Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[ZiprHead]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

 

[Playball40]

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.

The vast majority of guns used in crime are handguns, not military style rifles. Military rifles are simply too hard to conceal, while they are common in mass shootings they are a tiny fraction of gun crime overall. And mass shootings are less than 1% of murders.

Great. Then ban them. there is no need for them in any civilized society.

 

[Playball40]

You know the biggest problem with these massacres. The threads are always in Politics. Somehow, school mass shootings (or mass shootings in general), have become a "political issue". Things have radicalized so much for right-wingers, that any discussion regarding how to prevent school mass shootings, becomes a political one. Not personal. It is obscene!

I don't particularly worry about a mass shooting at my daughter's school. I worry that if her school doesn't have one, that means a score of other parents are doomed to suffer from one. We have reached a repugnant equilibrium where these events are just treated as fait accompli.

I'm so glad my youngest two are graduating this week.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

And the Police can kiss my ass on that one. Yeah, they are under-prepared to deal with an assailant with a semi-automatic weapon. Yet, these fucktards keep supporting the GOP and quite strongly, who help make it so people can storm into schools (or whatever mass shooting location du jour) with semi-automatic weapons.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Trausti]

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.

The vast majority of guns used in crime are handguns, not military style rifles. Military rifles are simply too hard to conceal, while they are common in mass shootings they are a tiny fraction of gun crime overall. And mass shootings are less than 1% of murders.

Great. Then ban them. there is no need for them in any civilized society.

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.

The vast majority of guns used in crime are handguns, not military style rifles. Military rifles are simply too hard to conceal, while they are common in mass shootings they are a tiny fraction of gun crime overall. And mass shootings are less than 1% of murders.

Great. Then ban them. there is no need for them in any civilized society.

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

 

[ZiprHead]

You know the biggest problem with these massacres. The threads are always in Politics. Somehow, school mass shootings (or mass shootings in general), have become a "political issue". Things have radicalized so much for right-wingers, that any discussion regarding how to prevent school mass shootings, becomes a political one. Not personal. It is obscene!

I don't particularly worry about a mass shooting at my daughter's school. I worry that if her school doesn't have one, that means a score of other parents are doomed to suffer from one. We have reached a repugnant equilibrium where these events are just treated as fait accompli.

I'm so glad my youngest two are graduating this week.

Still time enough for them to die in their school.

 

[Trausti]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

 

[Trausti]

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.

The vast majority of guns used in crime are handguns, not military style rifles. Military rifles are simply too hard to conceal, while they are common in mass shootings they are a tiny fraction of gun crime overall. And mass shootings are less than 1% of murders.

Great. Then ban them. there is no need for them in any civilized society.

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

 

[Toni]

the lesson is that being a bully has zero consequence and you can escalate as much as you want.
the lesson is that you have no options within the existing system to stop bullying and so your only recourse is to go outside the system.

I've lived in the US all my life and I've never found any of that to be even a little bit true.

Going to school that's exactly what I saw--no meaningful consequences for the bullies. Victims quickly learned to shut up about it as the system was powerless to do anything about it. Including the police--while they could arrest the bullies they would just be released back to their parents. If the parents didn't care nothing would happen--and of course the parents liked their kids being top dog, not understanding what would happen when they turned 18.

Or parents are in denial. Or parents are so….caught up in their own personal lives, often involving substance abuse and violence against each other and kids that it just is not within them to even notice what is going on with their kids.

Or neither school nor parents are able to obtain effective mental health resources for the bully who is also seriously mentally ill ( this is unusual for a serious mental health issue to be involved—but it does happen) and the school refuses to enact common sense measures such as separating bully from preferred target by moving to a different class or moving lockers or changing seating assignments to create a buffer.

These are all issues we dealt with when one of our kids was the target of some extremely nasty stuff and serious threats of violence. It’s a small enough place that we knew enough about the home life of one of the bullies to know he was acting out the violence he endured at home. It takes a lot in our town to be charged with child abuse but his dad managed. The other kid had serious mental health issues. There is very scant resources for mental health care in our area, particularly for children and adolescents. The parents wanted to mainstream their son, but he was not safe around other kids. Kept threatening to set fires….I’m genuinely not certain what happened to him after that school year. The other boy whose father beat him seriously enough that the law got involved ended up doing time. Sadly. Both boys were quite intelligent. The one who was beaten was very handsome and a gifted athlete with understandably extreme anger issues that intereferred with him having much success in anything in school. He never made a team—too violent, no support at home.

This is not to say that adults are powerless. One of our kids went through a period of several years when they attracted more than their share of bullying behavior. In the middle part of this time period was one year when they had a wonderful teacher for one class. She was soft spoken and small in stature and endlessly kind—and did not put up with crap. That one class in the day set the tone that carried throughout the school day/year: no significant bullying instances that year. I wish she could be cloned.

Adults CAN set a tone that is not domineering but insists that everyone is treated with respect. Unfortunately a lot of teachers are too overwhelmed by their duties, their own emotional needs and throw up their hands. A handful are bullies themselves.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

 

[Playball40]

But the problem in the US isn't population density, which is much worse in many other developed countries than in the US. It is the easy availability of guns, especially military style weapons that lend themselves to mass murder, and extremely lax regulation on gun ownership. That is an American thing.

The vast majority of guns used in crime are handguns, not military style rifles. Military rifles are simply too hard to conceal, while they are common in mass shootings they are a tiny fraction of gun crime overall. And mass shootings are less than 1% of murders.

Great. Then ban them. there is no need for them in any civilized society.

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

Ban militarized weaponry. It can be done. Make the penalty for being caught with one immediate and severe. Drugs are not an equivalent comparison as people taking drugs do it to themselves and not harming other (but that is a different discussion and has nothing to do with banning guns). People buying military grade weaponry have ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for it. None. Zero.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

Wow... I didn't realize we were in the presence of the manliest man who risks life and limb at a moments notice.

*awe*

 

[Playball40]

You know the biggest problem with these massacres. The threads are always in Politics. Somehow, school mass shootings (or mass shootings in general), have become a "political issue". Things have radicalized so much for right-wingers, that any discussion regarding how to prevent school mass shootings, becomes a political one. Not personal. It is obscene!

I don't particularly worry about a mass shooting at my daughter's school. I worry that if her school doesn't have one, that means a score of other parents are doomed to suffer from one. We have reached a repugnant equilibrium where these events are just treated as fait accompli.

I'm so glad my youngest two are graduating this week.

Still time enough for them to die in their school.

Not really. Seniors last day was last week.

 

[Trausti]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

 

[Playball40]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

 

[Trausti]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

Wow... I didn't realize we were in the presence of the manliest man who risks life and limb at a moments notice.

*awe*

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

 

[ZiprHead]

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

No, but they would fade away over time, especially if it was made illegal to resell previous legally purchased SA firearms. It would also make illegal purchases far more expensive.

 

[Trausti]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.