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Worst Movies for Science

I can only hope with the success of the movie Gravity, that they will stick to the science more in The Martian.

Interesting that you should say that about Gravity, because it was one of the least scientifically accurate movies that I have ever seen, with virtually every critical plot element requiring the physically impossible to occur.

When the movie got released it was reviewed by at least one scientist and that man only found a few flaws.

I really can't believe it's the least scientific movie you've ever seen...unless you've only seen 3 movies in your life.
 
Interesting that you should say that about Gravity, because it was one of the least scientifically accurate movies that I have ever seen, with virtually every critical plot element requiring the physically impossible to occur.

When the movie got released it was reviewed by at least one scientist and that man only found a few flaws.

I really can't believe it's the least scientific movie you've ever seen...unless you've only seen 3 movies in your life.

Perhaps there have been less scientifically accurate movies out there, but what bothered me most about Gravity's egregious inaccuracies is that they were crucial to the advancement of the plot. Although I am the kind of person who would still nitpick over small inaccuracies (like the fact that Sandra's tears wouldn't float away from her face), I don't let those kind prevent me from enjoying a movie. However, when you rely on the errors to tell your story that is when I get really bothered.

Here are the major problems, and they were all critical to the plot:

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1 - The Hubble Space Telescope and the International Space Station are not in the same orbit. It would have been impossible to travel from one to the other.
2 - The ISS and the Chinese Space Station are not in the same orbit. It would have been impossible to travel from one to the other.
3 - None of these are in the same orbit as the communications satellite, so the orbital debris could not have taken them out. It was a critical plot element that there be no communication with the ground.
4 - George died for no apparent reason. Sandra had stopped his motion relative to the space station. All she would have needed to do was a simple tug toward herself and he would have been saved. There is no force that would have made him float away once he was brought to rest.



There are other inaccuracies that demonstrate that the makers of the film did not understand orbital mechanics -- and the whole plot is based on orbital mechanics -- but those don't bother me as much as the above. When terrible science gets in the way of the story-telling, that's when I'm very bothered as a movie-goer.

Furthermore, in addition to the horrible science, I found the characters to be unsympathetic. I was not drawn in by their stories and developed no real concern for what would happen to them. In fact, I'm not sure the movie would have been any worse had the actors not been in it at all. It just wasn't very good story-telling.

I will, on the other hand, grant that the special effects were very good, and some of the interior weightless scenes were very well done.
 
When the movie got released it was reviewed by at least one scientist and that man only found a few flaws.

I really can't believe it's the least scientific movie you've ever seen...unless you've only seen 3 movies in your life.

Perhaps there have been less scientifically accurate movies out there, but what bothered me most about Gravity's egregious inaccuracies is that they were crucial to the advancement of the plot. Although I am the kind of person who would still nitpick over small inaccuracies (like the fact that Sandra's tears wouldn't float away from her face), I don't let those kind prevent me from enjoying a movie. However, when you rely on the errors to tell your story that is when I get really bothered.

Here are the major problems, and they were all critical to the plot:

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT:


1 - The Hubble Space Telescope and the International Space Station are not in the same orbit. It would have been impossible to travel from one to the other.
2 - The ISS and the Chinese Space Station are not in the same orbit. It would have been impossible to travel from one to the other.
3 - None of these are in the same orbit as the communications satellite, so the orbital debris could not have taken them out. It was a critical plot element that there be no communication with the ground.
4 - George died for no apparent reason. Sandra had stopped his motion relative to the space station. All she would have needed to do was a simple tug toward herself and he would have been saved. There is no force that would have made him float away once he was brought to rest.



There are other inaccuracies that demonstrate that the makers of the film did not understand orbital mechanics -- and the whole plot is based on orbital mechanics -- but those don't bother me as much as the above. When terrible science gets in the way of the story-telling, that's when I'm very bothered as a movie-goer.

Furthermore, in addition to the horrible science, I found the characters to be unsympathetic. I was not drawn in by their stories and developed no real concern for what would happen to them. In fact, I'm not sure the movie would have been any worse had the actors not been in it at all. It just wasn't very good story-telling.

I will, on the other hand, grant that the special effects were very good, and some of the interior weightless scenes were very well done.

Among several other problems, to add to the #3 in your spoiler alert:

Even if the Hubble had been in the same orbit as the communication satellite that caused the debris, the critical plot idea of the debris passing by every ninety minutes is a serious problem. If the debris were in the same orbit as them then they couldn't have encountered it. The story seems to assume that either they or the debris were orbiting the Earth and the other was just hanging there somehow so that they met every ninety minutes.



