Yet another war, this time with Iran

[barbos]

I read this morning that the leader of Australia praised Trump for his attack on Iran. Is you country heading in the same direction as the US?

Nah, as usual our government just backs the USA because the US Embassy asks them to.

Albo's press release was written in Washington DC, and is almost word for word identical with the one from a couple of other countries.

Don't be too embarrassed for your country. Everyone does that, Even mighty Estonia.

 

[crazyfingers]

So how’s this war working out so far? All we her is that we’ve thrown b inch of missiles at Iran and they’ve thrown a few back. We’ve killed Khamenei and some other leaders. But how much damage to their nuclear capabilities have we actually inflicted? The BBC is reporting that we really can’t do much damage to their hardened sites where the real work is being done. Our bunker busters can’t go that deep.

I mean what’s the point of this? Regime change? Doesn’t seem to be working. The people aren’t rising up. Maybe they willl after we stop, but I’m skeptical that this will have the desired effect.

I still don’t understand what our casus belli is. I mean they haven’t even given a single one out, have they? We were negotiating with them one day and then we just walked out and attacked.

Ya. Trump appears to have no justification and no plan.

But he completely destroyed the nuke capabiliity back a few months ago. He must have because the guys at the DOD who said it was only a few months setback were fired.

Fucking idiots

 

[Jarhyn]

In some respects, I feel like this Iran situation has a lot to do with the Straits of Hormuz.

The Straits are, currently, apparently a no-go zone for shipping, and with the globalization of trade and the amount of European reliance on Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturing this amounts to an economic hit attack on trade between Europe and Asia especially when overland shipping from the East Asia has to go through West Asia, and a number of countries that can't be trusted with a number of important products passing through.

This concentrates shipping to Europe through Panama, around the horn, and around South America. This puts that shipping at the mercy of potential US blockade, essentially cutting off any Chinese, Japanese, Indian or Taiwanese logistics support of Europe in case of conflict with the US or Russia.

Starting shit with Iran just FUCKED a number of markets, from Oil to Tech, and markets will reflect that in the morning, with those who have stock on hand being king, and those who have stuff on the wrong side of a closed shipping lane suffering.

 

[Bomb#20]

And I take it you figure Roosevelt started WWII on Dec. 8, 1941?

Some say US caused both Dec 8. and nazi germay.
Hitler did not appear from nowhere.

Nazi Germany was caused by a certain Miss Stahl on January 27, 1859. Were it not for her perceptiveness, quick thinking and skill, Hitler would most likely have ended his days some time in the 1950s as a forgotten mediocre painter. Caused does not equal started.

WAB, you and Trump's neocon handles need to learn some history.

Which specific history do you feel WAB and I need to learn?

(I'm not sure which of Trump's body parts you consider his handles, but I suspect they're incapable of learning history -- especially if you propose to handle him by his neocon temporal lobes. )

 

[barbos]

They have a plan. It's the same plan as in Libya and Syria.

 

[bilby]

This is the most minor of issues right now, but who the fuck at the Pentagon thinks up these operation names? I mean, the NSW Police force randomly generate names for their operations as basic security.

10 bucks says the invasion of Cuba next month will be called "Operation big tits extreme rofl!!!!!oneoneone"

Operation Forget Epstein was ruled out as it revealed too much about the strategic goal.

 

[Bomb#20]

Speaking of learning some history, Nazi Germany was caused by Russia. If Russia hadn't mobilized in 1914 and instead just let Serbia duke it out with Austria-Hungary, Germany wouldn't have had a reason to get involved. No Treaty of Versailles, no Nazis.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No plan indeed. As a military operation, the US is skinning the Iranian military's cat. This is going to limit what Iran's military can do outside or Iran... good and inside of Iran... not as good.

And Trump wants a new leader. Again, making threats of mass violence or else. Of course, it is harder to target every member of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard than the head leader.

I suppose the other thing to consider is just how toothless Iran's military is. Iran's primary military impacts came via assymetric terrorism. Not blunt military force.

 

[Jarhyn]

No plan indeed. As a military operation, the US is skinning the Iranian military's cat. This is going to limit what Iran's military can do outside or Iran... good and inside of Iran... not as good.

And Trump wants a new leader. Again, making threats of mass violence or else. Of course, it is harder to target every member of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard than the head leader.

I suppose the other thing to consider is just how toothless Iran's military is. Iran's primary military impacts came via assymetric terrorism. Not blunt military force.

