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My dad remarked that the show changed things up by evil not being created by Satan. I told him that was the way things were in the Old Testament.
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My dad remarked that the show changed things up by evil not being created by Satan. I told him that was the way things were in the Old Testament.
Haven't seen any Lucifer. Did Lucifer hang a drug dealer from a balcony? I may have seen that part when surfing or maybe I dreamed it. I've seen the guys photo and he looks like he'd be a good Lucifer. They embody satan and Lucifer in the same vessel like in the show Supernatural?
In Supernatural, Mark Pellegrino Lucifer/satan is a very likable Guy. Pellegrino is hard to take seriously as the actual devil because the writers can't harness a satanic enough wit. Lucifer isn't too conflicted in Supernatural. Pellegrino spoke on his personal philosophy about the character and it was not a bad philosophy, but he is directed wrong and without much screen time. He could be an amazing devil if the show stepped up the writing. He shows up a few times, every few years. In the most recent episode, God made his first appearance in the ten or so year span of the show. God has a cat blog.
Supernatural is aimed at tweens who like 35 year old men and witchcraft. That is probably more about money than any intentional wrongdoing. Lucifer is on FOX?
God angels and satan devil demons possessing humans and fighting it out in the streets = awesome, and Supernatural is unfortunately the closet that gets to good. I'd like to see more shows with that theme. If we're talking about fluffy CW shows, we aren't getting much substance, but Supernatural is at least consistent.
Have you watched Penny Dreadful? Another universe where monsters are everywhere and they are MAD. It is taking place in 1892 I believe. I like shows in that time period. The show doesn't collide with the universe of -The Knick so far, but I think the time line matches up. The knick isn't about fake evil though. The Knick is more frightening than anything on television in a much realer way. HBO is my favorite source for shows. Penny Dreadful is on Showtime and it is the same money vacuum they use basically but HBO shows have an ambience that Showtime and Stars can't achieve though they try. The knick is not on HBO, but HBO acquired it somehow because it belongs on HBO.
Can you recommend any other high dollar shows about scary evil demon battles, confused angels, monster killers and stuff like that?
In Supernatural, Mark Pellegrino Lucifer/satan is a very likable Guy. Pellegrino is hard to take seriously as the actual devil because the writers can't harness a satanic enough wit. Lucifer isn't too conflicted in Supernatural. Pellegrino spoke on his personal philosophy about the character and it was not a bad philosophy, but he is directed wrong and without much screen time. He could be an amazing devil if the show stepped up the writing. He shows up a few times, every few years. In the most recent episode, God made his first appearance in the ten or so year span of the show. God has a cat blog.
Supernatural is aimed at tweens who like 35 year old men and witchcraft. That is probably more about money than any intentional wrongdoing. Lucifer is on FOX?
God angels and satan devil demons possessing humans and fighting it out in the streets = awesome, and Supernatural is unfortunately the closet that gets to good. I'd like to see more shows with that theme. If we're talking about fluffy CW shows, we aren't getting much substance, but Supernatural is at least consistent.
Have you watched Penny Dreadful? Another universe where monsters are everywhere and they are MAD. It is taking place in 1892 I believe. I like shows in that time period. The show doesn't collide with the universe of -The Knick so far, but I think the time line matches up. The knick isn't about fake evil though. The Knick is more frightening than anything on television in a much realer way. HBO is my favorite source for shows. Penny Dreadful is on Showtime and it is the same money vacuum they use basically but HBO shows have an ambience that Showtime and Stars can't achieve though they try. The knick is not on HBO, but HBO acquired it somehow because it belongs on HBO.
Can you recommend any other high dollar shows about scary evil demon battles, confused angels, monster killers and stuff like that?
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I don't know if Youtube channels count as TV, but what the hell. Here I'm going.
I've been nerding out on nerd medieval weaponry channels. I'm fascinated, not so much of the subject matter as of how much these guys take this shit seriously, and how much they spend on this. It's like unintentional comedy. I can't stop watching. They're great.
Metatron: Italian guy nerdgasming over Romans. His videos Nerd raging over the History Channel are golden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlga0928kq0
Skallagrim: Don't know if this guy thinks he's Aragorn or Legalos. Either way, cracks me up. Just look at him and try not to laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we5yu1KKCuU
Shad: This guy is specialised on shields. No, I don't get it either. But still fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJNbnJw_eBo
I should point out that I'm not just laughing at these guys. I'm genuinely interested. While being nerdy they do know their stuff and it is interesting.
