What will the upcoming Putin/Trump new world order look like?

[Harry Bosch]

We are certainly entering a time of great change in the US. It seems like our US political focus has been mostly on internal politics (abortion rights, environment, less regulations, intelligent design, death with dignity, wider health care) and etc. Not as much on foreign policy.

What are your guesses to how the world will look like in four years? My prediction:

1. Putin and Assad have won in Syria. I feel bad for the Sunni civilians. But their cause is Kaput.
2. Power will shift to Iran and Syria in the ME. Iran will be interesting as there are many in Trump's camp who are anti-Iran. But I doubt Trump will do much to stand up to Putin.
3. Significant more power to Israel. Two state solution is dead.
4. Eastern Europe and Nato are in trouble. I expect the rest of Ukraine to fall eventually. NATO will need to retrench and increase defense spending.
5. Obviously much less of chance of conflict with Russia. But what will Russia do with it's growing power?

What are some of your foreign policy predictions under Trump that you predict?

 

[whichphilosophy]

We are certainly entering a time of great change in the US. It seems like our US political focus has been mostly on internal politics (abortion rights, environment, less regulations, intelligent design, death with dignity, wider health care) and etc. Not as much on foreign policy.

What are your guesses to how the world will look like in four years? My prediction:

1. Putin and Assad have won in Syria. I feel bad for the Sunni civilians. But their cause is Kaput.
2. Power will shift to Iran and Syria in the ME. Iran will be interesting as there are many in Trump's camp who are anti-Iran. But I doubt Trump will do much to stand up to Putin.
3. Significant more power to Israel. Two state solution is dead.
4. Eastern Europe and Nato are in trouble. I expect the rest of Ukraine to fall eventually. NATO will need to retrench and increase defense spending.

What are some of your foreign policy predictions under Trump that you predict?

1. It’s bad for both. The country was relatively stable till the US funded regime change. It may do again if it gets a chance.
If the US sought proper cooperation with Russia then this issue would be resolved. I believe Russia will welcome this.
Russia is not an ideal country to deal with but it exists and Putin was democratically elected as I understand so we have to understand this.
Obama is doing nothing and Trump will not take over until next year. Meanwhile more people will be killed in Syria.

2. The 2 big nations should be seeking to cooperation with each other in an adult manner
3. Maybe for Israel and Palestine this is another disaster area in the Middle East
4. No one is actually fighting each other at the moment. The US should engage in dialogue with Russia and then Europe should poodle up to join in.

Let them discuss the problems in Ukraine and work together on Syria and global terrorism

 

[Elixir]

We are certainly entering a time of great change in the US. It seems like our US political focus has been mostly on internal politics (abortion rights, environment, less regulations, intelligent design, death with dignity, wider health care) and etc. Not as much on foreign policy.

What are your guesses to how the world will look like in four years? My prediction:

1. Putin and Assad have won in Syria. I feel bad for the Sunni civilians. But their cause is Kaput.
2. Power will shift to Iran and Syria in the ME. Iran will be interesting as there are many in Trump's camp who are anti-Iran. But I doubt Trump will do much to stand up to Putin.
3. Significant more power to Israel. Two state solution is dead.
4. Eastern Europe and Nato are in trouble. I expect the rest of Ukraine to fall eventually. NATO will need to retrench and increase defense spending.

What are some of your foreign policy predictions under Trump that you predict?

1. It’s bad for both. The country was relatively stable till the US funded regime change. It may do again if it gets a chance.
If the US sought proper cooperation with Russia then this issue would be resolved. I believe Russia will welcome this.
Russia is not an ideal country to deal with but it exists and Putin was democratically elected as I understand so we have to understand this.
Obama is doing nothing and Trump will not take over until next year. Meanwhile more people will be killed in Syria.

2. The 2 big nations should be seeking to cooperation with each other in an adult manner
3. Maybe for Israel and Palestine this is another disaster area in the Middle East
4. No one is actually fighting each other at the moment. The US should engage in dialogue with Russia and then Europe should poodle up to join in.

