White House officially Accuses Fauci Of COVID Crimes

[Toni]

American way means we can sometimes (rarely) spot these idiots and kick replace them out of office with another idiot.

fixed for you.
And idiots you elect during elections are figureheads anyway, have no real power.

Yes, prior to 3 months ago, the US system of government is vastly different than Russia’s dictatorship. Up until then, we believed in a balance of power and the rule of law.

Russia must be so proud of its systemic disinformation program and of the demented little puppet it had installed. Twice. And who remains unchecked thanks to credible threats to the families ( and pocketbooks) of sufficient Republicans to maintain unchecked power

 

[Toni]

Or the nonsense put forth by an individual who only has any public influence because some of his family members were famous politicians and who himself has zero medical training

US is run by ignorant and sometimes evil idiots on all levels of power. It's american way.

American way means we can sometimes spot these idiots and kick them out of office. Too bad for idiot Russians who love suffering under violent Russian dictators like Putin. They are stuck with him stealing their wealth and slaughtering their children in perpetuity. It's the Russian way.

Beats the hell out of trying to think for yourself or having the courage to try. Fir Russians, at least.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Lab Leak: The True Origins of Covid-19

Covid 19 Origins - Lab Leak THE ORIGIN “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the

www.whitehouse.gov

I clicked on your link. I see this:



Does anyone on your team imagine this imagery is a good job?

It reminds me of when I go to my bank's ATM and there's an ad at the end after taking out money something like "with us, you get zero liability and peace of mind."

 

[barbos]

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

No, I am not saying any of that. And Russia has nothing to do with US internal division and general BS.

 

[barbos]

Yes, prior to 3 months ago, the US system of government is vastly different than Russia’s dictatorship. Up until then, we believed in a balance of power and the rule of law.

You have not had any balance of power in the last 40 years.

 

[RVonse]

Trump did a lot of shit during COVID pandemic. But that fact is no excuse to let investigation into origin of the pandemics to slide. As for the shit he did, I personally doubt that any other president would have done much better in any real metrics. The whole world has collectively failed to handle it and it simply had ran its course.
And yes, I think it was a lab leak.

Many countries handled it much better than USA under Trump, and if USA had a different president it would have been one of these countries, saving many more lives.

it did not matter in the end, and people in US would not have listened to Trump even if he did everything rightI

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

I doubt that but who knows how many agents you have in the US.

As for COVID itself and the death and destruction it caused?

It matters very much to the people whose loved ones died. It matters very much for those who are still struggling with the long term effects of having had COVID. And of course those who love and care for them.

Maybe you don’t have love in Russia. Maybe Putin destroyed that for you so now you have only him. Just Putin.

Russian fatalism just looks like defeat and depression to those not so infected or indoctrinated. With a touch of cowardice.

I probably don't understand what you are saying Toni, perhaps you can clarify. Are you saying Putin invented COVID and spread it to the world? If so, that is even different than all of the conspiracies I have so far read. As a US citizen (and a citizen of the world) I'm much more worried about who is actually bio inventing and spreading pandemics than I am who is spreading propaganda.

 

[Toni]

Yes, prior to 3 months ago, the US system of government is vastly different than Russia’s dictatorship. Up until then, we believed in a balance of power and the rule of law.

You have not had any balance of power in the last 40 years.

You are vastly ill informed.

 

[KCFlyer]

Well holding a trial on an 84 year old man is a great way to spend money that we dont' have. I guess the upside is that whatever sentence he gets, there isn't much difference between the minimum sentence and life. Holding a tail for an 84 year old man who has a pardon is even better.

 

[Toni]

Trump did a lot of shit during COVID pandemic. But that fact is no excuse to let investigation into origin of the pandemics to slide. As for the shit he did, I personally doubt that any other president would have done much better in any real metrics. The whole world has collectively failed to handle it and it simply had ran its course.
And yes, I think it was a lab leak.

