What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

[Elixir]

How many white people have been publicly lynched by angry black mobs, Derec?

We are not speaking of 100 years ago, we are speaking of now. We do not see black people being lynched now either.
But twice as many white people get murdered than blacks than vice versa, according to FBI.

First they were slavers, sowing turmoil between african tribes and buying captives who were the results of the conflicts they fomented. Then the war of northern aggression tried to put a stop to it, but the economic necessity of keeping a disadvantaged population disadvantaged took precedence over the expressed desire for equality. Now it's time for the poor oppressed white people of North America to vote in some damn law and order and let FREE markets decide what the scum are worth, right?

 

[JohnG]

The anti fascists you are hearing about now are not members of the German Communist party, or are they affiliated with them.

There is a direct line of succession between the original Antifa and the present day one. They are still far leftists who see everybody who disagrees with them as "fascists". There is no reason to assume they will go away anytime soon.

In the recent wake of far right violence (Charlottesville for example), mass shootings, bombings, they are showing up to protect their communities.

Bullshit! They are the far left version of Proud Boys and similar groups.

You never even heard of antifa before 2016.

Vladimir Vinnichenko, one of the leaders of the 1817-1921 revolution in Ukraine and political and public figure and author, said about the pogroms:
“The main causes of this horrible and disgusting phenomenon consists above all in the age-long ignorance, the downtrodden and tormented condition of ordinary men and women (especially peasants). Always taking advantage of this ignorance was the criminal element back during the tsarism. It was very easy to direct dark impulses against Jewry, and the ringleaders took advantage of the fact.” 1

https://www.bsb-muenchen.de/mikro/lit485.pdf

The Russian pogroms were about eradicating Jews, but the political motives are the same as groups like the proud boys. In Russia, the neighbourhoods where there were survivors were protected by their own neighbourhood gangs.

You don’t really expect white supremacists Nazis showing up in body armour and weapons to just be welcomed into communities under the banner of free speech? You underestimate your own countrymen.

 

[Politesse]

Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

Given how Antifa got their start in the 30s as an organ of the German Communist Party, I very much doubt that.

That's more or less what Elixir said; Antifa arises in response to Nazis.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Antifa is generally out there doing their thing, protesting fine... violence not so fine, without much direction from anyone. Meanwhile the racist fuck bags are out there demonstrating, being egged on by the President of the United States. The gnashing of teeth over Antifa is an absurd level of Moore-Coulter. Rand Paul wants to put them on the terror list. The significance is notable and maybe forgotten, but ultimately, it allows their civil rights to be violated. In general, this can be seen as an attempt to quash left-wing protests of Trump, because Antifa being so disorganized and lacking centralization, anyone could be said to be a member of Antifa.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Antifa is generally out there doing their thing, protesting fine... violence not so fine, without much direction from anyone. Meanwhile the racist fuck bags are out there demonstrating, being egged on by the President of the United States. The gnashing of teeth over Antifa is an absurd level of Moore-Coulter. Rand Paul wants to put them on the terror list. The significance is notable and maybe forgotten, but ultimately, it allows their civil rights to be violated. In general, this can be seen as an attempt to quash left-wing protests of Trump, because Antifa being so disorganized and lacking centralization, anyone could be said to be a member of Antifa.

Antifa's detractors are basically anti-semites and holocaust deniers in camo. Their love of things like Hitler is undeniable.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Antifa is generally out there doing their thing, protesting fine... violence not so fine, without much direction from anyone. Meanwhile the racist fuck bags are out there demonstrating, being egged on by the President of the United States. The gnashing of teeth over Antifa is an absurd level of Moore-Coulter. Rand Paul wants to put them on the terror list. The significance is notable and maybe forgotten, but ultimately, it allows their civil rights to be violated. In general, this can be seen as an attempt to quash left-wing protests of Trump, because Antifa being so disorganized and lacking centralization, anyone could be said to be a member of Antifa.

Antifa's detractors are basically anti-semites and holocaust deniers in camo. Their love of things like Hitler is undeniable.

My problem with Antifia is when they get violent. I really think that they are giving the Nazis and far right groups exactly what they want: sympathy and attention.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Antifa is generally out there doing their thing, protesting fine... violence not so fine, without much direction from anyone. Meanwhile the racist fuck bags are out there demonstrating, being egged on by the President of the United States. The gnashing of teeth over Antifa is an absurd level of Moore-Coulter. Rand Paul wants to put them on the terror list. The significance is notable and maybe forgotten, but ultimately, it allows their civil rights to be violated. In general, this can be seen as an attempt to quash left-wing protests of Trump, because Antifa being so disorganized and lacking centralization, anyone could be said to be a member of Antifa.

Antifa's detractors are basically anti-semites and holocaust deniers in camo. Their love of things like Hitler is undeniable.

My problem with Antifia is when they get violent. I really think that they are giving the Nazis and far right groups exactly what they want: sympathy and attention.

In general, these people seem like the same that always protest the G8 (G7?) conferences and what not. Show up, throw some things, burn a trash can, make a mess, and leave.

 

[KeepTalking]

Hmmm, I wonder what was going on in Germany in the 1930s that might have gotten them started?

In the Weimar Republic there were fascist groups like NSDAP but there were also communist groups.

The NSDAP? I think they went by another name that most would recognize more readily. Why don't you use that name?

The name in question: Nazi. They got started by opposing the fucking Nazis, and would never have existed if not for the fucking Nazis. Just like the current antifas. If there were not so many wannabe Nazis running around in, and in some cases actually running, our country right now then very few Americans would be familiar with the term "antifa".