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For decent Sci-Fi, I kinda liked Contact. The assumed science wasn't ours but that of a super advanced society. It was so advanced that it appeared to be magic but the movie didn't try to explain it. I've found that it is generally in the explaining that so much of the hollywood nonsense appears.
 
Don't like time travel. Total nonsense.

When I go back in time, what exactly happens to all the matter that is now me that was scattered all over the place before I existed?
 
Don't like time travel. Total nonsense.

When I go back in time, what exactly happens to all the matter that is now me that was scattered all over the place before I existed?

While there are a lot of problems with time travel, I am not sure that this is one; As i understand it, a particle that moves in both time and space can exist in several places at the same time without breaking any of the rules of the Standard Model.

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As you move up the time (vertical) axis in this diagram, for example, you start out with one electron; then for a while there are two electrons and a positron; and then there is one electron again - but it can all be understood as a single particle moving in both space and time. So the particle that is a part of you now, that was a part of the apple you had at breakfast, can reasonably exist both in the apple and in you, separately and simultaneously, if you were to travel back in time to yesterday evening.
 
Don't like time travel. Total nonsense.

When I go back in time, what exactly happens to all the matter that is now me that was scattered all over the place before I existed?

While there are a lot of problems with time travel, I am not sure that this is one; As i understand it, a particle that moves in both time and space can exist in several places at the same time without breaking any of the rules of the Standard Model.

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As you move up the time (vertical) axis in this diagram, for example, you start out with one electron; then for a while there are two electrons and a positron; and then there is one electron again - but it can all be understood as a single particle moving in both space and time. So the particle that is a part of you now, that was a part of the apple you had at breakfast, can reasonably exist both in the apple and in you, separately and simultaneously, if you were to travel back in time to yesterday evening.
So when I go back in time, all the particles that make up me that are scattered who knows where will by some magic jump back and forth from me to their current locations and to observers overall matter in the universe will appear to increase?
 
While there are a lot of problems with time travel, I am not sure that this is one; As i understand it, a particle that moves in both time and space can exist in several places at the same time without breaking any of the rules of the Standard Model.

Feymanmultidirectional.jpg


As you move up the time (vertical) axis in this diagram, for example, you start out with one electron; then for a while there are two electrons and a positron; and then there is one electron again - but it can all be understood as a single particle moving in both space and time. So the particle that is a part of you now, that was a part of the apple you had at breakfast, can reasonably exist both in the apple and in you, separately and simultaneously, if you were to travel back in time to yesterday evening.
So when I go back in time, all the particles that make up me that are scattered who knows where will by some magic jump back and forth from me to their current locations and to observers overall matter in the universe will appear to increase?

There is no 'jumping back and forth'; In the diagram above, the electron on the left and the one on the right both exist at the same time, in different places; and they are both the same particle. The connection between them is a positron, which is an electron moving backwards in time. The amount of matter in the super-simplified universe depicted in the diagram can be thought of as going from one particle to three, and back to one - giving an apparent increase (and subsequent decrease) in the total matter that exists; or it can be seen as going from one particle to 1+(-1)+1 = 1 particle, giving a net of one particle at any given time, depending on how you prefer to look at it. The extra mass inherent in having an 'extra' electron/positron pair is taken from the energy of the absorbed photon, and returned to the energy of the emitted photon, (the photons are represented by the dotted lines labelled 'y') so the total mass/energy in existence in the system at any given time is always the same.

This may seem odd, but it is far from the oddest thing in quantum mechanics, and it is all as well evidenced as anything in science - if this isn't real, nothing is.

Nobody said the world had to conform to our common sense.

As I said, there are a lot of problems with time travel, and it may well be impossible - but the specific objection that it would involve the same matter being in two places at once is unfounded, because that already happens, so it clearly isn't as impossible as it feels.
 
So when I go back in time, all the particles that make up me that are scattered who knows where will by some magic jump back and forth from me to their current locations and to observers overall matter in the universe will appear to increase?

