Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[Toni]

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training.

He was in the school activity shooting. Sniper? What?

Yes--a professionally trained sharp shooter = sniper, who would have the best chance of stopping the gunman, rather than accidentally shooting more children or teachers.

My cousin was trained as a sniper in Viet Nam.

Yeah, in the video games, there are many fewer innocent bystanders where ricocheting bullets are flying through walls. In the real world, more bullets means even more risk of more dead.

Right? I'm not talking video games, bro. My cousins were in Viet Nam. One trained as a sniper---in other words, as a marksman. FWIW, it did not do him much good as far as how he was mentally when he came home. Being a sniper in a video game is one thing. Knowing that you are shooting to kill someone, however much they need to be stopped, that's a whole different ball of wax. People train for that--SWAT teams. Maybe that's what I should have written, SWAT team, but in that small town, I have no idea how long it would take to get a SWAT team in place. A trained sniper, that would be much easier. Lots of people with guns in TX. Some of them are even really good shots.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Uh-huh....sure. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. No one is being fooled here. No one NEEDS an AR-15. Or a high powered magazine. Or BODY armor. Or bullets that explode upon entry.

What would it have mattered what gun this guy had? He went into a soft target knowing there’d be no resistance. Shit. Knife attacks in East Asia kill more.

It is sad how shitty the arguments are for allowing 18 year olds to buy semi-automatic weapons. It is down right depressing that they are compelling for some. Even after nearly 20 children were massacred.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training.

He was in the school activity shooting. Sniper? What?

Yes--a professionally trained sharp shooter = sniper, who would have the best chance of stopping the gunman, rather than accidentally shooting more children or teachers.

My cousin was trained as a sniper in Viet Nam.

Yeah, in the video games, there are many fewer innocent bystanders where ricocheting bullets are flying through walls. In the real world, more bullets means even more risk of more dead.

Right? I'm not talking video games, bro.

Yes, I was offering an aside and support, not claiming otherwise. In general, most men know gun battle tactics from video games, and they delude themselves into thinking they have a damn clue what it is really like in a real world scenario.

 

[TSwizzle]

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

I frequently hear about how cops put their lives on the line anytime they do something as innocuous as a traffic stop and yet here are the keystone cops dicking around outside, messing with distraught parents. All part of the jobs worth "procedures" I expect.

 

[Toni]

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

I frequently hear about how cops put their lives on the line anytime they do something as innocuous as a traffic stop and yet here are the keystone cops dicking around outside, messing with distraught parents. All part of the jobs worth "procedures" I expect.

Again, one officer was shot trying to stop the gunman. I honestly do get the hesitancy of going in when there are a LOT of children present. One needs to be very, very certain of what one is doing in such situations. Very few police officers are trained to engage in a firefight, particularly with children present. Very few police officers have training and qualifications as sharpshooters/snipers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

According to the article I presume Trausti didn't bother to read, the first two officers on site were injured by the shooter. The remainder of the article contains zero information regarding the timeline of what the police did or didn't do. But that won't stop Trausti from calling the police cowards. I know he would have propped on his MAGA hat, and stormed into the school and torn the shooter limb by limb.

 

[TomC]

I frequently hear about how cops put their lives on the line anytime they do something as innocuous as a traffic stop and yet here are the keystone cops dicking around outside, messing with distraught parents. All part of the jobs worth "procedures" I expect.

This looks like a seriously douchebag response.

It's like blaming the lifeguard at a beach for messing up when a tsunami hit.
Tom

 

[TSwizzle]

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

I frequently hear about how cops put their lives on the line anytime they do something as innocuous as a traffic stop and yet here are the keystone cops dicking around outside, messing with distraught parents. All part of the jobs worth "procedures" I expect.

Again, one officer was shot trying to stop the gunman. I honestly do get the hesitancy of going in when there are a LOT of children present. One needs to be very, very certain of what one is doing in such situations. Very few police officers are trained to engage in a firefight, particularly with children present. Very few police officers have training and qualifications as sharpshooters/snipers.

I disagree with that assertion. Enough was known about the situation, a lone gunman was in a classroom shooting children. Desperate times calls for desperate measures. I'm pretty sure just about any of the parent would not hesitate to get in there and try to stop it. Wouldn't you?

 

[ZiprHead]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training. Difficult situation, gunman armed with semiautomatic weapons, school full of children. I would not like to be the officer whose stray bullet struck an 8 year old.

I will be curious to know why the armed resource officer did NOT stop him from gaining entry to the building. That is my biggest question.

The resource officer was shot and injured. The perp had body armor the resource officer's pistol fire could not penetrate.

 

[TomC]

I'm pretty sure just about any of the parent would not hesitate to get in there and try to stop it.

Not smart ones.

It might feel like the right thing to do. But lots of incredibly stupid things feel right at the time. Rushing a gunman in a school your kid is in is a recipe for disaster.

It might not be as viscerally satisfying, but if keeping your kid safe is your top priority vote against our stupid gun laws. Sue the dealers. Whatever. Dumbasses waiting until the last minute to act aren't helping anybody.
Tom

 

[Toni]

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

I frequently hear about how cops put their lives on the line anytime they do something as innocuous as a traffic stop and yet here are the keystone cops dicking around outside, messing with distraught parents. All part of the jobs worth "procedures" I expect.

Again, one officer was shot trying to stop the gunman. I honestly do get the hesitancy of going in when there are a LOT of children present. One needs to be very, very certain of what one is doing in such situations. Very few police officers are trained to engage in a firefight, particularly with children present. Very few police officers have training and qualifications as sharpshooters/snipers.