Many countries handled it much better than USA under Trump, and if USA had a different president it would have been one of these countries, saving many more lives.

it did not matter in the end, and people in US would not have listened to Trump even if he did everything rightI

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

I doubt that but who knows how many agents you have in the US.

As for COVID itself and the death and destruction it caused?

It matters very much to the people whose loved ones died. It matters very much for those who are still struggling with the long term effects of having had COVID. And of course those who love and care for them.

Maybe you don’t have love in Russia. Maybe Putin destroyed that for you so now you have only him. Just Putin.

Russian fatalism just looks like defeat and depression to those not so infected or indoctrinated. With a touch of cowardice.

I probably don't understand what you are saying Toni, perhaps you can clarify. Are you saying Putin invented COVID and spread it to the world? If so, that is even different than all of the conspiracies I have so far read. As a US citizen (and a citizen of the world) I'm much more worried about who is actually bio inventing and spreading pandemics than I am who is spreading propaganda.

Not at all. I am saying that cultivating an ethos of distrust in public education along with the corresponding lack of investment in the same was deliberate as a step to leaping from healthy skepticism in believing what the powers that be put forth and thereby undermining the public’s ability to evaluate policy, political positions and basic science has culminated in a general public that now distrusts our very foundations and institutions and is hugely ignorant of actual US and world history and of the rights laid out in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and that this is a deliberate strategy in part put forth or at the very least encouraged by Russia and more recently by Putin. It relies on ignorance of history, civics, and science and an over-reliance on black/white thinking with an absolute rejection of nuance or understanding.

This is how Trump came to power. This is how many in the US came to distrust science and US institutions and instead put their faith in someone who is well known to be a racist and a conman and a cheat who bankrupted businesses multiple times and who has a reputation for stiffing contractors but who rose to popularity in part because he gave voice to fears and petty bigotry and directed dissatisfaction with standards of living for the masses towards people of marginalized communities, particularly but not limited to immigrants, persons of color and non-straight , non-cis people instead of examining the growing economic divide between the wealthy and the average person until we have a handful of uber-wealthy individuals and a struggling working class who find it easier to blame immigrants and persons of color than to demand better compensation and a better social safety net, including universal excellent and accessible health care, universal access to excellent education, fair and decent housing and clean air, safe food and water for all from those who control the purse.

The enemy is not non white people or LGBTQ people or trans people or women holding positions of power, influence and authority but a system that allows wealthy individuals and corporations to avoid paying their fair share in taxes or adequate compensation for employees. We have allowed money to influence elections to an obscene degree. Whether we will acknowledge it or not, we have simultaneously provided the means for hostile foreign powers to use money to influence our elections. I have first hand knowledge of this as far back as the 1980 presidential election when foreign powers illegally made campaign contributions to candidates they believed would be more friendly to their needs rather than the needs of the electorate.

 

[Toni]

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

No, I am not saying any of that. And Russia has nothing to do with US internal division and general BS.

Sure it does. Oh, it’s our fault for falling for it but we didn’t just turn stupid in favor of Russia all by our lonesome.

 

[barbos]

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

No, I am not saying any of that. And Russia has nothing to do with US internal division and general BS.

Sure it does. Oh, it’s our fault for falling for it but we didn’t just turn stupid in favor of Russia all by our lonesome.

No it does not, it's all you and noone else.

 

[barbos]

Yes, prior to 3 months ago, the US system of government is vastly different than Russia’s dictatorship. Up until then, we believed in a balance of power and the rule of law.

You have not had any balance of power in the last 40 years.

You are vastly ill informed.

You are projecting. and you are remarkably clueless.

 

[barbos]

This is how Trump came to power. This is how many in the US came to distrust science and US institutions

Right, Putin is responsible for american idiotism. The guy is that powerful.

 

[zorq]

This is how Trump came to power. This is how many in the US came to distrust science and US institutions

Right, Putin is responsible for american idiotism. The guy is that powerful.

Your sarcasm is palpable. I can't wait to tell the Russian agents that you think Putin is a pathetic weakling incapable of influencing anything.