There is no 'jumping back and forth'; In the diagram above, the electron on the left and the one on the right both exist at the same time, in different places; and they are both the same particle. The connection between them is a positron, which is an electron moving backwards in time. The amount of matter in the super-simplified universe depicted in the diagram can be thought of as going from one particle to three, and back to one - giving an apparent increase (and subsequent decrease) in the total matter that exists; or it can be seen as going from one particle to 1+(-1)+1 = 1 particle, giving a net of one particle at any given time, depending on how you prefer to look at it.

This may seem odd, but it is far from the oddest thing in quantum mechanics, and it is all as well evidenced as anything in science - if this isn't real, nothing is.

Nobody said the world had to conform to our common sense.

As I said, there are a lot of problems with time travel, and it may well be impossible - but the specific objection that it would involve the same matter being in two places at once is unfounded, because that already happens, so it clearly isn't as impossible as it feels.
If I go back in time all the particles that make me up are already there.

Show me the observation of the same particles making up two discrete objects at the same time. Not the proposed model, the observation of it happening.

You're acting as if particles just exist in vacuums. You cannot negate the chemistry necessary for my body to have size and shape and function. For that chemistry to occur electrons have to exist in prescribed areas.

You can't have the same electron contributing to the chemistry of two discreet atoms.
 
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There is no 'jumping back and forth'; In the diagram above, the electron on the left and the one on the right both exist at the same time, in different places; and they are both the same particle. The connection between them is a positron, which is an electron moving backwards in time. The amount of matter in the super-simplified universe depicted in the diagram can be thought of as going from one particle to three, and back to one - giving an apparent increase (and subsequent decrease) in the total matter that exists; or it can be seen as going from one particle to 1+(-1)+1 = 1 particle, giving a net of one particle at any given time, depending on how you prefer to look at it.

This may seem odd, but it is far from the oddest thing in quantum mechanics, and it is all as well evidenced as anything in science - if this isn't real, nothing is.

Nobody said the world had to conform to our common sense.

As I said, there are a lot of problems with time travel, and it may well be impossible - but the specific objection that it would involve the same matter being in two places at once is unfounded, because that already happens, so it clearly isn't as impossible as it feels.
If I go back in time all the particles that make me up are already there.

Show me the observation of the same particles making up two discrete objects at the same time. Not the proposed model, the observation of it happening.
What do you want, a video of electrons interacting with gamma rays? You are asking for the impossible. The Standard Model says that things behave as I have described, and it is the best theory in history; If that isn't good enough for you, then nothing can be.

This cannot be observed; but if we assume that it occurs, our theory produces predictions that match our observations; and if we assume it does not occur, our theory produces predictions that do not match our observations.
You're acting as if particles just exist in vacuums.
Not at all; that is a simplifying assumption. Imagine zooming in to a slice of time in the middle of my diagram. We see two electrons, and a positron; all separated in space. Nothing important changes if those particles interact with other particles in any number of complex ways, between the time when the gamma photon splits into an electron and a positron, and the time that the positron meets an electron and is annihilated to produce a gamma photon.
You cannot negate the chemistry necessary for my body to have size and shape and function. For that chemistry to occur electrons have to exist in prescribed areas.
Of course. But that doesn't mean that, as per the diagram above, they cannot exist in another area as well, at the exact same time. From the point of view of an observer at a fixed point in time, there is no way to tell how many electrons there are, except to count up all the electrons in the entire universe, and subtract all of the positrons in the universe. That 'fundamental electron number' remains unchanged (at least by the phenomenon under discussion), but there is no reason why, at any given point in time, the total number of electrons in the universe cannot be greater than that minimum count; and no way for an observer at a fixed point in time to distinguish between a particle that contributes 1 to the count, and a particle that contributes more than 1. To the observer at a time in the middle of the diagram above, there exist two electrons - both of which are doing unrelated things, in unrelated places (and a positron, in a third unrelated location). Only by observing (or rather, by calculating) over time can we see that those two electrons and one positron are in fact one particle, that has moved in time, as well as in space.
You can't have the same electron contributing to the chemistry of two discreet atoms.

Yes, you can, if it travels back in time at some stage as a positron.

This is not intuitive, but it is true nonetheless. As I said before, this is far from the weirdest thing that is required by quantum mechanics; but quantum mechanics works, so we have to accept that reality is weird.
 
NOVA is sscience fact and theory at times stretching the speculations.

Science fiction, the key word is fiction.


Any space based scifi movie that uses a light at the rear of a spaceship as an engine or has sound effects in a vacuum is unrealistic.


Any space based movie which has those wonderful FTL engines without an apparent energy source is unrealistic.

