't like bigots.
Most bigots in the US are Trump supporters who sincerely don't believe they're bigots.
I call them smallots. Be bigger than that.

Sure, but just once we would like to hear a leftist say, "Black supremacists are evil bigots." Because if you don't say that, it looks like you support white genocide.

Sure. Just as soon as I hear an alt-whitist decry the evil bigotry of trumpsucking morons. That's when I'll start asking any "leftists" I run into to start complaining about black supremacy.

Please don't post such idiotic stuff. Improve your program, or let the "live" half take over for a while.

 

[Patooka]

Sure, but just once we would like to hear a leftist say, "Black supremacists are evil bigots." Because if you don't say that, it looks like you support white genocide.

All it took was five seconds again:
Black nationalist hate groups identified by SPLC.

 

[ZiprHead]

I was actually responding to this post:

Pro-tip. If you are referring to post other than the one immediately above yours, include a quotation.

You may call my post 'whataboutism' but I think it is important not to conflate terms like white supremacism and antisemitism. It is also important to point out that non-whites can be supremacists and antisemites as well, because that tends to be ignored in these discussions.

Nice that you snipped out this part of that post.

but you snuck in more bullshit whataboutism while I was posting.

 

[Half-Life]

Sure, but just once we would like to hear a leftist say, "Black supremacists are evil bigots." Because if you don't say that, it looks like you support white genocide.

Sure. Just as soon as I hear an alt-whitist decry the evil bigotry of trumpsucking morons. That's when I'll start asking any "leftists" I run into to start complaining about black supremacy.

Please don't post such idiotic stuff. Improve your program, or let the "live" half take over for a while.

I did condemn the white supremacist shooters. I don't agree with killing people who are different. I only want the low IQ's and criminals (OF EVERY RACE) to be stopped.

I would take a high IQ peaceful black over a low IQ violent white.

But, somehow this is going to get flipped around and I will be called racist somehow.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There is nothing wrong with being a leftist if you're not violent about it.

There were lots of United States citizens that were pretty violent towards Nazis from 1939 to 1945. Lots of Canadians too.

Violence against actual Nazis, yes. Violent genocidal Nazis at war with us. There are very few actual Nazis anything like that around today and Antifa targets plenty of people who they label as Nazis but are not.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The left has really gone insane though. They play fast and loose with the labels to the point that they are calling Candace Owens and Ben Carson white supremacists.

No one can take that seriously. Yes, 2 black people are rooting for white supremacists who would kill them in 2 seconds.

They've sold their souls to the Republicans and have to say what they're supposed to.

 

[ZiprHead]

There is nothing wrong with being a leftist if you're not violent about it.

There were lots of United States citizens that were pretty violent towards Nazis from 1939 to 1945. Lots of Canadians too.

Violence against actual Nazis, yes. Violent genocidal Nazis at war with us. There are very few actual Nazis anything like that around today and Antifa targets plenty of people who they label as Nazis but are not.

Don't keep up much with the news, do you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

Antifa aren't the best and the brightest and their actions are often detrimental to their purpose, but they're a far cry from the white supremacists they nominally oppose.
Get rid of antifa and white supremacists will still be there. Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

He wants Antifa gone so they won't keep objecting to his white supremists.

As for the thread title, though--you have an error.

"What Trump Gets Wrong"--Error: Attempt to enumerate an infinite list.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

When you are upset about sides and endorsing violence and hatred and prejudice, rather than being upset about the endorsement of violence and hatred and prejudice, you are the fucking problem.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Sure, but just once we would like to hear a leftist say, "Black supremacists are evil bigots." Because if you don't say that, it looks like you support white genocide.

Sure. Just as soon as I hear an alt-whitist decry the evil bigotry of trumpsucking morons. That's when I'll start asking any "leftists" I run into to start complaining about black supremacy.

Please don't post such idiotic stuff. Improve your program, or let the "live" half take over for a while.

I did condemn the white supremacist shooters. I don't agree with killing people who are different. I only want the low IQ's and criminals (OF EVERY RACE) to be stopped.

I would take a high IQ peaceful black over a low IQ violent white.

But, somehow this is going to get flipped around and I will be called racist somehow.

Oh my gosh! Hitler just said he admired Jews with high IQs. What am I to think now?!

 

[Half-Life]

I did condemn the white supremacist shooters. I don't agree with killing people who are different. I only want the low IQ's and criminals (OF EVERY RACE) to be stopped.

I would take a high IQ peaceful black over a low IQ violent white.

But, somehow this is going to get flipped around and I will be called racist somehow.

Oh my gosh! Hitler just said he admired Jews with high IQs. What am I to think now?!

Hitler was a vegetarian, so all vegetarians are Nazis. Pretty foolish.

If I were in charge of the citizenship, I would give citizenship to a high IQ black over a low IQ violent white.

Who in their right mind would allow the criminal in WILLINGLY?

 

[Patooka]

I did condemn the white supremacist shooters. I don't agree with killing people who are different. I only want the low IQ's and criminals (OF EVERY RACE) to be stopped.

I would take a high IQ peaceful black over a low IQ violent white.

But, somehow this is going to get flipped around and I will be called racist somehow.

Oh my gosh! Hitler just said he admired Jews with high IQs. What am I to think now?!

Hitler was a vegetarian, so all vegetarians are Nazis. Pretty foolish.