I mean, the plan might have just been "let's force Hormuz closed."

That is, ultimately, Iran's leverage to wield. They have fuck-all else besides oil.

 

[pood]

And you said nothing about JFK. I blame JFK for deepening American involvement in Vietnam, and LBJ, for turning it into a full-fledged war. I blame Eisenhower before them for instigating the whole mess in the first place. I blame G W Bush for Iraq. I blame the U.S. meddling illegally in nations all over the world.

I don't see you blaming US in meddling in Ukraine/Russia. Or in Romania recently.

The disaster in Ukraine is entirely the fault of the Nazi in the Kremlin.

The point stands: I and others blame the U.S. for a lot of bad things going back decades. Do you blame the Soviet Union/Russia for ANYTHING? Your wretched crap hole of a nation is paradise, is that it?

repeating BS does not make it true.

Were you planning to answer the question?

 

[Tigers!]

I read this morning that the leader of Australia praised Trump for his attack on Iran. Is you country heading in the same direction as the US?

Nah, as usual our government just backs the USA because the US Embassy asks them to.

Albo's press release was written in Washington DC, and is almost word for word identical with the one from a couple of other countries.

I do wish the Aust. govt could be more original when they release such press staements.

 

[ZiprHead]

Death toll in Israeli strike on southern Iran school rises to 165

Officials reported the death toll from the attack on the Shajareh Tayyebeh girls’ elementary school in Minab.

www.aljazeera.com

Fuck Israel.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I still don’t understand what our casus belli is. I mean they haven’t even given a single one out, have they? We were negotiating with them one day and then we just walked out and attacked.

Well, it was a Jared op. They didn't like his cologne, and he said they smelled of goat.

 

[barbos]

This is the most minor of issues right now, but who the fuck at the Pentagon thinks up these operation names? I mean, the NSW Police force randomly generate names for their operations as basic security.

10 bucks says the invasion of Cuba next month will be called "Operation big tits extreme rofl!!!!!oneoneone"

They should have properly called it "Tremendous Fury"

I heard better variant - "Epstein Fury"!

 

[pood]

This is the most minor of issues right now, but who the fuck at the Pentagon thinks up these operation names? I mean, the NSW Police force randomly generate names for their operations as basic security.

10 bucks says the invasion of Cuba next month will be called "Operation big tits extreme rofl!!!!!oneoneone"

They should have properly called it "Tremendous Fury"

I heard better variant - "Epstein Fury"!

I guess Barbos is not planning to answer the question. What a surprise!

 

[pood]

Hey, there at least a couple of people here who claimed voting for Trump would keep us out of war.

What do you have to say now?

 

[barbos]

This is the most minor of issues right now, but who the fuck at the Pentagon thinks up these operation names? I mean, the NSW Police force randomly generate names for their operations as basic security.

10 bucks says the invasion of Cuba next month will be called "Operation big tits extreme rofl!!!!!oneoneone"

They should have properly called it "Tremendous Fury"

I heard better variant - "Epstein Fury"!

I guess Barbos is not planning to answer the question. What a surprise!

What question?
And it is fucking ironic coming from the the people who can't answer my questions for years.

 

[SLD]

Killing Khamenei was easy — toppling Iran's regime is not - Asia Times

The latest Israeli and US war on Iran began with strategic airstrikes on the home and offices of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who was reportedly meeting

asiatimes.com

Interesting article about how the regime is designed to last despite pressures from abroad and decapitation. Trump is really a fool. Led by other fools. The war may quickly die down, but it won’t have achieved much in the end. Just like Venezuela. We went in got their leader and then nothing. There is no regime change. There won’t be in Iran either. If anything this will just strengthen the hand of the hardliners and entrench the regime. Khamenei would have died of natural causes soon enough. And then there’d have been a much better chance of the regime failing. Utter fools.

 

[barbos]

Hey, there at least a couple of people here who claimed voting for Trump would keep us out of war.

What do you have to say now?

Obama got Nobel Prize for that.... and then invaded Libya and Syria and attacked Russia.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Hey, there at least a couple of people here who claimed voting for Trump would keep us out of war.

What do you have to say now?

Despite being so utterly fucking predictable, I did peruse Trumpy websites and internet comments on other forums. In the blink of an eye they went from bragging about how Trump was keeping us out of wars to what a ballsy alpha he is.

Anyway, bombings + power vacuum always = best outcome available. Always. Every time.

It's just science.