Any space based movie that does not explain how waste heat is removed in a vacuum and the unavoidable temperature rise cooking the crew is un realistic.

Most or all scifi space based movies violate the laws of conservation in some form.

I'm just getting started. :D
The issue isn't really that they leave out an explanation, the problem is that they give an explanation that relies on an oft-repeated canard. That whole 10 percent of the brain nonsense makes anyone in the brain-sciences cringe.

There was another movie recently called Limitless (mentioned earlier in the thread) that has a similar premise - there exists some drug that gives one super intelligence but how is never really explained- and even if that was tweaked to super powers like telepathy or whatever, and it was left unexplained like in Limitless, I'd still be able to enjoy the movie.
 
Most of the injuries and deaths in Star Trek could have been avoided if they were wearing seat belts.
But I like Star Trek.
 
In the ST unversed apparently they could build starships, but not fire retardant material sand uniforms....

If they built the bridge equipment to UL standards equipment would not explode or catch fire. :D

And those shock hazards when crewmen get knocked on their butt touching a piece of equipment.. Sheesh, talk about shoddy engineering.
 
Interesting that you should say that about Gravity, because it was one of the least scientifically accurate movies that I have ever seen, with virtually every critical plot element requiring the physically impossible to occur.
Really? Oh do enlighten me! I saw it... but I was actually kind of bored to death by it. I was too busy trying to be a good guest and not fall asleep, and apparently I don't know enough physics to have caught the faux pas. I sort of assumed that part of it's tedium was due to it being far too realistic.

It´s actually reasonably scientifically accurate, for a hollywood movie, but this makes it all the more noticeable when it´s not accurate. The things that stood out the most to me was 1) someone blows up a satellite and just a few minutes later the debris hits the ISS, which makes no sense even assuming the satellite was in the exact same orbit as the ISS (it wouldn´t be). 2) there´s a communications blackout because all the satellites get knocked about. This is absurd since communication satellites are orbiting much much MUCH higher than the ISS does and would be completely unaffected. 3) The worst of the lot for me, is how the hubble, the ISS, and the Chinese space station are all within line of sight of each other and close enough to fly between with jetpack. In reality, they´re in different orbits and thousands of miles apart at the very least, they could not have travelled between them the way they did.

Edit, I just realized someone else already pointed some of this out. Oh well.
 
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If I go back in time all the particles that make me up are already there.

Show me the observation of the same particles making up two discrete objects at the same time. Not the proposed model, the observation of it happening.
What do you want, a video of electrons interacting with gamma rays? You are asking for the impossible. The Standard Model says that things behave as I have described, and it is the best theory in history; If that isn't good enough for you, then nothing can be.

This cannot be observed; but if we assume that it occurs, our theory produces predictions that match our observations; and if we assume it does not occur, our theory produces predictions that do not match our observations.
Asking for an observation to back up your claim is perfectly valid. Without one it isn't a provable claim.

You are claiming that particles do not exist in time. You are saying the universe is not disturbed when the number of particles is suddenly increased as would happen if I suddenly went back in time.

The problem is particles existing scattered all around and those same particles participating in the chemistry that is me, and doing so at the exact same time. And doing so at my whim as if I control the activity of all particles in the universe. I don't think the problem is solved by talking about electrons in isolation not participating in complex chemical bonds which requires they exist at a very prescribed area.
You're acting as if particles just exist in vacuums.
Not at all; that is a simplifying assumption. Imagine zooming in to a slice of time in the middle of my diagram. We see two electrons, and a positron; all separated in space. Nothing important changes if those particles interact with other particles in any number of complex ways, between the time when the gamma photon splits into an electron and a positron, and the time that the positron meets an electron and is annihilated to produce a gamma photon.
You cannot negate the chemistry necessary for my body to have size and shape and function. For that chemistry to occur electrons have to exist in prescribed areas.
Of course. But that doesn't mean that, as per the diagram above, they cannot exist in another area as well, at the exact same time. From the point of view of an observer at a fixed point in time, there is no way to tell how many electrons there are, except to count up all the electrons in the entire universe, and subtract all of the positrons in the universe. That 'fundamental electron number' remains unchanged (at least by the phenomenon under discussion), but there is no reason why, at any given point in time, the total number of electrons in the universe cannot be greater than that minimum count; and no way for an observer at a fixed point in time to distinguish between a particle that contributes 1 to the count, and a particle that contributes more than 1. To the observer at a time in the middle of the diagram above, there exist two electrons - both of which are doing unrelated things, in unrelated places (and a positron, in a third unrelated location). Only by observing (or rather, by calculating) over time can we see that those two electrons and one positron are in fact one particle, that has moved in time, as well as in space.
The model looks at too little. There is far more happening than two electrons. There are countless particles that make up me. All those particles have to be accounted for in some model, not just one.

