Young black woman gunned down in her own home by police. No charges made against police.

[southernhybrid]

Here we go again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/11/family-seeks-answers-fatal-police-shooting-louisville-woman-her-apartment/

Breonna Taylor was working as an EMT in Louisville when the coronavirus pandemic hit the country, helping to save lives while trying to protect her own.
On March 13, the 26-year-old aspiring nurse was killed in her apartment, shot at least eight times by Louisville police officers who officials have said were executing a drug warrant, according to a lawsuit filed by the family, accusing officers of wrongful death, excessive force and gross negligence.
“Not one person has talked to me. Not one person has explained anything to me,” Tamika Palmer, Taylor’s mother, said in an interview. “I want justice for her. I want them to say her name. There’s no reason Breonna should be dead at all.”
According to the lawsuit, filed April 27, Louisville police executed a search warrant at Taylor’s home, looking for a man who did not live in Taylor’s apartment complex and had already been detained when officers came to Taylor’s apartment after midnight. Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, was also in the apartment and, according to the lawsuit, shot at officers when they attempted to enter without announcing themselves. The lawsuit alleges that police fired more than 20 rounds of ammunition into the apartment.

So, will the usual suspects defend these incompetent, racist police?

Her boyfriend who lives with her, shot at the police, and he was arrested, despite the fact that that police never announced who they were and the young man thought that someone was trying to break into his home. Does Kentucky have a stand your ground law? Even if that's not the case, isn't it usually reasonable, at least in most states in the US, to defend yourself if you think someone is breaking in to harm you? This seems to be another potential miscarriage of justice. The man they were looking for didn't even live in the apartment and had already been detained. Shouldn't such flagrant incompetence be punished, even if the murder hadn't happened?

It appears as if it's often the police who are the real thugs, entering homes unannounced and shooting innocent victims! Yet, they often get away with murder!

None of the officers involved have been charged in connection with the shooting. Walker, a licensed gun owner who was not injured in the incident, was arrested and faces charges of first-degree assault and attempted murder of a police officer.

Sounds to me like the boyfriend was just trying to protect himself and his female partner. I don't think he should have been charged with a crime, as the police never announced themselves, but broke into the home of an innocent person with guns locked and loaded. And the suspect they thought they were after was only being charged with a drug offense. ( This is one reason why I support the decriminalization of all recreational drugs. But, that's not what my thread is about. )

Why are the police such chickenshits that they used 20 rounds to kill a young innocent woman in her own home? This shit needs to be stopped. Police that kill innocent people in their own homes need to face charges.

 

[laughing dog]

WTF? The police
1) were executing a search warrant for someone who they already had detained, and
2) did not announce themselves?

If someone bursts into one's home and does not identify themselves as the police, then they ought to be treated in the same manner as any civilian.

 

[southernhybrid]

Well, well well. Kentucky does have a stand your ground law, but I guess it doesn't apply to young black men.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/kentucky-gun-laws-what-you-should-know/

Is Kentucky a ‘Stand Your Ground’ State?
Yes. Kentucky is a Castle Doctrine state and has a “stand your ground” law. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat. He or she has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another. Force may also be used to prevent the commission of a felony involving the use of force. Any person who uses a gun in self-defense has immunity from criminal and civil law.

 

[TSwizzle]

Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, was also in the apartment and, according to the lawsuit, shot at officers when they attempted to enter without announcing themselves.

Uh-oh.

 

[Trausti]

No-knock raids are inherently risky. Constitutional but obviously controversial. They are allowed to prevent the destruction of evidence. This is nothing about race. Everything isn't about race.

 

[ZiprHead]

No-knock raids are inherently risky. Constitutional but obviously controversial. They are allowed to prevent the destruction of evidence. This is nothing about race. Everything isn't about race.

In this case, there could be no destruction of evidence since they were seeking a person.

 

[Trausti]

No-knock raids are inherently risky. Constitutional but obviously controversial. They are allowed to prevent the destruction of evidence. This is nothing about race. Everything isn't about race.

In this case, there could be no destruction of evidence since they were seeking a person.

Family of Louisville woman killed by police in her apartment hires lawyer

Police have said the officers were serving a search warrant as part of a narcotics investigation, but no drugs were found at the home.

Not to say the police didn't screw up here. But this is not a racial issue.

 

[Trausti]

A false tip, fraudulent warrant, no-knock raid — and two innocents dead

According to the indictment, a drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple on Jan. 28 was based on lies from start to finish, which should alarm anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment protects Americans from unreasonable searches.

The indictment says the no-knock raid at 7815 Harding St. — which found no evidence of drug dealing but set off an exchange of gunfire that killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas — was based on a false tip and a fraudulent search warrant affidavit. The Department of Justice says Gerald Goines, a narcotics officer who retired in March after 34 years with the Houston Police Department, invented a heroin purchase by a nonexistent confidential informant.

The police officers.

Those who were killed in the no-knock raid.

The controversy over no-knock raids has nothing to do with race.

 

[ZiprHead]

Family of Louisville woman killed by police in her apartment hires lawyer

Police have said the officers were serving a search warrant as part of a narcotics investigation, but no drugs were found at the home.

Not to say the police didn't screw up here. But this is not a racial issue.

