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Yet another war, this time with Iran

Now Trump is talking about "boots on the ground", which erases a talking point of supporters of this war who were praising that it was all air strikes without boots on the ground.

You can take out the opposition leader with air strikes, but that is no guarantee of a regime change. The end result depends on the government apparatus in place to compensate for leader loss. In Libya taking out Qaddafi meant his regime would collapse since he was the regime. Now if someone were to take out the head of state of a Western Democracy there is an elaborate machinery to determine who is next in line.

In war there is a saying "artillery takes, infantry holds". Air strikes are in this case being used as a very advanced artillery.
 
Now Trump is talking about "boots on the ground", which erases a talking point of supporters of this war who were praising that it was all air strikes without boots on the ground.

You can take out the opposition leader with air strikes, but that is no guarantee of a regime change.
I thought we weren’t there for regime change. At least that’s what we are being told.
 
Airstrikes were never going to be able to meet Trump's war aims. Even boots on the ground are unlikely to make the American people forget Epstein.
Epstein keeps being brought up but I fear this is more senseless than he is being given credit for.

I saw a report national guard troops were being caller up in New Hampshire. Trump's nunbers will collapse if he starts sending NG troops towards Iran pretty much anyone who isn't right-wing and/or MAGA.
 
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How crucial are Iranian drones to Russia's war in Ukraine? I'm assuming there will not be many coming to Russia now
Not crucial at all, cause they have been locally manufactured for years now. Engines and electronics are from China. The rest is local.
So you better ask better question, how crucial US supplied weapons (Patriot missiles ) to Ukraine?
 
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Airstrikes were never going to be able to meet Trump's war aims. Even boots on the ground are unlikely to make the American people forget Epstein.
Does not mater. The moment Trump desides to back off, Mossad release all the files they were supplied by Epstein.
 
Now Trump is talking about "boots on the ground", which erases a talking point of supporters of this war who were praising that it was all air strikes without boots on the ground.

You can take out the opposition leader with air strikes, but that is no guarantee of a regime change. The end result depends on the government apparatus in place to compensate for leader loss. In Libya taking out Qaddafi meant his regime would collapse since he was the regime. Now if someone were to take out the head of state of a Western Democracy there is an elaborate machinery to determine who is next in line.

In war there is a saying "artillery takes, infantry holds". Air strikes are in this case being used as a very advanced artillery.
Artillery takes, infantry holds (the line against an ever-expanding guerilla resistance, at increasingly exorbitant cost to both public money and public goodwill)
 
Kommander Kegsbreath:

Well, good morning. I stand before you today with one unmistakable message about Operation Epic Fury: America is winning decisively, devastatingly and without mercy. Under the direct command of President Trump, the War Department unleashed this operation early Saturday morning, just four days ago, which means we need to remember two things.

First, we are only four days into this. Metrics are shifting, dust is settling, and more forces are arriving. It's very early. And as President Trump has said, we will take all the time we need to make sure that we succeed.

Second, we are only four days into this, and the results have been incredible, historic really. Only the United States of America could lead this, only us. But when you add the Israeli Defense Forces, a devastatingly capable force, the combination is sheer destruction for our radical Islamist Iranian adversaries. They are toast and they know it, or at least soon enough they will know it. And we have only just begun to hunt, dismantle, demoralize, destroy and defeat their capabilities just four days in.

Starting last night and to be completed in a few days, in under a week, the two most powerful Air Forces in the world will have complete control of Iranian skies, uncontested airspace. I hope all the folks watching understand what uncontested airspace and complete control means. It means we will fly all day, all night, day and night finding, fixing and finishing the missiles and defense industrial base of the Iranian military, finding and fixing their leaders and their military leaders, flying over Tehran, flying over Iran, flying over their capital, flying over the IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps], Iranian leaders looking up and seeing only US and Israeli air power every minute of every day until we decide it's over.

And Iran will be able to do nothing about it. B-2s, B-52s, B-1s, Predator drones, fighters controlling the skies, picking targets, death and destruction from the sky all day long. We're playing for keeps. Our warfighters have maximum authorities granted personally by the president and yours truly.

