Why don't people report rape or sexual abuse/assault?

[Derec]

You're right in that murder is a pretty strong crime to commit, but so is rape or at least it can be. His 13 rape victims and their families will also have to live with this, like a murder victim's family has to live with the effects of the murder. What do you imagine the victims and their families are going to go through here?

Well at least they get to go through this. The victims of murder do not have that luxury.

 

[thebeave]

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that you're ambivalent about that OKC cop who was convicted of raping 13 women.

I already said that the evidence is strong and that he deserved to be convicted, but that I also think life in prison is way too harsh given all the murderers who get significantly less.

Its not too harsh. If you figure him getting, say 10 years in prison for just one rape, that would be 130 years total for the 13 rapes. Unless you think the sentences should be served consecutively, but I don't see any reason why that should be the case.

 

[Derec]

Its not too harsh. If you figure him getting, say 10 years in prison for just one rape, that would be 130 years total for the 13 rapes. Unless you think the sentences should be served consecutively, but I don't see any reason why that should be the case.

You mean concurrently, right? Concurrent sentences are often given.
And I do think it's too harsh to lock somebody up for the rest of their life when they didn't kill anybody.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Its not too harsh. If you figure him getting, say 10 years in prison for just one rape, that would be 130 years total for the 13 rapes. Unless you think the sentences should be served consecutively, but I don't see any reason why that should be the case.

You mean concurrently, right? Concurrent sentences are often given.
And I do think it's too harsh to lock somebody up for the rest of their life when they didn't kill anybody.

So if he raped 1000 women, it'd be okay with you if he got out in 20 years?

Wait, maybe this should be discussed in the other thread...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You're right in that murder is a pretty strong crime to commit, but so is rape or at least it can be. His 13 rape victims and their families will also have to live with this, like a murder victim's family has to live with the effects of the murder. What do you imagine the victims and their families are going to go through here?

Well at least they get to go through this.

And "this" would be what? Can you clarify how "this" answers "what do you imagine the victims and their families are going to go through here?"

The victims of murder do not have that luxury.

The families of the murdered and the families of the raped all have to go through life's suffering as a result.

 

[thebeave]

Its not too harsh. If you figure him getting, say 10 years in prison for just one rape, that would be 130 years total for the 13 rapes. Unless you think the sentences should be served consecutively, but I don't see any reason why that should be the case.

You mean concurrently, right? Concurrent sentences are often given.
And I do think it's too harsh to lock somebody up for the rest of their life when they didn't kill anybody.

My bad... I meant concurrently. The guy is a serious psycho. Its reasonable to think he would do it again if he were let out in say, 25 years.

Bernie Madoff got 150 years sentence and he didn't kill anyone. But he harmed quite a few people, hence the long sentence is justified.

 

[RavenSky]

So, exactly as I suspected, Lady Gaga is opening up about her personal experience in order to help other women. And more than just talking about it, she is using her wealth and celebrity to fund a nonprofit organization for victims of sexual assault.

She is participating in that propaganda piece "Hunting Ground" which is basically yet another instance of rape hysteria. It involves overinflating the problem of campus rape (including redefining "rape" to include any regretted and/or drunken hookup) and believing any accuser, no matter how untrustworthy, such as the Mattress Girl.

SHE WAS RAPED AT 19 YEARS OLD AND NOW SHE IS TRYING TO HELP OTHER VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, BUT ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IS TO CALL HER A LIAR AND RIDICULE HER.

Your attitude is pathetic

 

[RavenSky]

Derec, is there anything that would make you believe a rape accusation?

Evidence.

Doubtful.

I think it is far more likely that your own sister could be getting raped right in front of you, but you will still question whether she was really raped or one of those lying bitches out to do a good man wrong.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Written to Derec:

SHE WAS RAPED AT 19 YEARS OLD AND NOW SHE IS TRYING TO HELP OTHER VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, BUT ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IS TO CALL HER A LIAR AND RIDICULE HER.

I gotta second this question. Derec, can you tell us what else you are capable of other than victim shaming? Could you explain to us your empathy and how it works in regard to Lady Gaga?

For example, if hypothetically you were to put yourself in her shoes, what do you imagine she went through after the rape? What do you imagine her family went through? Her friends? Her sex partners?

Do you think it is possible that some of her current behaviors are related to her being victimized?

 

[Derec]

SHE WAS RAPED AT 19 YEARS OLD

You don't know that.

AND NOW SHE IS TRYING TO HELP OTHER VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT,

No, she is advocating for the kind of witch hunt where every allegation is assumed to be true because "women don't lie about rape".

BUT ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IS TO CALL HER A LIAR AND RIDICULE HER.

I did not call her a liar. I explicitly said that I do not know if her allegations are true (she did not offer any evidence for sure) but that the timing is suspect. Even if the allegations are true, her decision to publicize it now could be a publicity stunt.

Your attitude is pathetic

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

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Bernie Madoff got 150 years sentence and he didn't kill anyone. But he harmed quite a few people, hence the long sentence is justified.

I thought that was way too long as well.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You don't know that.

AND NOW SHE IS TRYING TO HELP OTHER VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT,

No, she is advocating for the kind of witch hunt where every allegation is assumed to be true because "women don't lie about rape".