I've been nerding out on nerd medieval weaponry channels. I'm fascinated, not so much of the subject matter as of how much these guys take this shit seriously, and how much they spend on this. It's like unintentional comedy. I can't stop watching. They're great.
Metatron: Italian guy nerdgasming over Romans. His videos Nerd raging over the History Channel are golden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlga0928kq0
Skallagrim: Don't know if this guy thinks he's Aragorn or Legalos. Either way, cracks me up. Just look at him and try not to laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we5yu1KKCuU
Shad: This guy is specialised on shields. No, I don't get it either. But still fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJNbnJw_eBo
I should point out that I'm not just laughing at these guys. I'm genuinely interested. While being nerdy they do know their stuff and it is interesting.
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Have you seen Lindybeige? He's (intentionally) hilarious, and I've actually learned some stuff from his videos.
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I'll check it out. Thanks
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In Lucifer it's the same person. He didn't hang a drug deal from a balcony - he blasted out a window and hung ONTO a drug dealer by his gold chains while interrogating him.
Lucifer in Lucifer isn't conflicted about his job, just the job assignment.
Yup, it's on FOX. It's made for an older crowd.
The show Lucifer isn't like that.
I got Showtime free for a year and started to watch Penny Dreadful because the concept looked great, but it didn't hold my interest. Too much hyper violence and angst from everyone and very little humor.
Don't watch shows like that, sorry.
Right. Penny Dreadful is all angst and no humor. It is pretty to look at. Eva Green is a true gothic beauty and her voice is... she sounds like a prostitute on heroin taking a dump, but it turns me on.
Lucifer I assumed was some psychological attack at first. I still have the suspicion, but I haven't watched any yet. I'll explain. Satan is the scapegoat, not the hot LA detective mowing down beav and smoking cloves, or whatever they have him doing. Satan is to blame for suffering. You subconsciously switch things around (even if you're not religious) and the cause of your suffering shifts back to God. You believe in God just like you believe the devil is in LA. I'm saying repeating the ritual and hearing the tune at the beginning of the show dries concrete in your brain and eventually you wont even know why you blame and hate God. Everything does it. TV people humanizing the devil and making him someone you want to screw or emulate = money of course but it is also warfare. Do you know what I'm saying? I was saving Lucifer for when I can pay attention, because if my mind is going to be raped, I try to convince my mind it is enjoying it. It takes concentration and shamelessness.
Kid shows on CW are under the same shadow and they are no better. Supernatural is depicting God as a temperamental loser. Satan aka Lucifer is the coolest guy on the show. They use every mythological monster in history to mutilate God in the minds of stupid kids. Oh, and they want to make them homosexual drug addicts. Satanic ones. Yep. I've been watching more out of curiosity and boredom, putting myself in the shoes of the kids subjected to this shit. Supernatural is totally perverted. The 35 year old sex symbol painting satanic symbols in blood, who appeals only to a Junior High demographic. That is worse than anything happening on TV isn't it?
I wanted to make a list of the current shows doing this satanic breakdancing bullshit but I didn't get any suggestions.
Lucifer I assumed was some psychological attack at first. I still have the suspicion, but I haven't watched any yet. I'll explain. Satan is the scapegoat, not the hot LA detective mowing down beav and smoking cloves, or whatever they have him doing. Satan is to blame for suffering. You subconsciously switch things around (even if you're not religious) and the cause of your suffering shifts back to God. You believe in God just like you believe the devil is in LA. I'm saying repeating the ritual and hearing the tune at the beginning of the show dries concrete in your brain and eventually you wont even know why you blame and hate God. Everything does it. TV people humanizing the devil and making him someone you want to screw or emulate = money of course but it is also warfare. Do you know what I'm saying? I was saving Lucifer for when I can pay attention, because if my mind is going to be raped, I try to convince my mind it is enjoying it. It takes concentration and shamelessness.
