Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Jimmy Higgins]

What, is 'hope it works out' not a viable strategy for determining an armistice?

Hey, it worked in 1918. Mostly.

Stop bitching. The Versailles Treaty led to 33 years of peace in Europe.

 

[barbos]

The only hope is that Iran still have enough fire power left to actually organize some response.

Why is that your "hope"? The Tehran theocracy has been a horrible regime, and Iranian people would be far better off with it in the dustbin of history.

More terrible than what you have in Saudi Arabia or now in Syria?

 

[SLD]

Maybe we shouldn’t put people preparing for the rapture in charge of anything.

 

[crazyfingers]

Farkwit has announced that the people in Iran who the US had expected would become the new leadership were also killed in the bombings.

So we could “go through this and in five years you realize you put somebody in who’s no better.” No shit, Sherlock.

How do you end a war against a leaderless opponent?

With whom do you agree ceasefire terms, and how does anyone on either side ensure that individual units get ceasefire orders, and comply with them?

The same they did it in Venezuela. Hope the person you put in charge pleases the opposition.

Where is a plan to put anyone in charge?

According to Lindsey Graham it is not our job to decide who is in charge. Even though we just killed the man who was in charge.

The old saying "You break it, you own it" doesn't apply under Trump. He just breaks stuff to satisfy his ego.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump announces he'll personally escort all tankers througb Strait of Hormuz. Says he started this, he is going to fix it.

 

[crazyfingers]

Maybe we shouldn’t put people preparing for the rapture in charge of anything.

No. They will just destroy everything.

 

[crazyfingers]

Trump announces he'll personally escort all tankers througb Strait of Hormuz. Says he started this, he is going to fix it.

I'll bet you anything he'll claim to have fixed it. But it will be another lie. Trump never fixes anything. He just breaks stuff.

 

[Toni]

IMHO, this escalation of threat against Iran is not necessarily a serious one. I think it is much more political theatre and a diversionary tactic. Trump is keenly aware of his waning attraction and that of the GOP. Midterm elections are approaching. So he needs enemies to attack a immigrants, Somalis, Mn, Iran, etc- to shore up the GOP base snd to divert attention from his unfulfillable promises and debacles.

If his bluff is called and we start bombing, he can also expand his domestic terror campaign to Muslims. And, in a perverse way he would be extorting the Nobel Peace Prize committee.

Do I think this is a plan that will make the world safer? Neither history nor rationality suggest it will. But that is not what drives this plan - Trump’s insatiable ego and need for power does.

I think that part of the strategy is to provoke a big enough conflict to give Trump pretext to suspend mid-term elections. Assuming that people do not seem to be following the tradition of sticking with whoever is potus during a war.

 

[Toni]

I mean, fuck Israel. I couldn't care less.

Why? They are an important ally,

Israel is not an important ally. They are a parasite. They have been oppressing Palestinians for decades on American dime.

and they face the same enemy we in the West do - Islamofascism.

Islamofascism is not our enemy. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. There is terror by some tiny sliver of Muslims, but the origin of it is much more complex than people like you are able to understand.

Yes, and the vast majority of Jews are peaceful.

Most people want peace, whatever their religious persuasion, including none.

But for some people, war is immensely profitable. That is the problem: Profit is always the motive behind every war.

 

[blastula]

"A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.


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I'm not big on taking substack without unhealthy amounts of salt.

RawStory has it, but I find them to be a bit on the edge as well.
If this were true, it'd be extremely disturbing. My problem in taking this too seriously is I wouldn't expect such an attitude to go too deep down the command chain. Hegseth hasn't been able to infect it that quickly, I wouldn't think. I'll wait till a bigger outlet can report on this with verification.

Agreed. I've tried to find this on any news source that has some mainstream credibility, and haven't. All it has is a surface resemblance to WarMan Hegseth's creepy faith life.
So -- show me the details. See how easy it is not to jump on the disinformation choo-choo, righties?

They're all just repeating what MRFF has said and they have confirmed they said so.