Our rules of engagement are bold, precise and designed to unleash American power, not shackle it. This was never meant to be a fair fight, and it is not a fair fight. We are punching them while they're down, which is exactly how it should be. Thus far, Operation Epic Fury has delivered twice the air power of shock and awe of Iraq in 2003, minus Paul Bremer and the Nation Building.

The campaign has seven times the intensity of Israel's previous operations against Iran during the 12-day war, seven times. And as President Trump said, more and larger waves are coming; we are just getting started. We are accelerating, not decelerating. Iran's capabilities are evaporating by the hour. While American strength grows, fiercer smarter and utterly dominant.

More bombers and more fighters are arriving just today. And now with complete control of the skies, we will be using 500-pound, 1,000-pound and 2,000-pound GPS and laser-guided precision gravity bombs of which we have a nearly unlimited stockpile. We used more exquisite standoff munitions at the start but no longer need to. Our stockpiles of those as well as Patriot's remains extremely strong.

The enemy can no longer shoot the volume of missiles they once did, not even close, and the chairman will lay out some of those percentages. So, our air defenses and that of our allies have plenty of runway. We can sustain this fight easily for as long as we need to. And as I said yesterday, we set the terms.

Now you may not see much of it because the IRGC shut off the internet to the entirety of the country. They blind their people on purpose, just like they kill their own on purpose. Much was made of the volume of missiles Iran was able to shoot in the first few days and sadly, as we projected, a few got through and killed six of our best who will hopefully arrive home soon. We will avenge them, no doubt.

But I liken Iran's predicament to a football team who scripted the first 20 plays of a game. The team knew what plays to run because their first few drives were scripted. But now that the game has started and the blitz is on, they don't know what plays to call, let alone how to get in the huddle and call those plays.

Iran's senior leaders are dead, the so-called governing council that might have selected a successor, dead, missing or cowering in bunkers, too terrified to even occupy the same room. Senior generals, mid-level officers, enlisted ranks, they can't talk or communicate, let alone mount a coordinated and sustained offensive. That's not great for morale.

The Iranian Air Force is no more, built for 1996, destroyed in 2026. The Iranian navy rests at the bottom of the Persian Gulf, combat ineffective, decimated, destroyed, defeated, pick your adjective. In fact, last night we sunk their prized ship, the Soleimani. Looks like POTUS got him twice.

Their navy, not a factor. Pick your adjective, it is no more. In fact, yesterday in the Indian Ocean, and we'll play it on the screen there, an American submarine sunk an Iranian warship that thought it was safe in international waters. Instead, it was sunk by a torpedo, quiet death. The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War II.

Like in that war back when we were still the War Department, we are fighting to win. Also, yesterday, the leader of the unit who attempted to assassinate President Trump has been hunted down and killed. Iran tried to kill President Trump and President Trump got the last laugh. Now, this is not a mission accomplished situation.

This is simply a reality check. The combination of US and Israeli intelligence and combat power will control Iran and will control it soon. Sure, Iran will still be able to shoot some missiles and still be able to launch one-way attack drones at civilian targets and their proxies will attempt to attack our embassies, bases and soft targets.

They are terrorists after all and they need to target civilians, because they can't fight toe-to-toe. But we will find them, and we will kill them. This is what the fake news misses. We've taken control of Iran's airspace and waterways without boots on the ground. We control their fate. But when a few drones get through or tragic things happen, it's front-page news.

I get it, the press only wants to make the president look bad – but try for once to report the reality. The terms of this war will be set by us at every step. As I said Monday, the mission is laser-focused, obliterate Iran's missiles and drones and facilities that produce them, annihilate its navy and critical security infrastructure and sever their pathway to nuclear weapons.

Iran will never possess a nuclear bomb, not on our watch, not ever. And this is why President Trump's moral clarity on Iran today is so vital. Unlike the past, where vague red lines and endless negotiations let Iran fund terror and inch ever so slightly toward a bomb, this president sees the threat plainly and acts decisively, no more half measures, especially when Iran is at its weakest. No more letting Tehran play for time while our people pay the price.