 

[KeepTalking]

The anti fascists you are hearing about now are not members of the German Communist party, or are they affiliated with them.

There is a direct line of succession between the original Antifa and the present day one.

Well then, it should be a simple thing to show that "direct line of succession" then, so why don't you go ahead and do that?

 

[KeepTalking]

We don't need them in Portland anymore. We have excellent police force. We've found that if Proud Boys just march and say their BS that they'll leave. No big deal. But when Antifia is here, egging them on, it gets worse. We don't need the fighting in Portland...

If you are making reference to the Proud Boys Rally over the weekend, the antifas were there, and it didn't get worse did it? It was the wannabe Nazis who changed their attitude for the march, in an attempt to show that the antifas were the more violent side. What they showed was that when the Nazis rein themselves in there is considerably less violence. Almost as if the antifas are generally reacting to violence, not instigating it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

Antifa aren't the best and the brightest and their actions are often detrimental to their purpose, but they're a far cry from the white supremacists they nominally oppose.
Get rid of antifa and white supremacists will still be there. Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

That probably matches the logic in the mind of Anifa, but what you're failing to factor in is that "white supermacist" is a label they loosely apply to an ever growing group of people who aren't.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Antifa is generally out there doing their thing, protesting fine... violence not so fine, without much direction from anyone. Meanwhile the racist fuck bags are out there demonstrating, being egged on by the President of the United States. The gnashing of teeth over Antifa is an absurd level of Moore-Coulter. Rand Paul wants to put them on the terror list. The significance is notable and maybe forgotten, but ultimately, it allows their civil rights to be violated. In general, this can be seen as an attempt to quash left-wing protests of Trump, because Antifa being so disorganized and lacking centralization, anyone could be said to be a member of Antifa.

Antifa's detractors are basically anti-semites and holocaust deniers in camo. Their love of things like Hitler is undeniable.

My problem with Antifia is when they get violent. I really think that they are giving the Nazis and far right groups exactly what they want: sympathy and attention.

Smack the violent members of antifa and smack the violent Hitlerites. Works for me. The Hitler followers are selling hate and racism. Antifa is clearly opposed to their hate and racism, so I'll go with antifa.

That probably matches the logic in the mind of Anifa, but what you're failing to factor in is that "white supermacist" is a label they loosely apply to an every growing group of people who aren't.

What new names do you propose for KKK and Nazi?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

That probably matches the logic in the mind of Anifa, but what you're failing to factor in is that "white supermacist" is a label they loosely apply to an every growing group of people who aren't.

What new names do you propose for KKK and Nazi?

Everyone is a "Nazi" these days in the mindset of more and more people on the "left". Even fellow liberals. And its more and more being normalized that its ok to do violence to people once you've labelled them a "nazi". Its a far cry from actual literal nazis. The Antifa people more and more engage in authoritarian violent behaviour rather than opposing it. We need more peace minded people (on both sides) and a free marketplace of ideas to explore and clash. The ideas need to fight and slay each other, so the human beings aren't fighting and slaying each other.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

Antifa aren't the best and the brightest and their actions are often detrimental to their purpose, but they're a far cry from the white supremacists they nominally oppose.
Get rid of antifa and white supremacists will still be there. Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

That probably matches the logic in the mind of Anifa, but what you're failing to factor in is that "white supermacist" is a label they loosely apply to an ever growing group of people who aren't.

Yes... those guys chanting about Jews aren't white-supremos... they just don't like the Jewish.

 

[marc]

What Trump Gets Wrong About Antifa

Antifa aren't the best and the brightest and their actions are often detrimental to their purpose, but they're a far cry from the white supremacists they nominally oppose.
Get rid of antifa and white supremacists will still be there. Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.

That probably matches the logic in the mind of Anifa, but what you're failing to factor in is that "white supermacist" is a label they loosely apply to an ever growing group of people who aren't.

Yes... those guys chanting about Jews aren't white-supremos... they just don't like the Jewish.

or I'm sure its just a prank that a schools water polo team did a Nazi salute and song when getting an award

 

[Elixir]

Everyone is a "Nazi" these days in the mindset of more and more people on the "left".

Everyone these days is a leftist, in the mindset of the increasing number of Nazis.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Everyone is a "Nazi" these days in the mindset of more and more people on the "left".

Everyone these days is a leftist, in the mindset of the increasing number of Nazis.

There is nothing wrong with being a leftist if you're not violent about it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Everyone is a "Nazi" these days in the mindset of more and more people on the "left".

Everyone these days is a leftist, in the mindset of the increasing number of Nazis.

There is nothing wrong with being a leftist if you're not violent about it.

How diplomatic of you. Most leftists aren't violent. Most rightists (word?) aren't violent. Far-right neo-nazi assholes are monsters and with the candidacy of Donald Trump have crawled out from under the rocks they were living in... feeling quite emboldened.

Antifa is counterproductive and has moved their target from G8 meetings to racist ass bags, a little bit of an improvement.

 

[Half-Life]

The left has really gone insane though. They play fast and loose with the labels to the point that they are calling Candace Owens and Ben Carson white supremacists.

No one can take that seriously. Yes, 2 black people are rooting for white supremacists who would kill them in 2 seconds.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The left has really gone insane though. They play fast and loose with the labels to the point that they are calling Candace Owens and Ben Carson white supremacists.

No one can take that seriously.

Ironic... don't you think?