Let them discuss the problems in Ukraine and work together on Syria and global terrorism

2) Only a complete moron, or someone who was born yesterday could think that Russia means anything but harm to the US. We are (or were, prior to the orange puppet's election) the only thing between Putin and world primacy. The ONLY thing he wants to do is tear us down. It doesn't matter if doing so results in world peace or a nuclear holocaust - it's the end that matters to Putin.

 

[Syed]

my prediction is donald trump is a angry white man he may start civil war

HIS dream to make america white again

 

[Tom Sawyer]

my prediction is donald trump is a angry white man he may start civil war

HIS dream to make america white again

Well, with some luck, he'll succeed and the US will break up into smaller countries so yes it's less dangerous to everyone else if they do something like elect a Trump.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

 

[bilby]

 

[rousseau]

Mostly things stay the same, but the US declines in the wake of having a bunch of not bright people leading the way?

What's worrying is how the US will get out of this mess.

 

[Jayjay]

Frank Miller's Give Me Liberty becomes a reality.

Seriously though, New World Order is going to be pretty much the same as Old World Order. Syria and Iraq are already fucked, US leaving them to their own devices (i.e. to let Shia and Sunni duke it out, which the Shia will likely win) isn't goign to change much. Israel is still going to be supported as much as ever and I don't think Trump can get much closer to Iran. Ukraine and EU are going to be thrown under the bus for closer ties with Russia. TTP and TTIP are dead. Not sure what Trump thinks he can get out of China, but maybe a tougher attitude will get some concessions... the Chinese might see Trump as someone willing to put trade before human rights and democracy and they might get along just fine despite the hard talk at home.

 

[Keith&Co.]

my prediction is donald trump is a angry white man he may start civil war

You ALWAYS predict a white civil war.
Why should this time be any more credible?

 

[Syed]

my prediction is donald trump is a angry white man he may start civil war

You ALWAYS predict a white civil war.
Why should this time be any more credible?

right now white people are going through identity crisis, white people want their old days back when all were white and mighty and non white people bow down to white superiority

 

[Loren Pechtel]

3. Significant more power to Israel. Two state solution is dead.

Two-state was always an illusion.

5. Obviously much less of chance of conflict with Russia. But what will Russia do with it's growing power?

Here I disagree. His Flatulence will allow Putin a lot of excesses until there's enough protest from the right. Then he might draw a line in the sand that Putin will ignore.

 

[barbos]

2) Only a complete moron, or someone who was born yesterday could think that Russia means anything but harm to the US. We are (or were, prior to the orange puppet's election) the only thing between Putin and world primacy. The ONLY thing he wants to do is tear us down. It doesn't matter if doing so results in world peace or a nuclear holocaust - it's the end that matters to Putin.

LOL. I can't believe you really think that.

 

[Syed]

Two-state was always an illusion.

.

no, i think arabs will fight thousands years you are in delusion

 

[repoman]

You ALWAYS predict a white civil war.
Why should this time be any more credible?

right now white people are going through identity crisis, white people want their old days back when all were white and mighty and non white people bow down to white superiority

 

[Syed]

white people in declined in population and education, right-wing DREAM of only white european and only white north america is just a dream

 

[TV and credit cards]

1. Trump gives new meaning to homeland security by focusing more at home. Europe suffers for it. Contracts on US largess wherever he can, feeling everything should be for sale, failing to see the long term detriment of his selfishness.
2. Arab tribes are left to their own devices. Trump supports/encourages Israel completely in all that they do.
3. Trump puts the pedal to the metal on US energy independence. Saudi Arabians aren't the nice contented folk the are today, which feeds point two.
4. Putin continues to take advantage where opportunity presents itself but Russia continues to suffer the effects of low energy prices. As I stated in early summer, $50 oil isn't going anywhere unless...
5. China vs Trump's ego. I think people are wrongly identifying Trump's America first position to isolationism. Trump will be all to quick to trade court room battles for military ones. Exacerbating the problem will be his inability to separate geopolitics from economics. He's going to make an absolute hash out of relations with China taking us to the brink of military conflict. This may be his point of impeachment.