Kid shows on CW are under the same shadow and they are no better. Supernatural is depicting God as a temperamental loser. Satan aka Lucifer is the coolest guy on the show. They use every mythological monster in history to mutilate God in the minds of stupid kids. Oh, and they want to make them homosexual drug addicts. Satanic ones. Yep. I've been watching more out of curiosity and boredom, putting myself in the shoes of the kids subjected to this shit. Supernatural is totally perverted. The 35 year old sex symbol painting satanic symbols in blood, who appeals only to a Junior High demographic. That is worse than anything happening on TV isn't it?
I wanted to make a list of the current shows doing this satanic breakdancing bullshit but I didn't get any suggestions.
Viceland is my new favorite TV channel. All the shows I've seen so far get high ratings. Weediquette, Noisey, States of Undress, and Woman are the ones I've seen. Watched a bit of Huang's World and that's probably good, too.
States of Undress and Woman have been absolutely amazing. Both of these should be required viewing for anyone who thinks they should comment in discussions of women's issues and studies.
States of Undress and Woman have been absolutely amazing. Both of these should be required viewing for anyone who thinks they should comment in discussions of women's issues and studies.
Okay that post looks strange. I said you, but I do not mean you. I was speaking of TV perception as a whole. The majority of people out there are nothing like you. You're of course special and immune. TV has to be addressed for what it is. Escaping modern psychologies and conspiracy theory, the situation can look quite simple.
This may clarify. TV is life. When your day is unfolding, it is in sequences. It unfolds like a commercialized network television show. That is how you live. Some of you ritualize everything to the point of indistinguishibility when it comes to television and your life. I liked the TV era because it was less complicated than what is obviously happening now. It brings to thought a ten year old child. When I was ten and bored, I was bashing He Man toys together and saying fuck repeatedly. A ten year old today can watch a mime burned to death in a tire fire, if bored. Every answer is in a kids pocket. The effort it takes to learn something can be the actual the lesson in many cases. People are getting dumber, but that isn't much to do with this actual point. It has a LOT to do with it, but I'm trying to paint a less abstract picture here.
The point that satan does not exist does not apply. Satan does exist and he occupies a lot of your free time. I'm doused with a good bit of Godly shows and movies, so the spread is pretty even. In a way, the satan shit is still confirming there is a God, but believing either is unhealthy, when you think about the future and what it actually means. I'm given 3 words by God when I look around me. No other possibility. It really doesn't matter what is real, and what isn't. We make reality, and the presence of God is utterly unavoidable, so etc etc etc.
K so there are two big things you don't fuck with. Satan and God. They will mess you up. One is the cause of lymphoma and the other can give you eternal life. People believe this shit man, stay with me for a moment. The balance should always be that bad is on the satan side. Satan should always be the butt of a Nazi rifle. The worst things you can think of. The balance is of course stupid and unreal, but is it? An unreligious person who happens to watch television is no better than a Christian making out with snakes. I went 3 years with no religion or electronics, and I gotta tell you it was miserable. The electronics part was the worst. I gained no actual insight from the experience and I think that was the point, but anxiety in my life did rise when I added television back into the ritual mix. The internet still had it's hooks in me, but just for biz. I rule out the internet as the cause of the anxiety. The anxiety steadily increased as I got into some shows. I love shows. It has been years since I went without television and I am fully committed to television again. God grant me the strength to change the channel, the courage to find the remote and the wisdom to know the difference between the remotes. One day at a time with the TV lately. I try but some days I binge. That is where I'm at, and this is what I see. Television has destroyed my self esteem. You know how a song can ring in your head all day? So can an image. Moving images even. You visually see your memories more frequently than you see what is physically in front of your face. What do you remember? You want to think of a relaxed moment when you weren't feeling judged. You like your puffy chair and surround sounds. Lucifer understands you. In a lot of ways, Lucifer is you. Lucifer isn't so bad. He's hot, too. God is bad. I bet he is really ugly. Yeah I want what I want and I want it now. Lucifer is my father anyway, so I'm going to steal from work and screw my friend's wife. TELEVISION.