It's not a dichotomy dude. Everyone knows that Russia has an army of paid internet trolls who's entire purpose is to influence the idiots in other countries to make choices that are more favorable to Russia and usually against their own self interests. If you think THEY are are pointless and impotent then YOU and your efforts here are pointless and you might as well give up.

Putin has power. Putin's trolls have power. Even you have power. Sometimes that limited power is all that it takes to push public opinion past the tipping point.

 

[ZiprHead]

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

No, I am not saying any of that. And Russia has nothing to do with US internal division and general BS.

 

[barbos]

It's not a dichotomy dude. Everyone knows that Russia has an army of paid internet trolls who's entire purpose is to influence the idiots in other countries to make choices that are more favorable to Russia and usually against their own self interests.

No, not everyone believes that BS.
On the other hand we know about USAID.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Trump did a lot of shit during COVID pandemic. But that fact is no excuse to let investigation into origin of the pandemics to slide. As for the shit he did, I personally doubt that any other president would have done much better in any real metrics. The whole world has collectively failed to handle it and it simply had ran its course.
And yes, I think it was a lab leak.

Many countries handled it much better than USA under Trump, and if USA had a different president it would have been one of these countries, saving many more lives.

it did not matter in the end, and people in US would not have listened to Trump even if he did everything rightI

What you are saying then is that if Trump had not been elected, Russia’s long standing program to inflame American belief in and confidence in our governmental institutions would have still been sufficiently effective.

I doubt that but who knows how many agents you have in the US.

As for COVID itself and the death and destruction it caused?

It matters very much to the people whose loved ones died. It matters very much for those who are still struggling with the long term effects of having had COVID. And of course those who love and care for them.

Maybe you don’t have love in Russia. Maybe Putin destroyed that for you so now you have only him. Just Putin.

Russian fatalism just looks like defeat and depression to those not so infected or indoctrinated. With a touch of cowardice.

I probably don't understand what you are saying Toni, perhaps you can clarify. Are you saying Putin invented COVID and spread it to the world? If so, that is even different than all of the conspiracies I have so far read. As a US citizen (and a citizen of the world) I'm much more worried about who is actually bio inventing and spreading pandemics than I am who is spreading propaganda.

Barbos claimed that Covid was invented in a lab. I sarcastically said that he was right and it was a Russian lab. Even Barbos recognized that I was being "funny" and ignored that. No one, including Toni, thinks Russia invented Covid. The general informed consensus is that it originated from nature, not a lab. So all that leaves is the propaganda and bad influence coming from Russia.
As I said the pandemic was natural in origin, and if you are concerned about who spread it, well Trump provided great assistance to that by his anti-mask rhetoric, shutting down disease control measures, and other things as already mentioned by someone else. So, if you are truly worried about that, then your rage should be directed at Trump and his enablers.

 

[barbos]

The general un-informed consensus is that it originated from nature, not a lab

Fixed for you.

 

[barbos]

As I said the pandemic was natural in origin, and if you are concerned about who spread it,

As I said, people tried to find evidence of natural origin and failed.

 

[zorq]

Rvonse is hopeless. If he smells the whiff of a new conspiracy theory his interest is fully piqued. But ask him to study the science that suggests that there is no conspiracy and he gives a hard pass.

Authoritarian sycophants are driven by fear and anger. If it doesn't make them afraid or angry they lose interest. The truth? irrelevant. How does it make them feel?

Just look at the rise of any authortarian dictator throughout history. It's all trumped up emotional rhetoric about dangerous "others." Dictators never give speeches about the benefits of good hygiene and compassion for others. It's always "Watch out for those ______! Support me and I'll get rid of them."

Rvonse and Barbos (both prone to authoritarian sycophancy) can't easily accept a natural explanation for Covid because it doesn't fit their perpetual mental narrative of dangerous outsiders plotting to exploit or harm them. Here's a hint though: The people working hardest to exploit and abuse authoritarian sycophants are the dictators and wannabe dictators who appeal to their emotions.