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What's your parting quote?

"In all of mankind's history, there has never been more damage done than by 'someone who thought they were doing the right thing'."

Rob

Sorry to interject, but I must protest. I don't think this is even remotely clever or quotable. It's sort of emotional and psychological blackmail aimed at anyone who prefers to act on convictions, or who acts with confidence. Am I, or is anyone, expected to believe that there are such noble people out there who actually think, "Hey, I feel like I'm doing the right thing, so I better not, and instead do what I think might be the wrong thing, because that might cause less damage." ?

I regard this one as being even more silly than Nietzsche's famous "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies." Like I said, and have always said, though actually I like Nietzsche for the most part, and have been influenced by his writings, that this is emotional and psychological blackmail, and it's really easy to say, while also being impossible to live up to, since I imagine Freddie must have had some amount of conviction in his numerous aphorisms and his plethora of books. Let's not forget, here was a man who said things like, "Why my books are so good," and lovely egoistic things such as that. He was at his best when he was confident, and when he wrote with conviction.
 
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"In all of mankind's history, there has never been more damage done than by 'someone who thought they were doing the right thing'."

Rob

Sorry to interject, but I must protest. I don't think this is even remotely clever or quotable. It's sort of emotional and psychological blackmail aimed at anyone who prefers to act on convictions, or who acts with confidence. Am I, or is anyone, expected to believe that there are such noble people out there who actually think, "Hey, I feel like I'm doing the right thing, so I better not, and instead do what I think might be the wrong thing, because that might cause less damage." ?

I regard this one as being even more silly than Nietzsche's famous "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies." Like I said, and have always said, though actually I like Nietzsche for the most part, and have been influenced by his writings, that this is emotional and psychological blackmail, and it's really easy to say, while also being impossible to live up to, since I imagine Freddie must have had some amount of conviction in his numerous aphorisms and his plethora of books. Let's not forget, here was a man who said things like, "Why my books are so good," and lovely egoistic things such as that. He was at his best when he was confident, and when he wrote with conviction.
I think you are misinterpreting that quote. It does not say that all people doing what they think is the right thing are doing damage. It points out that most damage in history was done by people who thought they were doing the right thing. The Roman destruction of Carthage and slaughter of its citizens was considered by Romans as a good thing for Rome. Pol Pot thought he was creating a utopia in Cambodia, killed millions. Popes had untold numbers slaughtered for the glory of Christianity. etc., etc. I can't think of any of the great slaughters and mass destructions in history that wasn't led by someone doing what they thought was the "right thing".
 
It is a bit long to be a parting quote but I always favored:

~ Hunter S. Thompson

“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”
 
"In all of mankind's history, there has never been more damage done than by 'someone who thought they were doing the right thing'."

Rob

Sorry to interject, but I must protest. I don't think this is even remotely clever or quotable. It's sort of emotional and psychological blackmail aimed at anyone who prefers to act on convictions, or who acts with confidence. Am I, or is anyone, expected to believe that there are such noble people out there who actually think, "Hey, I feel like I'm doing the right thing, so I better not, and instead do what I think might be the wrong thing, because that might cause less damage." ?

I regard this one as being even more silly than Nietzsche's famous "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies." Like I said, and have always said, though actually I like Nietzsche for the most part, and have been influenced by his writings, that this is emotional and psychological blackmail, and it's really easy to say, while also being impossible to live up to, since I imagine Freddie must have had some amount of conviction in his numerous aphorisms and his plethora of books. Let's not forget, here was a man who said things like, "Why my books are so good," and lovely egoistic things such as that. He was at his best when he was confident, and when he wrote with conviction.
I think you are misinterpreting that quote. It does not say that all people doing what they think is the right thing are doing damage. It points out that most damage in history was done by people who thought they were doing the right thing. The Roman destruction of Carthage and slaughter of its citizens was considered by Romans as a good thing for Rome. Pol Pot thought he was creating a utopia in Cambodia, killed millions. Popes had untold numbers slaughtered for the glory of Christianity. etc., etc. I can't think of any of the great slaughters and mass destructions in history that wasn't led by someone doing what they thought was the "right thing".

No, I don't believe I have misinterpreted it.