I'm not saying this in a negative way. I'm not apathetic. I'm also not suggesting you form a committee. I do suggest being Christian, but that is neither here nor there. Actually it is there, but we're here, so there is no use trying. We're far past the point of doing anything about television, too. I just find it interesting. It is so amazing that an equation that huge can be cooked up and then psychological teams can make it work. Is that not amazing? Have you ever pondered how trippy the entertainment industry actually is? Like how much unseen influence is there? Seriously, it is almost too much to talk about without satan confusing you into thinking it is a joke. I thought about it when I was falling asleep and God gave me a million dollar quote, but satan stole it while I slept. Satan, the dog slobbering over me as I sleep with the television on, repeating it's subliminalities to the part of me that is still conscious. I wake up - I love the smell of my soap and I crave a Hardees biscuit.
Do you consider that a human made satan is probably more evil than a God made satan? I'd go on and on, but maybe there is something here you'd like to comment about?
This may clarify. TV is life. When your day is unfolding, it is in sequences. It unfolds like a commercialized network television show. That is how you live. Some of you ritualize everything to the point of indistinguishibility when it comes to television and your life. I liked the TV era because it was less complicated than what is obviously happening now. It brings to thought a ten year old child. When I was ten and bored, I was bashing He Man toys together and saying fuck repeatedly. A ten year old today can watch a mime burned to death in a tire fire, if bored. Every answer is in a kids pocket. The effort it takes to learn something can be the actual the lesson in many cases. People are getting dumber, but that isn't much to do with this actual point. It has a LOT to do with it, but I'm trying to paint a less abstract picture here.
The point that satan does not exist does not apply. Satan does exist and he occupies a lot of your free time. I'm doused with a good bit of Godly shows and movies, so the spread is pretty even. In a way, the satan shit is still confirming there is a God, but believing either is unhealthy, when you think about the future and what it actually means. I'm given 3 words by God when I look around me. No other possibility. It really doesn't matter what is real, and what isn't. We make reality, and the presence of God is utterly unavoidable, so etc etc etc.
K so there are two big things you don't fuck with. Satan and God. They will mess you up. One is the cause of lymphoma and the other can give you eternal life. People believe this shit man, stay with me for a moment. The balance should always be that bad is on the satan side. Satan should always be the butt of a Nazi rifle. The worst things you can think of. The balance is of course stupid and unreal, but is it? An unreligious person who happens to watch television is no better than a Christian making out with snakes. I went 3 years with no religion or electronics, and I gotta tell you it was miserable. The electronics part was the worst. I gained no actual insight from the experience and I think that was the point, but anxiety in my life did rise when I added television back into the ritual mix. The internet still had it's hooks in me, but just for biz. I rule out the internet as the cause of the anxiety. The anxiety steadily increased as I got into some shows. I love shows. It has been years since I went without television and I am fully committed to television again. God grant me the strength to change the channel, the courage to find the remote and the wisdom to know the difference between the remotes. One day at a time with the TV lately. I try but some days I binge. That is where I'm at, and this is what I see. Television has destroyed my self esteem. You know how a song can ring in your head all day? So can an image. Moving images even. You visually see your memories more frequently than you see what is physically in front of your face. What do you remember? You want to think of a relaxed moment when you weren't feeling judged. You like your puffy chair and surround sounds. Lucifer understands you. In a lot of ways, Lucifer is you. Lucifer isn't so bad. He's hot, too. God is bad. I bet he is really ugly. Yeah I want what I want and I want it now. Lucifer is my father anyway, so I'm going to steal from work and screw my friend's wife. TELEVISION.
I'm not saying this in a negative way. I'm not apathetic. I'm also not suggesting you form a committee. I do suggest being Christian, but that is neither here nor there. Actually it is there, but we're here, so there is no use trying. We're far past the point of doing anything about television, too. I just find it interesting. It is so amazing that an equation that huge can be cooked up and then psychological teams can make it work. Is that not amazing? Have you ever pondered how trippy the entertainment industry actually is? Like how much unseen influence is there? Seriously, it is almost too much to talk about without satan confusing you into thinking it is a joke. I thought about it when I was falling asleep and God gave me a million dollar quote, but satan stole it while I slept. Satan, the dog slobbering over me as I sleep with the television on, repeating it's subliminalities to the part of me that is still conscious. I wake up - I love the smell of my soap and I crave a Hardees biscuit.
Do you consider that a human made satan is probably more evil than a God made satan? I'd go on and on, but maybe there is something here you'd like to comment about?
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I'm honored that they made a TV show after me! I'm not sure how good the TV show is, but the books are terrific.