MRFF Inundated with Complaints of Gleeful Commanders Telling Troops Iran War is “Part of God’s Divine Plan” to Usher in the Return of Jesus Christ

“This morning our commander opened up the combat readiness status briefing by urging us to not be “afraid” as to what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now. He urged us to tell our troops that this was “all part of God’s divine plan” and he specifically referenced numerous...

www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org

 

[TV and credit cards]

"Every leader appointed by the Iranian terror regime to continue and lead the plan to destroy Israel, to threaten the United States and the free world and the countries of the region, and to suppress the Iranian people — will be an unequivocal target for elimination," Defence Minister Israel Katz said in a statement. "It does not matter what his name is or the place where he hides."

Just swimmingly.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I mean, fuck Israel. I couldn't care less.

Why? They are an important ally,

Israel is not an important ally. They are a parasite. They have been oppressing Palestinians for decades on American dime.

and they face the same enemy we in the West do - Islamofascism.

Islamofascism is not our enemy. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. There is terror by some tiny sliver of Muslims, but the origin of it is much more complex than people like you are able to understand.

Yes, and the vast majority of Jews are peaceful.

Most people want peace, whatever their religious persuasion, including none.

But for some people, war is immensely profitable. That is the problem: Profit is always the motive behind every war.

Speaking of profit, Polymarket had a massive increase in bets Friday on Iran being attacked within one day. Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of them came from DoD.

 

[Toni]

I mean, fuck Israel. I couldn't care less.

Why? They are an important ally,

Israel is not an important ally. They are a parasite. They have been oppressing Palestinians for decades on American dime.

and they face the same enemy we in the West do - Islamofascism.

Islamofascism is not our enemy. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. There is terror by some tiny sliver of Muslims, but the origin of it is much more complex than people like you are able to understand.

Yes, and the vast majority of Jews are peaceful.

Most people want peace, whatever their religious persuasion, including none.

But for some people, war is immensely profitable. That is the problem: Profit is always the motive behind every war.

Speaking of profit, Polymarket had a massive increase in bets Friday on Iran being attacked within one day. Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of them came from DoD.


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Wouldn’t t surprise me if most of them were from Trump’s cabinet and what is left of his inner circle. And Trump himself.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I mean, fuck Israel. I couldn't care less.

Why? They are an important ally,

Israel is not an important ally. They are a parasite. They have been oppressing Palestinians for decades on American dime.

and they face the same enemy we in the West do - Islamofascism.

Islamofascism is not our enemy. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. There is terror by some tiny sliver of Muslims, but the origin of it is much more complex than people like you are able to understand.

Yes, and the vast majority of Jews are peaceful.

Most people want peace, whatever their religious persuasion, including none.

But for some people, war is immensely profitable. That is the problem: Profit is always the motive behind every war.

Speaking of profit, Polymarket had a massive increase in bets Friday on Iran being attacked within one day. Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of them came from DoD.


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You mean the DoW, not the DoD. Speaking of which, when Blondi says the DoW is up 50,000 maybe that's what she's talking about. I mean, it's not like it's not betting anyway.

 

[Playball40]

I mean, fuck Israel. I couldn't care less.

Why? They are an important ally,

Israel is not an important ally. They are a parasite. They have been oppressing Palestinians for decades on American dime.

and they face the same enemy we in the West do - Islamofascism.

Islamofascism is not our enemy. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. There is terror by some tiny sliver of Muslims, but the origin of it is much more complex than people like you are able to understand.

We have WAY more Christian Terrorists right here in this country. A much BIGGER threat.

I'd say we potentially have more Christian terrorists, but at this time, I disagree with your statement. If, for example, Trump had been rightfully removed from office and convicted of the multiple crimes he should've been convicted for, then we may have been looking at something somewhat similar to The Troubles in Northern Ireland. At that point we would've had thousands, if not more Christian terrorists.

I disagree. Those that stormed the capitol, ICE, people letting women with ectopic pregnancies die.......they are all Xtian Terrorists.

 

[Playball40]

"A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.


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I'm not big on taking substack without unhealthy amounts of salt.