I thought they were seeking a person that was already in custody. But yeah, if it was for narcotics.

 

[Derec]

So, will the usual suspects defend these incompetent, racist police?

Given that they raided the wrong house, I can give you incompetence, but why "racist"? There is no evidence that the police here were "racist". I guess that's your go-to explanation for everything.

 

[laughing dog]

A false tip, fraudulent warrant, no-knock raid — and two innocents dead

According to the indictment, a drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple on Jan. 28 was based on lies from start to finish, which should alarm anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment protects Americans from unreasonable searches.

The indictment says the no-knock raid at 7815 Harding St. — which found no evidence of drug dealing but set off an exchange of gunfire that killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas — was based on a false tip and a fraudulent search warrant affidavit. The Department of Justice says Gerald Goines, a narcotics officer who retired in March after 34 years with the Houston Police Department, invented a heroin purchase by a nonexistent confidential informant.

The police officers.

Those who were killed in the no-knock raid.

The controversy over no-knock raids has nothing to do with race.

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

 

[Trausti]

A false tip, fraudulent warrant, no-knock raid — and two innocents dead

According to the indictment, a drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple on Jan. 28 was based on lies from start to finish, which should alarm anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment protects Americans from unreasonable searches.

The indictment says the no-knock raid at 7815 Harding St. — which found no evidence of drug dealing but set off an exchange of gunfire that killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas — was based on a false tip and a fraudulent search warrant affidavit. The Department of Justice says Gerald Goines, a narcotics officer who retired in March after 34 years with the Houston Police Department, invented a heroin purchase by a nonexistent confidential informant.

The police officers.

Those who were killed in the no-knock raid.

The controversy over no-knock raids has nothing to do with race.

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

When all you have is a hammer . . . .

 

[Derec]

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

What evidence is there that it was?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

After the raid, Acevedo described Tuttle and Nicholas’ home as a locally notorious “drug house” and “problem location.” He even claimed the couple’s neighbors, who publicly contested that description, had thanked police for raiding the house.

To this day, Acevedo erroneously insists that “we had a reason to be in that house” based on “probable cause.” He calls the officers who killed Tuttle and Nicholas “heroes.”

The language of Acevedo sound like anyone else we know in politics?

And why is another no-knock raid being brought up? The OP is in Lousiville.

 

[laughing dog]

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

When all you have is a hammer . . . .

When that hammer is reason and reading comprehension, it is pretty effective. Try it some time.

 

[laughing dog]

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

What evidence is there that it was?

Don't yet if there is evidence of racism or if there is evidence of no racism. My obvious point to literate is that arguing the general issue of the problem(s) of no-knock warrants does not involve racism is not really relevant to a specific instance.

 

[Derec]

Don't yet if there is evidence of racism or if there is evidence of no racism.

And yet southernhybrid assumed it was. The point we were making is that just because it was a no knock raid does not mean it was racism. The original positive claim was that it was racism, not that we know it wasn't.
In other words, you were objecting to the wrong poster. As usual.

 

[laughing dog]

Don't yet if there is evidence of racism or if there is evidence of no racism.

And yet southernhybrid assumed it was. The point we were making is that just because it was a no knock raid does not mean it was racism. The original positive claim was that it was racism, not that we know it wasn't.
In other words, you were objecting to the wrong poster. As usual.

A Trausti's argument could not possible show that there was no racism. southernhybrid did not argue that a no knock warrant was racist. Perhaps she has more evidence to support her view that these police are racist. Perhaps she does not. I don't know.

So, as usual, your response is based on a lack of reading comprehension and reason.

 

[Toni]

In general, yes. Does not mean that race was not an issue in this specific raid.

When all you have is a hammer . . . .

You kill a lot of innocent people, a disproportionate number of whom are black. And then you get the racists apologists saying that white people get killed and more black people kill other black people than white people kill black people as if that's the issue. As if most of the white people who are killed are not killed by other white people but a bunch of white people are so scared of getting killed by black people that they bleat like sheep when armed officers gun down 12 year olds playing in the park.

Hammer away Trausti.

 

[Toni]

A false tip, fraudulent warrant, no-knock raid — and two innocents dead

According to the indictment, a drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple on Jan. 28 was based on lies from start to finish, which should alarm anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment protects Americans from unreasonable searches.

The indictment says the no-knock raid at 7815 Harding St. — which found no evidence of drug dealing but set off an exchange of gunfire that killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas — was based on a false tip and a fraudulent search warrant affidavit. The Department of Justice says Gerald Goines, a narcotics officer who retired in March after 34 years with the Houston Police Department, invented a heroin purchase by a nonexistent confidential informant.

The police officers.

Those who were killed in the no-knock raid.

The controversy over no-knock raids has nothing to do with race.

Did you read the article you posted?

White victims = cops brought up on charges, presumably without a huge outcry from other white people because people do tend to assume white people have a right to be in their own apartments at night. The retired cop who started this entire fiasco may spend the rest of his life in jail and he didn't even shoot those killed in the raid in your link.

I don't remember you or Derec or Loren combing through the nets to see if the victims in this shooting happen to have an old shoplifting conviction from their teen years.....