Covert Affairs - 6/10
Sort of an Alias remake about some hot young spy girl, but the one doesn't spend quite as much time kicking people in the head while wearing high heels. They try to focus more on doing actual spy craft than on kicking people in the head while wearing high heels, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It drifts between interesting and tedious while favouring interesting.
Sort of an Alias remake about some hot young spy girl, but the one doesn't spend quite as much time kicking people in the head while wearing high heels. They try to focus more on doing actual spy craft than on kicking people in the head while wearing high heels, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It drifts between interesting and tedious while favouring interesting.
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I of course mean me, when I say you or you. Myself is all I have at the end of the day. I don't actually know, but this next part is right on the money and you'll agree.
The situation is actually more than just a television and how I react to it. The situation is more like, satan owns us all. I'm sorry that there are forces beyond our control making this sound insane. I must attempt to explain the way I see what is happening to what I assume is us.
You see that we're quickly forming a sort of techno pagan culture worldwide. You see this. How could you not? It is a culture feeding on a really fucked up entertainment machine. We're not even dependent on material being generated for us. We're mocking what we've seen on television for a half century. Now television is actually becoming inconsequential and The fiction isn't in the entertainment necessarily. We're still on the same page yes?
When I think how intimate we are with our electronics and our evil entertainment about Lucifer and child killers, I get concerned about how people are reacting psychologically. I saw what I considered satan doing it's acrobatics in a Law and Order episode when I was a kid, and the thought has built since. I wondered why my family went through a relatively normal and happy day, then ate dinner while watching children get locked in closets and stabbed, on tv. The ritual I always raised my eyebrow to.
I'll stop there and wait for your opinion because your opinion is important to me. Do you agree with me? Society is becoming satanic and scary? We subconsciously want to have sex with corpses, kill our families and live eternal in satan, and that is why we like zombies shows? We want a perfect universe like Game of Thrones, where the gods are actually magic, and murdering your father isn't such a big deal? What exactly do we think we get out of our entertainment? What exactly is our entertainment getting out of us?
I committed to stopping there. I'll stop there.
The situation is actually more than just a television and how I react to it. The situation is more like, satan owns us all. I'm sorry that there are forces beyond our control making this sound insane. I must attempt to explain the way I see what is happening to what I assume is us.
You see that we're quickly forming a sort of techno pagan culture worldwide. You see this. How could you not? It is a culture feeding on a really fucked up entertainment machine. We're not even dependent on material being generated for us. We're mocking what we've seen on television for a half century. Now television is actually becoming inconsequential and The fiction isn't in the entertainment necessarily. We're still on the same page yes?
When I think how intimate we are with our electronics and our evil entertainment about Lucifer and child killers, I get concerned about how people are reacting psychologically. I saw what I considered satan doing it's acrobatics in a Law and Order episode when I was a kid, and the thought has built since. I wondered why my family went through a relatively normal and happy day, then ate dinner while watching children get locked in closets and stabbed, on tv. The ritual I always raised my eyebrow to.
I'll stop there and wait for your opinion because your opinion is important to me. Do you agree with me? Society is becoming satanic and scary? We subconsciously want to have sex with corpses, kill our families and live eternal in satan, and that is why we like zombies shows? We want a perfect universe like Game of Thrones, where the gods are actually magic, and murdering your father isn't such a big deal? What exactly do we think we get out of our entertainment? What exactly is our entertainment getting out of us?
I committed to stopping there. I'll stop there.
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Oh, well, you don't need me, then.
Probably not.
No one owns me. Well, except maybe my mortgage company, but I digress. Satan is a non-existent, imaginary entity as best as I can tell, so I'm not particularly worried about Satan owning anyone.
Well, I'm a big fan of MST3K and Rifftrax, but I suspect you are talking about something different here. Let's just say that we're not even in the same book, much less on the same page.
I'm not a big fan of the procedural dramas like Law and Order. I prefer my entertainment to be more entertainy. Art does imitate life, however, and I can guarantee you that children were locked into closets and stabbed long before this was first depicted on film or TV. At least on those TV shows the killer is always caught by the good guys, and the viewer is supposed to be rooting on the good guys.
If you think Game of Thrones depicts a perfect universe, then you apparently haven't been paying attention. It is a particularly brutal and malevolent universe. The appeal is in the swords and sorcery it depicts, and the sense that we can experience the danger of that universe without actually being in danger.
