Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[ZiprHead]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

 

[Toni]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.

They are if they are semi-automatic.

 

[Trausti]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

 

[Playball40]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.

If they are rapid fire, they are. Sorry. If you cannot "hunt" without a rapid fire magazine, you shouldn't hunt. I'm over trying to be 'reasonable' on this issue.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Toni]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training. Difficult situation, gunman armed with semiautomatic weapons, school full of children. I would not like to be the officer whose stray bullet struck an 8 year old.

 

[TomC]

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

Texas has invented the perfect work around.

Let people sue for legal behavior if they don't like the outcome, and forbid countersuit.
If all the families of the folks at that school had license to sue anybody involved in getting a gun to the shooter, from the dealer who sold it to the manufacturer, things would change. No laws needed.
Tom

 

[Playball40]

 

[Trausti]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.

If they are rapid fire, they are. Sorry. If you cannot "hunt" without a rapid fire magazine, you shouldn't hunt. I'm over trying to be 'reasonable' on this issue.

Machine guns are already illegal.

 

[Playball40]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training. Difficult situation, gunman armed with semiautomatic weapons, school full of children. I would not like to be the officer whose stray bullet struck an 8 year old.

I will be curious to know why the armed resource officer did NOT stop him from gaining entry to the building. That is my biggest question.

 

[Playball40]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.

If they are rapid fire, they are. Sorry. If you cannot "hunt" without a rapid fire magazine, you shouldn't hunt. I'm over trying to be 'reasonable' on this issue.

Machine guns are already illegal.

Uh-huh....sure. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. No one is being fooled here. No one NEEDS an AR-15. Or a high powered magazine. Or BODY armor. Or bullets that explode upon entry.

 

[Trausti]

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training.

He was in the school activity shooting. Sniper? What?

 

[Trausti]

And drugs. Once the government makes them illegal there’ll be no more drugs.

We are talking homicides. Drugs would be a good parallel if talking suicide by guns.

If people were using drugs to kill other people intentionally, the FBI and police would be all over it, trying to stop it.

And finally, this teen purchased this at a store. Had he needed to go 'elsewhere' it'd been harder to get what he wanted.

You missed there point there, Jimmy.

It wasn't a particularly well made point. It could justify legalizing murder. Get rid of the drinking age because of under aged drinking?

Guns aren't disappearing if we make sales of semi-automatics very difficult. But that doesn't mean we should just not put any barrier in front of a prospective mass killer.

I didn’t say there shouldn’t be a barrier. I’d suggest that gun purchases be 21+. Though, they may not be constItutional. But I’d strongly oppose punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few crazies.

NO ONE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY NEEDS MILITARIZED WEAPONRY. PERIOD.

A handgun and rifle are not military weapons.

If they are rapid fire, they are. Sorry. If you cannot "hunt" without a rapid fire magazine, you shouldn't hunt. I'm over trying to be 'reasonable' on this issue.

Machine guns are already illegal.

Uh-huh....sure. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. No one is being fooled here. No one NEEDS an AR-15. Or a high powered magazine. Or BODY armor. Or bullets that explode upon entry.

What would it have mattered what gun this guy had? He went into a soft target knowing there’d be no resistance. Shit. Knife attacks in East Asia kill more.

 

[Toni]

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training.

He was in the school activity shooting. Sniper? What?

Yes--a professionally trained sharp shooter = sniper, who would have the best chance of stopping the gunman, rather than accidentally shooting more children or teachers.

My cousin was trained as a sniper in Viet Nam.

 

[Toni]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training. Difficult situation, gunman armed with semiautomatic weapons, school full of children. I would not like to be the officer whose stray bullet struck an 8 year old.

I will be curious to know why the armed resource officer did NOT stop him from gaining entry to the building. That is my biggest question.

The resource officer was shot by the assailant. I don't know if he survived or did not.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

A mass shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and two adults dead, adding to a gruesome series of mass killings in America.

apnews.com

They weren’t unprepared. They were cowards. They wanted to do the easy stuff and appear to be doing something.

Wow... I didn't realize we were in the presence of the manliest man who risks life and limb at a moments notice.

*awe*

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there?

I have absolutely no idea. And neither do you. I do know that handling such situations requires substantial and continual training.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training.

He was in the school activity shooting. Sniper? What?

Yes--a professionally trained sharp shooter = sniper, who would have the best chance of stopping the gunman, rather than accidentally shooting more children or teachers.

My cousin was trained as a sniper in Viet Nam.

Yeah, in the video games, there are many fewer innocent bystanders where ricocheting bullets are flying through walls. In the real world, more bullets means even more risk of more dead.

 

[Toni]

I'm posting a link to the WaPo constructed timeline. I am relatively certain it is behind a paywall but in my experience, if you cut/paste the link into an anonymous browser, you should be able to read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/reconstruction-timeline-uvalde-school-shooting/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36f0caf%2F628fa3cd956121755a91cf52%2F59765bfe9bbc0f6826b49396%2F9%2F72%2F628fa3cd956121755a91cf52

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So if you were armed and outside a school where kids were being killed you’d just . . . stand there? It’s true we don’t know how we’d react until we’re actually facing peril, but come on. Perhaps this is why it was the border patrol, and not the local cops, who took him out.

It was actually four BP officers who took out the gunman.

Right. Not the local cops. They were all afraid to enter, apparently. My guess, highly conjectural, is that not much happens in Uvalde. So these cops really were befuddled on what to do.

Or they were ordered to wait for other resources, such as someone with sniper training. Difficult situation, gunman armed with semiautomatic weapons, school full of children. I would not like to be the officer whose stray bullet struck an 8 year old.

I will be curious to know why the armed resource officer did NOT stop him from gaining entry to the building. That is my biggest question.

The resource officer was shot by the assailant. I don't know if he survived or did not.

My understanding is only two adults died, and they were the teaching duo.

Makes me think of the Secretary at my daughter's school. She isn't the Secretary, she is the first line of defense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm posting a link to the WaPo constructed timeline. I am relatively certain it is behind a paywall but in my experience, if you cut/paste the link into an anonymous browser, you should be able to read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/reconstruction-timeline-uvalde-school-shooting/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36f0caf%2F628fa3cd956121755a91cf52%2F59765bfe9bbc0f6826b49396%2F9%2F72%2F628fa3cd956121755a91cf52

Gifted link to article.