If I were in charge of the citizenship, I would give citizenship to a high IQ black over a low IQ violent white.

Who in their right mind would allow the criminal in WILLINGLY?

Do you think you would be able to qualify for citizenship if such a test was implemented?

 

[Harry Bosch]

What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

Antifa aren't the best and the brightest and their actions are often detrimental to their purpose, but they're a far cry from the white supremacists they nominally oppose.
Get rid of antifa and white supremacists will still be there. Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

He wants Antifa gone so they won't keep objecting to his white supremists.

As for the thread title, though--you have an error.

"What Trump Gets Wrong"--Error: Attempt to enumerate an infinite list.

Naw, I don't agree with this at all. Trump loves Antifia, Islamic dark skinned terrorists, dark skinned immigrants, and anyone else that he can demonize to demonstrate how he is protecting his sheep.

 

[Elixir]

I only want the low IQ's and criminals (OF EVERY RACE) to be stopped.

I sure don't hear you calling for anyone to stop the low-IQ criminal Trump.
Hypocrite!

 

[KeepTalking]

What's wrong with using their actual initialism? Or even the full name Nazionalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Using either of the above may serve to confuse the issue, as they are terms that are less likely to be recognized by the average person than the term 'Nazi'. So why would you use it? Are you trying to confuse the issue, or are you just trying to show off your intimate knowledge of the nomenclature used by actual Nazis?

Because the term is hopelessly overused in contemporary discourse.

In this case, it is also 100% accurate, and would avoid any misunderstanding about the fact that you are talking about actual fucking Nazis.

They got started by opposing the fucking Nazis,

Again, they were and are extremists themselves. Just because they opposed the bad guys does not necessarily make them good guys. Stalin eventually got around to fighting Hitler. Doesn't make him a good guy.

Yeah, sure, bad guys can oppose other bad guys. Now present your evidence that the German Antifa of the 1930s were actually bad guys (hint: just because they were communists doesn't make them bad guys), and while you are at it why don't you go ahead and present that direct line of succession between them and the current antifas in the USA that you claimed earlier.

and would never have existed if not for the fucking Nazis.

Highly questionable. As an organ of the communist party, anybody who rejects communism is the enemy.

No. They were anti-fascists, meaning they oppose fascists, without fascists to oppose they would not have existed. This is elementary reasoning, Derec.

Just like the current antifas. If there were not so many wannabe Nazis running around in, and in some cases actually running, our country right now then very few Americans would be familiar with the term "antifa".

They call everybody who disagrees with their far left politics fascists.
For example, Antifas violently rioted in Hamburg 2 years ago over the G20 economic summit.
WATCH: 5 Key Moments from the G20 Night of Antifa Riots in Hamburg, Germany

We are discussing antifas in the USA, and what Trump gets wrong about them. Your bringing up unrelated groups protesting the G20 in Germany could only serve to confuse the issue, again. Why do you repeatedly post things that seem to be deliberate attempts to confuse the issue when it comes to antifa?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Using either of the above may serve to confuse the issue, as they are terms that are less likely to be recognized by the average person than the term 'Nazi'. So why would you use it? Are you trying to confuse the issue, or are you just trying to show off your intimate knowledge of the nomenclature used by actual Nazis?

Maybe to show that the Nazis actually grew out of a socialism and worker oriented leftist party, to become what is probably the opposite of what the original founders of that party intended. If people cling to labels and tribal division, they can become everything that they say they oppose. Antifa does this on a smaller scale as well. Preach tolerant and peaceful society and say you are against fascism, and then viciously attack people for not adhering to their views, while calling them a label to dehumanize them.

 

[KeepTalking]

Using either of the above may serve to confuse the issue, as they are terms that are less likely to be recognized by the average person than the term 'Nazi'. So why would you use it? Are you trying to confuse the issue, or are you just trying to show off your intimate knowledge of the nomenclature used by actual Nazis?

Maybe to show that the Nazis actually grew out of a socialism and worker oriented leftist party, to become what is probably the opposite of what the original founders of that party intended.

If that were what he was doing, don't you think he would have made comments to the effect when trotting out the acronym for the Nazi party that no one uses? Simply using the acronym in isolation, with no commentary on it does not comport with your explanation. But now you have given him cover, so good job there.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

When the Crips fight the Bloods, nobody says "If you're not a Blood that means you're with the Crips. If you hate the Crips that means you're a Blood." If someone actually does say it, nobody takes it seriously.

When it is Fascists and Antifa on the other hand, people actually believe that absurd "logic".

I know I know, Antifa only means "Anti First Amendment", no it means "Anti-Fascist". Because their name says they are anti-fascist, that means they are anti-fascist, just like how National Socialists are not Socialists because their name was propaganda and a lie, just like how the name "Antifa" means they are anti-fascist. And of course they have no beliefs other than opposing fascists, which is why they oppose so many other people above and beyond fascists. They have no central ideology except they do but you can't call them on it because they give themselves a name based on what they oppose instead of what they support.

Also because there isn't a club charter and membership list, that means Antifa doesn't even exist in the first place, except for all the various organizations that do exist under the Antifa banner.

If you don't like it when Antifa gets violent, somehow that means you don't like it when the protest peacefully. If they actually do that is. Because opposing violence means you oppose everything else about them. If they see people waving banners, and respond by waving banners, I wouldn't have a problem with them. I never see that. If you punch someone for waving a banner, you're the bad guy.