You're too kind, keep talking. You've responded twice, and without the satanic flippancy I'm used to receiving from friends, family and online contacts. Even Preacher men are assholes when you remind them that satan is ultimately their father. It is all very hush-hush and I don't know why.
Some guy told me that satan is a mirror and a razor blade. I think he was a drug counselor with no psych training, so he had no idea what he was talking about. I of course took his statement wrong. "Satan is a mirror? WOW that makes a lot of sense, dude." When I worked the razor blade into the concept I totally lost him. I thought maybe he meant that I am a metaphorical razor blade and satan is a mirror - making life a pile of cocaine. At the time, that was pretty much the case already. We had a decent conversation but I lost him with the razor blade connection. I make mistakes like that sometimes.
Game of Thrones depicts an absolutely wonderful universe, to me. I don't read books like that anymore, so I may not fully understand it. I actually know a chick who thinks the show is an actual historical account. It is as real as we want it to be I suppose. I do wonder when the continents were shaped like that. When did blood magic dry up? I want to do some right now. Awesome. People "back then" had it easier in my opinion. I like simplicity and it seems there is plenty of that in their universe.
MST3K and Rifftrax sound like futuristic Philosophers. rappers or something. I looked it up and felt dumb because I should have known. You did get me to google something. I was surprised.
Art is life imitating satan or something like that. Not looking that up, but that is probably a quote already. It is pretty true. Something similar is said I'm sure. Life is satan masquerading as art?
I totally lost 15 substantial paragraphs of non stop rambling about this. I copied the word MST3K and I lost everything I had already copied. It was a disappointment. I should try again later. Good times.
Some guy told me that satan is a mirror and a razor blade. I think he was a drug counselor with no psych training, so he had no idea what he was talking about. I of course took his statement wrong. "Satan is a mirror? WOW that makes a lot of sense, dude." When I worked the razor blade into the concept I totally lost him. I thought maybe he meant that I am a metaphorical razor blade and satan is a mirror - making life a pile of cocaine. At the time, that was pretty much the case already. We had a decent conversation but I lost him with the razor blade connection. I make mistakes like that sometimes.
Game of Thrones depicts an absolutely wonderful universe, to me. I don't read books like that anymore, so I may not fully understand it. I actually know a chick who thinks the show is an actual historical account. It is as real as we want it to be I suppose. I do wonder when the continents were shaped like that. When did blood magic dry up? I want to do some right now. Awesome. People "back then" had it easier in my opinion. I like simplicity and it seems there is plenty of that in their universe.
MST3K and Rifftrax sound like futuristic Philosophers. rappers or something. I looked it up and felt dumb because I should have known. You did get me to google something. I was surprised.
Art is life imitating satan or something like that. Not looking that up, but that is probably a quote already. It is pretty true. Something similar is said I'm sure. Life is satan masquerading as art?
I totally lost 15 substantial paragraphs of non stop rambling about this. I copied the word MST3K and I lost everything I had already copied. It was a disappointment. I should try again later. Good times.
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I do at least try to treat everyone with respect, until I learn that they don't deserve it, but I think we are derailing this topic. Feel free to PM me if you want to continue with this subject, though you should be warned that I don't take the subject of Satan very seriously.
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Peep Show - 9/10
For some reason I never watched this show back when it was originally on TV but I've been binging my way through it online in the past couple of weeks. Up to season 8 now. Great stuff. Definitely an odd camera setup for a sitcom, but definitely works. The dialogue is hilarious and the Mark and especially Jez's thoughts from their point of view are hilarious. I'm surprised it works as well as it does for a show with such a couple of pathetic, fucked-up losers as the main characters. A couple of characters who really are unlikable if you think about it. But it works.
For some reason I never watched this show back when it was originally on TV but I've been binging my way through it online in the past couple of weeks. Up to season 8 now. Great stuff. Definitely an odd camera setup for a sitcom, but definitely works. The dialogue is hilarious and the Mark and especially Jez's thoughts from their point of view are hilarious. I'm surprised it works as well as it does for a show with such a couple of pathetic, fucked-up losers as the main characters. A couple of characters who really are unlikable if you think about it. But it works.