RawStory has it, but I find them to be a bit on the edge as well.
If this were true, it'd be extremely disturbing. My problem in taking this too seriously is I wouldn't expect such an attitude to go too deep down the command chain. Hegseth hasn't been able to infect it that quickly, I wouldn't think. I'll wait till a bigger outlet can report on this with verification.

Agreed. I've tried to find this on any news source that has some mainstream credibility, and haven't. All it has is a surface resemblance to WarMan Hegseth's creepy faith life.
So -- show me the details. See how easy it is not to jump on the disinformation choo-choo, righties?

I know my crazy maga brother has been saying this shit for years.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

"A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.


...

I'm not big on taking substack without unhealthy amounts of salt.

RawStory has it, but I find them to be a bit on the edge as well.
If this were true, it'd be extremely disturbing. My problem in taking this too seriously is I wouldn't expect such an attitude to go too deep down the command chain. Hegseth hasn't been able to infect it that quickly, I wouldn't think. I'll wait till a bigger outlet can report on this with verification.

Agreed. I've tried to find this on any news source that has some mainstream credibility, and haven't. All it has is a surface resemblance to WarMan Hegseth's creepy faith life.
So -- show me the details. See how easy it is not to jump on the disinformation choo-choo, righties?

I think the issue is the following: There is a single secondary source which alleges it obtained information from some 110 primary sources, eyewitnesses and ear witnesses to the events of the commanding officers. No primary source is listed, no commanding officer's name is listed and so it cannot be verified. In their defense, suppose it is true, what would be the reason for not showing names? It could be fear of losing one's job which is a very real thing right now. Getting booted from the military with a dishonorable discharge will ruin one's life.

Here is Military.com on it:

A Pentagon spokesperson, when asked about the complaints and the ties to the ongoing mission in the Middle East, did not directly respond to the question. Instead, they referred Military.com to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s remarks made Monday about the United States’ intentions.

The complaints remain anonymous due to fear of retribution by the Defense Department.

Now that said, I am open to it being real or fake. Let's suppose it is fake. Then, I'd expect the secondary source organization to have a bad reputation. OR no reputation at all due to it springing up from nowhere. Here is info on the organization:

Military Religious Freedom Foundation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's actually reputable. Therefore, I am inclined to believe the story is likely true, but not definitely true.

 

[ideologyhunter]

"A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.


...

I'm not big on taking substack without unhealthy amounts of salt.

RawStory has it, but I find them to be a bit on the edge as well.
If this were true, it'd be extremely disturbing. My problem in taking this too seriously is I wouldn't expect such an attitude to go too deep down the command chain. Hegseth hasn't been able to infect it that quickly, I wouldn't think. I'll wait till a bigger outlet can report on this with verification.

Agreed. I've tried to find this on any news source that has some mainstream credibility, and haven't. All it has is a surface resemblance to WarMan Hegseth's creepy faith life.
So -- show me the details. See how easy it is not to jump on the disinformation choo-choo, righties?

I think the issue is the following: There is a single secondary source which alleges it obtained information from some 110 primary sources, eyewitnesses and ear witnesses to the events of the commanding officers. No primary source is listed, no commanding officer's name is listed and so it cannot be verified. In their defense, suppose it is true, what would be the reason for not showing names? It could be fear of losing one's job which is a very real thing right now. Getting booted from the military with a dishonorable discharge will ruin one's life.

Here is Military.com on it:

A Pentagon spokesperson, when asked about the complaints and the ties to the ongoing mission in the Middle East, did not directly respond to the question. Instead, they referred Military.com to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s remarks made Monday about the United States’ intentions.

The complaints remain anonymous due to fear of retribution by the Defense Department.

Now that said, I am open to it being real or fake. Let's suppose it is fake. Then, I'd expect the secondary source organization to have a bad reputation. OR no reputation at all due to it springing up from nowhere. Here is info on the organization:

Military Religious Freedom Foundation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's actually reputable. Therefore, I am inclined to believe the story is likely true, but not definitely true.