I disagree with that assertion. Enough was known about the situation, a lone gunman was in a classroom shooting children. Desperate times calls for desperate measures. I'm pretty sure just about any of the parent would not hesitate to get in there and try to stop it. Wouldn't you?

Really? You think that just anyone who had access to a gun and the guts to rush in could take down someone armed with a semi-automatic weapon and wearing body armor? And not shoot more children and adults?

You watch too many movies and play too many video games.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Again, one officer was shot trying to stop the gunman. I honestly do get the hesitancy of going in when there are a LOT of children present. One needs to be very, very certain of what one is doing in such situations. Very few police officers are trained to engage in a firefight, particularly with children present. Very few police officers have training and qualifications as sharpshooters/snipers.

I disagree with that assertion. Enough was known about the situation, a lone gunman was in a classroom shooting children. Desperate times calls for desperate measures. I'm pretty sure just about any of the parent would not hesitate to get in there and try to stop it. Wouldn't you?

Actually desperate times call for reasoned and trained for measures. What the fuck is a desperate measure with a gunman in a locked down school? A dozen officers rushing the school with guns blazing?!

All the rooms would be locked. Which one is he in again? As a reminder, there are no indicators showing you the location of the bad guy in real life. And with all the rooms locked down, how can you just tell which one has the shooter... I mean you can look in the door window (assuming there is one), and ... well, you were just killed. Is that a desperate measure?

Oh, was there one shooter or two? Do we know there is just one shooter? Can't look that up online yet.

The sense that some people consider their knowledge and capabilities of that of a god in high intensity situations is really indicative of the delusions some people suffer from.

 

[TSwizzle]

Really? You think that just anyone who had access to a gun and the guts to rush in could take down someone armed with a semi-automatic weapon and wearing body armor?

I think it is possible. Why would it be impossible? If my kid was in there and I had a gun, I'd be willing to put my life on the line. Unlike some it appears.

And not shoot more children and adults?

It's a risk but as a parent I believe it is a risk worth taking rather than waiting for the inevitable room full of dead children.

You watch too many movies and play too many video games.

I NEVER play video games and I hardly ever watch movies and that has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Toni]

Really? You think that just anyone who had access to a gun and the guts to rush in could take down someone armed with a semi-automatic weapon and wearing body armor?

I think it is possible. Why would it be impossible? If my kid was in there and I had a gun, I'd be willing to put my life on the line. Unlike some it appears.

And not shoot more children and adults?

It's a risk but as a parent I believe it is a risk worth taking rather than waiting for the inevitable room full of dead children.

You watch too many movies and play too many video games.

I NEVER play video games and I hardly ever watch movies and that has nothing to do with anything.

I’d be willing to put my life on the line as well, my kid or not.

That would not be my concern. My concern would be if my aim were not good enough to get a head shot—he was wearing body armor and had already downed one officer. Only a skilled marksman should go into such a situation.

I’d be extremely worried about any of my shots hitting a child. Only an idiot would not. I’m a lot of things but I am not an idiot when it comes to safety of other people’s children.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Really? You think that just anyone who had access to a gun and the guts to rush in could take down someone armed with a semi-automatic weapon and wearing body armor?

I think it is possible. Why would it be impossible? If my kid was in there and I had a gun, I'd be willing to put my life on the line. Unlike some it appears.

Man, you talk big.

And not shoot more children and adults?

It's a risk but as a parent I believe it is a risk worth taking rather than waiting for the inevitable room full of dead children.

So not only are you willing to put your life on the line, but you are willing to risk you killing children too, because it is "worth it".

You watch too many movies and play too many video games.

I NEVER play video games and I hardly ever watch movies and that has nothing to do with anything.

Well then, unless you've actually trained for such situations, it would seem you have 0% reason to be inserting yourself into a life or death situation of countless children. I mean, if a nuclear power plant is melting down, are you rushing in there because desperate times call for desperate measures? Or should I say reckless. I mean, boy, would the police just love to have you and maybe a couple other big talkers walking around the school, as they need to assess if each of you gun carrying people to see if you are a good guy or whether they should drop you, instead of trying to find the actual shooter.

 

[TomC]

I think it is possible. Why would it be impossible? If my kid was in there and I had a gun, I'd be willing to put my life on the line. Unlike some it appears.

If you went rushing in there it wouldn't be just your life you are endangering. It would be everyone involved's lives.

If you pulled a gun and went rushing into that situation I'd have no problem with a cop shooting you.
You're a danger. You're a gunman.
Tom

 

[blastula]

Police should know more than what they've revealed by now, but they keep being very evasive about what they did.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*outside Elementary School in Uvalde, TX, active shooter inside*

*TSwizzle running towards the school*
TSwizzle: All we need is someone with a gun! I have a gun!
*people cheering as he storms into the school*

 

[TSwizzle]

I’d be willing to put my life on the line as well, my kid or not.

That would not be my concern. My concern would be if my aim were not good enough to get a head shot—he was wearing body armor and had already downed one officer.

I'd be worried about a lot of things but nothing would prevent me from trying to save my own kid and the rest of the people trapped in there.

Only a skilled marksman should go into such a situation.

Rubbish. You keep making excuses for standing by and letting a massacre occur.

I’d be extremely worried about any of my shots hitting a child. Only an idiot would not. I’m a lot of things but I am not an idiot when it comes to safety of other people’s children.

That's fine, it's not for you but don't deny other people the opportunity to take action.

 

[blastula]

Since I made myself watch this, you have to too.