There are how many billions of people in the world? Now measure that against the millions and countless millions of crooks and criminals and evil people alive today as well as those who were tyrants and warlords and and dictators and just plain baddies from the past.

Do you suppose you can tally up the number of people who act on the belief that they are doing the right thing every single minute of every single day all over the planet? All the scientists, doctors, surgeons, fireman, policemen, teachers, professors, pharmacists, merchants, people in business, in the armed forces, etc.

Or, to make it even simpler, can you name even one thing you did over the last week that you consciously thought was wrong thing to do, not out of self-indulgence, which we are all guilty of and which is natural, but out of a sense that "Oh boy, people can cause a lot of damage when they act, thinking it's the right thing to do, so maybe I better do the wrong thing, and see how that works out instead?"

Of course not. More often than not these nicey-nice sounding platitudes are just things that are easy to say but on examination make no sense.

As an example. There was a young lady I know who was arguing against the 2nd amendment, and she said, thinking it was clever, "Kill me with a rock, not a Glock.", having forgotten that being killed by a rock is a far more brutal way to be murdered than with a clean shot to the temple. When I asked her if she thought public stonings were a more merciful means of execution than a simple firing line, she change her thinking.

Not that I like guns. Never owned one, and I hope never to have to own one.
 
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I can't think of any of the great slaughters and mass destructions in history that wasn't led by someone doing what they thought was the "right thing".
Yeah, and it doesn't even have to be a matter of 'slaughter.'

if someone's making choices based on shortest time, or cheapest costs, or least resistance, we can maybe appeal to their common sense and talk them into something slightly costlier, but better in the long run. Or spend time now, so we don't have to redo everything in a week. Or stay late today, take off early tomorrow.

But if the person making decisions feels that their cause is righteous, it can be very hard to talk them out of their chosen path, because facts, numbers, experts and evidence won't matter a damn.
That's how we got Prohibition.
 
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I can't think of any of the great slaughters and mass destructions in history that wasn't led by someone doing what they thought was the "right thing".
Yeah, and it doesn't even have to be a matter of 'slaughter.'

if someone's making choices based on shortest time, or cheapest costs, or least resistance, we can maybe appeal to their common sense and talk them into something slightly costlier, but better in the long run. Or spend time now, so we don't have to redo everything in a week. Or stay late today, take off early tomorrow.

But if the person making decisions feels that their cause is righteous, it can be very hard to talk them out of their chosen path, because facts, numbers, experts and evidence won't matter a damn.
That's how we got Prohibition.

Many people think prohibition was a good thing that worked. Pious fraud comes to mind.
 
It is a bit long to be a parting quote
I don't think that's a problem. In the context of the show, it appears to be an effort to give someone something to ponder while apart, possibly to give the traveler something to do on the journey.

If it's a coherent thought, but does not qualify as 'an opening monologue,' it should be acceptable.
Yours seems appropriate.
 
It is a bit long to be a parting quote
I don't think that's a problem. In the context of the show, it appears to be an effort to give someone something to ponder while apart, possibly to give the traveler something to do on the journey.

If it's a coherent thought, but does not qualify as 'an opening monologue,' it should be acceptable.
Yours seems appropriate.

I like Thompson's quote because it seems to me to be a clearer and more general expression (though more wordy) of how life should be lived than, "Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die". In older age, it is the opportunities and experiences that were missed rather than the mistakes we made that we most regret.

Hey, maybe that should be my closing line, "In older age, it is the opportunities and experiences that were missed rather than the mistakes we made that we most regret." But then I gotta give it to Thompson - his is more gonzo and "in your face".
 
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This thread is sorely lacking in Douglas Adams quotes.

"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by."
 
“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away, and think this to be normal, is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”
― Douglas Adams
 
“He was more to be envied than pitied, for his sleep was not a lull or an interval but sleep itself which is the deep and hence sleeping ever deepening, deeper and deeper in sleep sleeping, the sleep of the deep in deepest sleep, at the nethermost depth full slept, the deepest and sleepest sleep of sleep's sweet sleep. He was asleep. He is asleep. He will be asleep. Sleep. Sleep. Father, sleep, I beg you, for we who are awake are boiling in horror . . .”

— Henry Miller, Tropic of Capricorn
 
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