Who should I vote for?

[Elixir]

Tucker and Sean and Limbaugh and Hannity, they will scream to high heavens for four long years regardless. It's their job.

Yup. Fuck 'em. The only outcome that wouldn't stink to high heaven IMHO would be for the entire Republican "leadership" to be brought up on criminal charges of sedition, treason or whatever by the next administration, and examples made of Trump, Pence, Barr, Graham, McConnell, Perry and a couple dozen other of their co-conspirators.

The GOP needs to be made into the sort of pariah that it truly deserves to be. Otherwise, regardless of what happens this cycle, it will rise again in a new wave of lies, and this country will continue its slide into fascism.

 

[Jarhyn]

Tucker and Sean and Limbaugh and Hannity, they will scream to high heavens for four long years regardless. It's their job.

Yup. Fuck 'em. The only outcome that wouldn't stink to high heaven IMHO would be for the entire Republican "leadership" to be brought up on criminal charges of sedition, treason or whatever by the next administration, and examples made of Trump, Pence, Barr, Graham, McConnell, Perry and a couple dozen other of their co-conspirators.

The GOP needs to be made into the sort of pariah that it truly deserves to be. Otherwise, regardless of what happens this cycle, it will rise again in a new wave of lies, and this country will continue its slide into fascism.

See, this all reminds me of an abusive relationship on a societal scale. One side says "let's make this work" and the other side just abuses them nonstop. I've personally been trying to help my husband's best friend get away from their abusive boyfriend for a couple years now. They know it's an abusive relationship, that the abuser gives no ground and takes all ground given, but they just can't stop trying to make things work.

In reality, abusive relationships need to be ended. We need to divorce from the Republicans, kick them out of our homes, and stop trying to pretend that they want anything but to take. We need to stop giving them second chances and put them out on their ears.

 

[Politesse]

Well, that's why its sort of important to nominate someone more interesting to watch than a wheat field. The Republicans nominated a reality tv star, and we sent a lawyer. How'd that work out? Excited people vote.

No. This is why we need an effective Electoral College. It's not about oneupmanship pandering to the crowd. Are our choices to be between an individual who panders to the worst of our nature an an individual who promises everything we ever wanted? They are two sides of the same coin. Both terribly dividing the nation, something I've not heard a Sanders supporter address.

Or we could try boring unity.

And you think the Bernie crowd are idealists? You need to deal with electorate you have, not the one you wish you had. Or your party will be left in the dust by more skilled rhetoricians time and time again, despite having a considerable numerical majority of affiliated voters in theory.

 

[PyramidHead]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Well, that's why its sort of important to nominate someone more interesting to watch than a wheat field. The Republicans nominated a reality tv star, and we sent a lawyer. How'd that work out? Excited people vote.

No. This is why we need an effective Electoral College. It's not about oneupmanship pandering to the crowd. Are our choices to be between an individual who panders to the worst of our nature an an individual who promises everything we ever wanted? They are two sides of the same coin. Both terribly dividing the nation, something I've not heard a Sanders supporter address.

Or we could try boring unity.

And you think the Bernie crowd are idealists? You need to deal with electorate you have, not the one you wish you had. Or your party will be left in the dust by more skilled rhetoricians time and time again, despite having a considerable numerical majority of affiliated voters in theory.

Rhetoricians or entertainers? If you want to persuade me, say something of substance. Let both parties be as interesting (entertaining) as a wheat field. It suits me just fine. Let FOX News, MSNBC and all the online publications that rely on political entertainment, go out of business. That would suit me just fine too. Let all those who look to politics as if it were little more than a sporting event where winning is the only thing that matters, get bored and go back to doing whatever it was they did before politics became entertainment. Then perhaps only people willing to make the effort to be informed will elect our public officials. Let's make politics boring again. And maybe then we'll never see another Donald Trump in the Oval Office.

 

[Jarhyn]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Not be Trump. But he's old, white, misogynistic, handsy, senile, and in bed with corporate interests. He wants to work with the Republicans (read: give them concessions but get nothing back)... So he will be 2/3rds trump

 

[Xoxarle1]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Not be Trump. But he's old, white, misogynistic, handsy, senile, and in bed with corporate interests. He wants to work with the Republicans (read: give them concessions but get nothing back)... So he will be 2/3rds trump

Also good at getting well paid gigs for family members.

Let's hope that now he is a shoo-in, he figures out a platform to run on, and when he does, he can appeal to all the undecideds with no recollection of him being a key part of the administration that ignored or did next to nothing about student loan debt, climate change, gross wealth inequality, banking fraudsters, the opioid crisis, job outsourcing, the minimum wage, those uninsured and underinsured, insane drug prices, insane military budget, corporate dark money, and kept the military occupation of Afghanistan going for no good reason at all.

 

[SLD]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Let’s face it, campaigns are popularity contests. Biden is far more popular than her, especially amongst African Americans. HRC lost because African American women didn’t come out and vote in key battleground states. I think Biden will be more effective there. But I’m not sure it will be enough. Trump has many advantages, especially the economy.

One of the reasons I almost went for Bernie is that I think he could’ve inspired a whole generation to get involved politically. If Trump's unbeatable (and he’s not), then I like the idea of going big with grand new ideas to excite people. Then when the economy tanks. Which I think it must sometime in the next three years, the Republicans will take the blame. Big time. I’d love to see them utterly wiped out as a party. The real competition should be between the centrist Democrats and the Democratic Socialists of Bernie and AOC.

SLD

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Let’s face it, campaigns are popularity contests. Biden is far more popular than her, especially amongst African Americans. HRC lost because African American women didn’t come out and vote in key battleground states. I think Biden will be more effective there. But I’m not sure it will be enough. Trump has many advantages, especially the economy.

One of the reasons I almost went for Bernie is that I think he could’ve inspired a whole generation to get involved politically. If Trump's unbeatable (and he’s not), then I like the idea of going big with grand new ideas to excite people. Then when the economy tanks. Which I think it must sometime in the next three years, the Republicans will take the blame. Big time. I’d love to see them utterly wiped out as a party. The real competition should be between the centrist Democrats and the Democratic Socialists of Bernie and AOC.

SLD

Maybe a Biden / Bernie ticket is a sure winner.

 

[Elixir]

For anyone who voted for Joe Biden today: what do you believe he will be able to do, advocate, or say that would be more effective for more people than Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Let’s face it, campaigns are popularity contests. Biden is far more popular than her, especially amongst African Americans. HRC lost because African American women didn’t come out and vote in key battleground states. I think Biden will be more effective there. But I’m not sure it will be enough. Trump has many advantages, especially the economy.

One of the reasons I almost went for Bernie is that I think he could’ve inspired a whole generation to get involved politically. If Trump's unbeatable (and he’s not), then I like the idea of going big with grand new ideas to excite people. Then when the economy tanks. Which I think it must sometime in the next three years, the Republicans will take the blame. Big time. I’d love to see them utterly wiped out as a party. The real competition should be between the centrist Democrats and the Democratic Socialists of Bernie and AOC.

SLD

Maybe a Biden / Bernie ticket is a sure winner.

That ticket needs an extra VP in case they both croak from old age (or COVID-19) before inauguration day.