If I were made of one particle you might have a point.
You can't have the same electron contributing to the chemistry of two discreet atoms.

Yes, you can, if it travels back in time at some stage as a positron.
No, no, no. In the real world model of molecules we do not allow that two separate distinct molecules can have the exact same electrons contributing to their structure.

You're violating everything we understand about the chemistry of molecules. You can't violate the chemistry and say you are using physics to do it. Physics is what makes up the chemistry.
This is not intuitive, but it is true nonetheless. As I said before, this is far from the weirdest thing that is required by quantum mechanics; but quantum mechanics works, so we have to accept that reality is weird.
I'm not questioning quantum mechanics. I'm questioning your interpretation of it.

As I said earlier, with your interpretation, an observer can see a net increase in matter at any time. He can see and measure the time traveler who has moved to the past and measure all the scattered matter that makes up the time traveler, that is the exact same matter. Not a transformation of matter but a magic doubling of matter.

Address the logic of that, I understand your model, I don't think it addresses the complexity of the situation, specifically the chemistry, but you don't need to address it anymore.
 
What do you want, a video of electrons interacting with gamma rays? You are asking for the impossible. The Standard Model says that things behave as I have described, and it is the best theory in history; If that isn't good enough for you, then nothing can be.

This cannot be observed; but if we assume that it occurs, our theory produces predictions that match our observations; and if we assume it does not occur, our theory produces predictions that do not match our observations.
Asking for an observation to back up your claim is perfectly valid. Without one it isn't a provable claim.

You are claiming that particles do not exist in time. You are saying the universe is not disturbed when the number of particles is suddenly increased as would happen if I suddenly went back in time.

The problem is particles existing scattered all around and those same particles participating in the chemistry that is me, and doing so at the exact same time. And doing so at my whim as if I control the activity of all particles in the universe. I don't think the problem is solved by talking about electrons in isolation not participating in complex chemical bonds which requires they exist at a very prescribed area.
You're acting as if particles just exist in vacuums.
Not at all; that is a simplifying assumption. Imagine zooming in to a slice of time in the middle of my diagram. We see two electrons, and a positron; all separated in space. Nothing important changes if those particles interact with other particles in any number of complex ways, between the time when the gamma photon splits into an electron and a positron, and the time that the positron meets an electron and is annihilated to produce a gamma photon.
You cannot negate the chemistry necessary for my body to have size and shape and function. For that chemistry to occur electrons have to exist in prescribed areas.
Of course. But that doesn't mean that, as per the diagram above, they cannot exist in another area as well, at the exact same time. From the point of view of an observer at a fixed point in time, there is no way to tell how many electrons there are, except to count up all the electrons in the entire universe, and subtract all of the positrons in the universe. That 'fundamental electron number' remains unchanged (at least by the phenomenon under discussion), but there is no reason why, at any given point in time, the total number of electrons in the universe cannot be greater than that minimum count; and no way for an observer at a fixed point in time to distinguish between a particle that contributes 1 to the count, and a particle that contributes more than 1. To the observer at a time in the middle of the diagram above, there exist two electrons - both of which are doing unrelated things, in unrelated places (and a positron, in a third unrelated location). Only by observing (or rather, by calculating) over time can we see that those two electrons and one positron are in fact one particle, that has moved in time, as well as in space.
The model looks at too little. There is far more happening than two electrons. There are countless particles that make up me. All those particles have to be accounted for in some model, not just one.

If I were made of one particle you might have a point.
You can't have the same electron contributing to the chemistry of two discreet atoms.

Yes, you can, if it travels back in time at some stage as a positron.
No, no, no. In the real world model of molecules we do not allow that two separate distinct molecules can have the exact same electrons contributing to their structure.

You're violating everything we understand about the chemistry of molecules. You can't violate the chemistry and say you are using physics to do it. Physics is what makes up the chemistry.
This is not intuitive, but it is true nonetheless. As I said before, this is far from the weirdest thing that is required by quantum mechanics; but quantum mechanics works, so we have to accept that reality is weird.
I'm not questioning quantum mechanics. I'm questioning your interpretation of it.