Fair; I'd just like to see/hear it on a more 'mainstream' source, i.e., MSNBC, which I haven't yet, and that's a channel which would certainly investigate such a story. This is such an AI-besotted world -- and such a scammer's planet -- anymore that I don't believe half of my emails. Also, I don't want conspiracies and gotcha memes to come from the left. I leave that to the righties or to anyone who doesn't know any better than to trust what our current "President" says.

 

[Tigers!]

Also, I don't want conspiracies and gotcha memes to come from the left.

Can you try to stop gotcha memes from the left please?

I leave that to the righties or to anyone who doesn't know any better than to trust what our current "President" says.

I wouldn't trust what any of your presidents say.
It seems to me that you yanks constantly elect whallopers and knaves to your presidency.
The 3 prerequisites to be elected president seem to be
1. Ability to raise or obtain vast sums of money
2. Ability to raise or obtain vast sums of money
3. I repeat myself

 

[southernhybrid]

"A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.


...

I'm not big on taking substack without unhealthy amounts of salt.

RawStory has it, but I find them to be a bit on the edge as well.
If this were true, it'd be extremely disturbing. My problem in taking this too seriously is I wouldn't expect such an attitude to go too deep down the command chain. Hegseth hasn't been able to infect it that quickly, I wouldn't think. I'll wait till a bigger outlet can report on this with verification.

Agreed. I've tried to find this on any news source that has some mainstream credibility, and haven't. All it has is a surface resemblance to WarMan Hegseth's creepy faith life.
So -- show me the details. See how easy it is not to jump on the disinformation choo-choo, righties?

I think the issue is the following: There is a single secondary source which alleges it obtained information from some 110 primary sources, eyewitnesses and ear witnesses to the events of the commanding officers. No primary source is listed, no commanding officer's name is listed and so it cannot be verified. In their defense, suppose it is true, what would be the reason for not showing names? It could be fear of losing one's job which is a very real thing right now. Getting booted from the military with a dishonorable discharge will ruin one's life.

Here is Military.com on it:

A Pentagon spokesperson, when asked about the complaints and the ties to the ongoing mission in the Middle East, did not directly respond to the question. Instead, they referred Military.com to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s remarks made Monday about the United States’ intentions.

The complaints remain anonymous due to fear of retribution by the Defense Department.

Now that said, I am open to it being real or fake. Let's suppose it is fake. Then, I'd expect the secondary source organization to have a bad reputation. OR no reputation at all due to it springing up from nowhere. Here is info on the organization:

Military Religious Freedom Foundation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's actually reputable. Therefore, I am inclined to believe the story is likely true, but not definitely true.

Fair; I'd just like to see/hear it on a more 'mainstream' source, i.e., MSNBC, which I haven't yet, and that's a channel which would certainly investigate such a story. This is such an AI-besotted world -- and such a scammer's planet -- anymore that I don't believe half of my emails. Also, I don't want conspiracies and gotcha memes to come from the left. I leave that to the righties or to anyone who doesn't know any better than to trust what our current "President" says.

How about Newsweek?

https://www.newsweek.com/us-commander-said-trump-anointed-by-jesus-to-attack-iran-report-11615046

ome U.S. military leaders are telling troops that the Iran war is part of "God's divine plan" featuring President Donald Trump and Jesus, according to a religious freedom advocacy group. In response to Newsweek's request for comment on the matter, the Pentagon talked about Trump's action in Iran.

Mikey Weinstein, founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said the nonprofit group has received more than 200 complaints from roughly 50 military installations since Saturday involving reports of U.S. commanders linking Christianity to the "biblically sanctioned" war in Iran.

Btw, the guy who wrote the article used to be a reporter for MSNBC, now MSNow. This is showing up in more sources. Maybe MSNow is looking into it more before reporting on it, or maybe they are fearful of the repercussions. Considering the number of sources reporting this, it does seem likely that it's real.

It's even in The Drudge Report, which is usually considered a right leaning source, so it's not just the left that is making this claim. Hopefully we will hear more about it in more mainstream sources before too long.