His leadership ensures that we finish what we start and that we protect our warfighters by crushing the enemy before they can strike again. Our offensive operations refined through months of relentless preparation are unstoppable and our defensive efforts are unprecedented.

We have, from the start, put the protection of our troops ahead of everything else. Before we very publicly built up offensive combat power, we quietly ensured that our defensive posture and power was in place. And as we built up offensive combat power, we moved the vast majority of American troops, over 90 percent of Americans that were on our bases, what we say off the X, out of the range of Iranian fire.

Our defensive shield is equally formidable, the most sophisticated air and missile defense network ever fielded. Thousands of Iranian missiles and drones have been intercepted and vaporized, tens of thousands of American and allied lives protected. We have pushed every counter UAS system possible forward sparing no expense or capability.

And like I said, this does not mean we can stop everything, but we ensured that the maximum possible defense and maximum possible force protection was set up before we went on offense. In closing, as President Trump told German Chancellor Mertz yesterday, Iran negotiated in bad faith, stalling, scheming and preparing to strike.

And we acted decisively to defend our people, our interests and our allies. President Trump took bold action, putting America first, the kind of bold action that the American people elected him to execute. To our steadfast partner, Israel, your mission is being executed with unmatched skill and iron determination.

Fighting shoulder to shoulder with such a capable ally is a true force multiplier and a breath of fresh air. We salute your courage and your contribution. Four days in, we have only just begun to fight. America fights to win, and in Operation Epic Fury, we are. May God's providence cover and protect our troops always. And with that, I turn it over to the Chairman.​
 
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I suspect that in the end, ground troops are the only way to achieve any objective of stopping their nuclear ambitions or achieving regime change.

We could have tried diplomacy, but that’s for pussies.
 
Where are all those MAGGOTs who say they voted for Trump because he would be a peace president?
You mean like Marjorie Tyler Green, Tucker Carlson, and Steve Bannon? They are not happy with Trump right now and are saying so.
 
We could have tried diplomacy, but that’s for pussies.

I'd say he did try diplomacy. By his try was piss poor. He's a fuck all lousy deal-maker. One problem is that he fired all the real diplomats and would never listen to them anyway.
 
Where are all those MAGGOTs who say they voted for Trump because he would be a peace president?
You mean like Marjorie Tyler Green, Tucker Carlson, and Steve Bannon? They are not happy with Trump right now and are saying so.

My point. They were dumb enough to believe a sociopathic liar.

But they are all sociopathic liars themselves, so it should have taken one to know one.

As to the rest of the MAGGOTs who still support Trump, they just reveal themselves to be dishonest as well as dumb as a box of rocks.
 
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Trump says the US is already "substantially ahead" of its time projections. He says they projected four-five weeks at the beginning, but adds they have "capability to go far longer".
The meaningless drivel just evacuates his mouth like loose stool from an anus.
WTF are we "substantially ahead of"???

In no way does any of this make sense. I suppose that goes without saying though as do useless questions that will never be answered, but what the hell:

Q: What's the strategic plan?

Q: What benefits does the U.S. hope to gain?

Q: Can you say in any concrete way how Iran was a threat to the U.S.?

Q: Why is this the right time to do this?

Q: What groups have you been in contact with that will replace the current regime, how will the new regime be implemented, and with what support from the United States?

A: because the Dow is at 50,000!

The above covers it all I suppose.
Answers to your 5 questions (in order)
1) The strategic plan is for Trump to make sure his nose stays firmly in place up Netanyahu's ass. Trump and congress are to make sure the US remains Netanyahu's puppet.

2) No benefits for the US. Only Israel.

3) Never a threat to US, only a threat to Israel

4) Netanyahu must have thought the timing was right in accordance to how Epstein pressure was playing out. But when all else fails they always take us to war.

5) Netanyahu hasn't told us yet. All we know at this time is that a tiny little country in the mideast about the size of New Jersey is in charge of the US population approximently 350 million people. We don't want to ask either because that would be anti-semitic.
 
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