As I said earlier, with your interpretation, an observer can see a net increase in matter at any time. He can see and measure the time traveler who has moved to the past and measure all the scattered matter that makes up the time traveler, that is the exact same matter. Not a transformation of matter but a magic doubling of matter.

Address the logic of that, I understand your model, I don't think it addresses the complexity of the situation, specifically the chemistry, but you don't need to address it anymore.
I already did address it.

Matter is not conserved; mass/energy is conserved.

The gamma photons are not to be ignored; with them, conservation is maintained and your objection is rendered null.
 
Paraphrasing Carver Meade, 'I do not know if an electron exists, but I know I can do useful things with the theory''.

No one has seen or captured a single electron for observation. Yet in common usage we take it for granted they exist at this point due to the predictive success of theories based on electrons.

Particle physics is all supposition based on macroscopic level manifestations. So. if you demand some kind of absolute ' proof' you pretty much reject all of modern physics.

The act that science is not absolute allows for speculative science and fictional departure from established science for fun and profit.

If you are old enough you would remember the Dick Tracy comics with wrist worn video and audio communication devices....

As you increase relative velocities and approach relativistic speeds mass is not conserved, but a mathematics balance is maintained and conservation overall maintained. Nothing is unaccounted for in the theories.

The mass reference is an arbitrary chunk of metal sitting in a Paris lab.

We do not measurer matter, we measure mass of something relative to the kilogram Paris standard.

Matter is an amorphous term that means every thing that exists.
 
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I already did address it.

Matter is not conserved; mass/energy is conserved.

The gamma photons are not to be ignored; with them, conservation is maintained and your objection is rendered null.
The problem isn't addressed in the least.

Even if we agree it is possible for an electron to be in two places at the same time, what is happening here is infinitely more difficult than that.

It requires that somehow I am going to cause all the electrons in the past to simultaneously do whatever they were doing and also continue to do all the things they do to allow my existence.

Not a theoretical possibility. But forcing that possibility to occur in a very complex and specific way.

Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean I can shape it to my whims.
 
I already did address it.

Matter is not conserved; mass/energy is conserved.

The gamma photons are not to be ignored; with them, conservation is maintained and your objection is rendered null.
The problem isn't addressed in the least.

Even if we agree it is possible for an electron to be in two places at the same time, what is happening here is infinitely more difficult than that.

It requires that somehow I am going to cause all the electrons in the past to simultaneously do whatever they were doing and also continue to do all the things they do to allow my existence.
The one need have no influence on the other. Indeed, if they are simultaneous, it is easier for them not to influence each other (at that point in time) than it is for them to do so.
Not a theoretical possibility. But forcing that possibility to occur in a very complex and specific way.
EVERYTHING happens in a specific and complex way.

Nothing is 'forced'; it happens the way it happens. Which is always specific and complex.
Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean I can shape it to my whims.

No, it doesn't. But it does mean you can't reasonably use it as justification for ruling it out as a possibility - which is where we came in.
 
The problem isn't addressed in the least.

Even if we agree it is possible for an electron to be in two places at the same time, what is happening here is infinitely more difficult than that.

It requires that somehow I am going to cause all the electrons in the past to simultaneously do whatever they were doing and also continue to do all the things they do to allow my existence.
The one need have no influence on the other. Indeed, if they are simultaneous, it is easier for them not to influence each other (at that point in time) than it is for them to do so.
Your whim to be in the past in most definitely causing them to do this.

They are not doing it for any other reason.
Not a theoretical possibility. But forcing that possibility to occur in a very complex and specific way.
EVERYTHING happens in a specific and complex way.
But not because we will it to do so.

If I will for myself to be in the past then by your logic my will to be in the past will cause every single particle in my body to simultaneously also exist as particles in other objects.
Nothing is 'forced'; it happens the way it happens. Which is always specific and complex.
Earth calling.

The way it happens is that matter moves forward in time. Complex yes, but not a willed complexity.

Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean I can shape it to my whims.

No, it doesn't. But it does mean you can't reasonably use it as justification for ruling it out as a possibility - which is where we came in.
Of course I can.

They say it is theoretically possible for a universe to form out of nothing.

That doesn't mean I can form a universe out of nothing at my command.

Electrons can exist at two places at the same time. That doesn't mean they can exist where I command.
 
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