BUT ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IS TO CALL HER A LIAR AND RIDICULE HER.

I did not call her a liar. I explicitly said that I do not know if her allegations are true (she did not offer any evidence for sure) but that the timing is suspect. Even if the allegations are true, her decision to publicize it now could be a publicity stunt.

Your attitude is pathetic

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Derec, let's suppose hypothetically that Lady Gaga is not a lying whore who is lying about being raped. Then the following questions are still applicable.

Can you tell us what else you are capable of other than victim shaming? Could you explain to us your empathy and how it works in regard to Lady Gaga (if she is telling the truth)?

For example, if hypothetically you were to put yourself in her shoes, what do you imagine she went through after the rape? What do you imagine her family went through? Her friends? Her sex partners?

Do you think it is possible that some of her current behaviors are related to her being victimized (if it's true)?

 

[Derec]

Derec, let's suppose hypothetically that Lady Gaga is not a lying whore who is lying about being raped. Then the following questions are still applicable.

Hypothetically either way, since we have no way of knowing.

Can you tell us what else you are capable of other than victim shaming? Could you explain to us your empathy and how it works in regard to Lady Gaga (if she is telling the truth)?

I do not know whether she is or not. If she is, she should have went to the police when it happened. Flinging vague accusations now does nobody any good, except maybe her career.

For example, if hypothetically you were to put yourself in her shoes,

I'd rather not.

what do you imagine she went through after the rape? What do you imagine her family went through? Her friends? Her sex partners?

I would imagine it would have to be horrible for all of them. But being falsely accused is horrible as well. Existence of real rapes does not mean we should believe every allegation of rape uncritically.

Do you think it is possible that some of her current behaviors are related to her being victimized (if it's true)?

If you mean her on-stage persona and antics like "meat dress" and ugly shoes I have no idea whether that would have had any connection.
But I would expect if she was really raped she would exhibit a lack of skepticism in regard to other young women who allege rape, which brings us to her participation to the witch hunt of the "Hunting Ground".

 

[RavenSky]

Just like clockwork, Derec brings it around to the poor poor poor hypothetical man.

Real men don't like predators raping women, and real men do not spend their every waking breath trying to assert that rape never happens.

 

[Derec]

Just like clockwork, Derec brings it around to the poor poor poor hypothetical man.

Not to mention the poor poor snakes who had to die for those ugly things.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Hypothetically either way, since we have no way of knowing.

Can you tell us what else you are capable of other than victim shaming? Could you explain to us your empathy and how it works in regard to Lady Gaga (if she is telling the truth)?

I do not know whether she is or not. If she is, she should have went to the police when it happened. Flinging vague accusations now does nobody any good, except maybe her career.

For example, if hypothetically you were to put yourself in her shoes,

I'd rather not.

what do you imagine she went through after the rape? What do you imagine her family went through? Her friends? Her sex partners?

I would imagine it would have to be horrible for all of them. But being falsely accused is horrible as well. Existence of real rapes does not mean we should believe every allegation of rape uncritically.

Do you think it is possible that some of her current behaviors are related to her being victimized (if it's true)?

If you mean her on-stage persona and antics like "meat dress" and ugly shoes I have no idea whether that would have had any connection.
But I would expect if she was really raped she would exhibit a lack of skepticism in regard to other young women who allege rape, which brings us to her participation to the witch hunt of the "Hunting Ground".

Your responses each go off-topic to victim blaming/shaming and you cannot stay on track within the hypothetical, not to mention you could not go into detail on the effects of rape. All we got was "it's horrible" and the rest was a bunch of bs.

 

[Derec]

All we got was "it's horrible"

What details did you expect?
Sorry, I am not privy to details of rapes, hypothetical or otherwise.

and the rest was a bunch of bs.

I disagree.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Some people in this thread have been sexually abused and frankly, your commentary Derec is traumatizing to them. You appear to have no empathy and I have seriously wasted a night posting to you. I could be doing something more productive, way more productive than dealing with someone who not only doesn't want to change, but actually relishes in insulting victims. So, I have made a decision to put you on ignore and also go watch SNL.

 

[Derec]

Some people in this thread have been sexually abused and frankly, your commentary Derec is traumatizing to them.

Do you want me to put a trigger warning next time?

You appear to have no empathy and I have seriously wasted a night posting to you. I could be doing something more productive, way more productive than dealing with someone who not only doesn't want to change, but actually relishes in insulting victims. So, I have made a decision to put you on ignore and also go watch SNL.

Have fun. But I have no desire to "insult victims" but I will not refrain from discussing controversial topics either.

 

[RavenSky]

You don't "discuss" anything, Derec. You denigrate and ridicule the victims, imply that all rape victims are liars, and go out of your way to pretend rape doesn't exist.

 

[Derec]

You don't "discuss" anything, Derec. You denigrate and ridicule the victims, imply that all rape victims are liars, and go out of your way to pretend rape doesn't exist.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.
For example, I never said that Lady Gaga was a liar, just that she didn't offer any evidence and that you have no way of knowing that she was really raped. Despite that obvious fact, you stated her claim as fact, in all caps to boot.