thebeave
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Well, given how long it takes USPS to deliver a letter these days, how would you know?If all government vehicles were electric an EMP weapon or a solar flare could stop them all instantly.
Well, given how long it takes USPS to deliver a letter these days, how would you know?If all government vehicles were electric an EMP weapon or a solar flare could stop them all instantly.
Yeah, Louis DeJoy probably did us all a favor getting us used to post apocalyptic delivery times.Well, given how long it takes USPS to deliver a letter these days, how would you know?If all government vehicles were electric an EMP weapon or a solar flare could stop them all instantly.
A good solution for the ultra-rural and ultra cold routes.Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
How so?A good solution for the ultra-rural and ultra cold routes.Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
I agree that 100% is not needed or proposed, though I admit my thread title did say, “why not replace the fleet,”. So let’s dig into that…Did anyone suggest 100% EV vehicles?Converting to 100% EV vehicles is simply not practical, however desirable it might be from a fossil fuel perspective.
That it runs on the gas side when the battery side is depleted.
How so?A good solution for the ultra-rural and ultra cold routes.Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
The plan would certainly be to have a charging station at the postal facility where they are parked every night.USPS also delivers to small towns and rural areas, including some very rural areas where charging stations are currently non-existent or sufficiently far apart to make it problematic to have a totally EV vehicle
All currect EV ranges are oer 100 miles, most are over 200 miles.Mail routes can be well over 100 miles/day with the longest route I could find being something over 182 miles.
USPS also delivers to small towns and rural areas, including some very rural areas where charging stations are currently non-existent or sufficiently far apart to make it problematic to have a totally EV vehicle.
Also, as was pointed out upthread, there are hybrids. Add a little bigger gas tank and you've got enormously extended range.Full disclosure: I am on a Rural Route. My letter carrier most likely has one of those 100+ mile routes - they certainly drive like they are being chased by the Demons of Time and sometimes my mail doesn’t arrive until 7pm. There are no gas stations on the route, let alone charging stations (for most of it there is no pavement, either). We would figure out how to make EV work.
I believe that all Americans are entitled to government services.USPS also delivers to small towns and rural areas, including some very rural areas where charging stations are currently non-existent or sufficiently far apart to make it problematic to have a totally EV vehicle.
Do you consider people who live such lifestyles entitled to the same service available to people who live more efficient, greener, lifestyles? Urbanites have much smaller carbon footprints than rural folks.
Tom
Several of these studies have compared the absolute carbon footprints between urban, suburban and rural areas (Minx et al 2013, Ottelin et al 2015, Maraseni et al 2016, Zhang et al 2016, Wiedenhofer et al 2018). The majority of these studies have found the highest carbon footprints in the most urbanised areas
Certainly. Those people who "live such lifestyles" are necessary for urbanites to be able to live their lifestyles. Without them, the urbanites would have nothing to eat... delivered to them along those interstate highways.USPS also delivers to small towns and rural areas, including some very rural areas where charging stations are currently non-existent or sufficiently far apart to make it problematic to have a totally EV vehicle.
Do you consider people who live such lifestyles entitled to the same service available to people who live more efficient, greener, lifestyles? Urbanites have much smaller carbon footprints than rural folks.
Tom
Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
I did not know that. I always thought the urbanites were the most efficient.I believe that all Americans are entitled to government services.USPS also delivers to small towns and rural areas, including some very rural areas where charging stations are currently non-existent or sufficiently far apart to make it problematic to have a totally EV vehicle.
Do you consider people who live such lifestyles entitled to the same service available to people who live more efficient, greener, lifestyles? Urbanites have much smaller carbon footprints than rural folks.
Tom
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Several of these studies have compared the absolute carbon footprints between urban, suburban and rural areas (Minx et al 2013, Ottelin et al 2015, Maraseni et al 2016, Zhang et al 2016, Wiedenhofer et al 2018). The majority of these studies have found the highest carbon footprints in the most urbanised areas
Why do you think they are impractical “for most postal use”?Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
Yeah, while I agree EVs aren't practical for most postal use that doesn't apply to hybrids. All that start-stop would be great for regenerative braking.
They are.I did not know that. I always thought the urbanites were the most efficient.
I get what you mean. We currently have a hybrid that does not use a plug in—which was essential for us to even consider a hybrid. Too few plug in stations in our area and it would have required a big outlay of cash to install a plug in our garage.That it runs on the gas side when the battery side is depleted.
How so?A good solution for the ultra-rural and ultra cold routes.Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
EVs use regenerative braking.Why is it that plug-in hybrids are always ignored, as if that technology does not exist, in the gas vs. EV debates?
Yeah, while I agree EVs aren't practical for most postal use that doesn't apply to hybrids. All that start-stop would be great for regenerative braking.
Gotta love those links!They are.I did not know that. I always thought the urbanites were the most efficient.
Far more efficient to live in a dense urban place, with apartments and public transportation and walkable lives.
Tom