Everything beyond the first two years gets real scary as Trump is increasingly faced with his own limitations, lets his emotions cloud his thinking, and just wants to go back to being The Donald.

 

[DrZoidberg]

We are certainly entering a time of great change in the US. It seems like our US political focus has been mostly on internal politics (abortion rights, environment, less regulations, intelligent design, death with dignity, wider health care) and etc. Not as much on foreign policy.

What are your guesses to how the world will look like in four years? My prediction:

1. Putin and Assad have won in Syria. I feel bad for the Sunni civilians. But their cause is Kaput.

Your scenario requires nothing new to enter the scene. I think it may very well happen. Turkey is a factor in this. They've just got a new fascist dictator. He's going to keep consolidating power. That means more wars. That can go either way.

2. Power will shift to Iran and Syria in the ME. Iran will be interesting as there are many in Trump's camp who are anti-Iran. But I doubt Trump will do much to stand up to Putin.

I thought it already had?

3. Significant more power to Israel. Two state solution is dead.

Isn't it already?

4. Eastern Europe and Nato are in trouble. I expect the rest of Ukraine to fall eventually. NATO will need to retrench and increase defense spending.

This can go any way. Trump needs to prove his not Putin's bitch. If Putin makes a move he'll have to.

5. Obviously much less of chance of conflict with Russia. But what will Russia do with it's growing power?

Not so sure about that. A huge factor is if Russia stabilizes. If it does there's less of a reason for Putin to pick fights.

What are some of your foreign policy predictions under Trump that you predict?

Nobody can predict what Tourettes guy will do next.

So Turkey and China are not in your list. I think they should be. But who knows how that will play out.

- - - Updated - - -

You ALWAYS predict a white civil war.
Why should this time be any more credible?

right now white people are going through identity crisis, white people want their old days back when all were white and mighty and non white people bow down to white superiority

I think you nailed it Syed. Not many times I agree with you. I think this is the first actually. Don't get used to it.

 

[funinspace]

What are some of your foreign policy predictions under Trump that you predict?

My SWAG:
1. Russia & Iran have generally won in Syria. Assad limps along in a diminished state, with parts remaining chaotic. ISIS devolves but does not go away, continuing its attacks across Syria-Iraq and Turkey.
2. Israel: Nothing changes….
3. China-US relations don’t really change much, but lots of words are spewed pretending that something happened.
4. Saudi Arabia destabilizes with their failures in Syria-Iraq as well as the continued failures in Yemen, along with inane US relations. The Wahhabist theocrats seize control during the collapse of the House of Saud, and start rebuilding SA as a Sunni theocratic state (aka an Iran Redux). The US Fifth fleet is told to bugger off and out as relations with the west crumble. The Trump Administration works to pivot towards Iran as the more stable country, but it sputters much and is slow to gain any traction.

Not foreign policy, but: With the collapse of SA and the turmoil and reduced US ability to do much in the Persian Gulf, oil prices spike much like they did in 2007-2008, putting the icing on the recession cake. Say goodbye to '4 more years'....


PS And Allah comes down to earth and hangs himself to death in a pig pen.

 

[Jarhyn]

If the US breaks up, which it may in the next 20 years as a result of this, I foresee Minnesota joining Canada, new England all the way up to Maine either joining Canada or becoming their own republic, new York forming a city state, later to join whatever the rest of new England joined, and that red state desolation in the middle becoming the new United States. The west coast will have their own thing going, as will Utah and Texas. I foresee Texas being even MORE whackadoodle than the US but most of what is the central United States will probably break into a region not unlike the middle East since they control a large portion of the food and water supply, which will become the new oil complete with militant and terrorist groups as a persistent reality of the region... Albeit Christian ones.

My bet is that the antebellum south and the Midwest will be the two distinctive 'ideologically incompatible' regions, the Baptists and the Evangelicals, later to break up what was the new United States into another two distinct countries.