Russian Invasion of Ukraine - tactics and logistics

[Elixir]

You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.

Or you can earn a modest stipend just for playing along with Putler’s lies on the internet, like @barbos does.
Not bad work, if you can get it. Just watch a bunch of American television until you’re somewhat fluent, then troll away.

 

[Harry Bosch]

You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.

Or you can earn a modest stipend just for playing along with Putler’s lies on the internet, like @barbos does.
Not bad work, if you can get it. Just watch a bunch of American television until you’re somewhat fluent, then troll away.

We'll never know for sure. However, I'm believing more and more that Barbos's beliefs constitute a majority of what Russians believe. I don't think that he's only sprouting his creed to get paid. There are a few right wing russian bloggers that sprout the same nonsense. And they also express outrage at the Russian military failures also. They wouldn't be mocking the ineffectiveness of Russian tactics if they were simply following Putin's directives. I don't think that this war will end when Putin dies someday or is deposed. I think that the remaining Russians in Russia (the ones with brains have left) want war. I don't think that they care if their economy worsens. I say this because I don't think that everyone in the west is preparing for the long war that the Russians are. I really don't think that the Russians will stop until they can't continue getting new military weapons. They aren't going to run out of conscripts. We have to find a way to choke off what is funding their war: oil and gas.

 

[Elixir]

I don't think that everyone in the west is preparing for the long war that the Russians are.

No doubt about that!
Americans have already mostly moved on, and have come to blame Biden for every ill effect of Putler’s war. Russians are a lot more pain-tolerant than Murkins, even if all else was equal.
Not that it matters, but I don’t find our shill expressing outrage, or even acknowledging, the abysmal failures of the supposedly great red army.

 

[bilby]

You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.

Or you can earn a modest stipend just for playing along with Putler’s lies on the internet, like @barbos does.
Not bad work, if you can get it. Just watch a bunch of American television until you’re somewhat fluent, then troll away.

We'll never know for sure. However, I'm believing more and more that Barbos's beliefs constitute a majority of what Russians believe. I don't think that he's only sprouting his creed to get paid. There are a few right wing russian bloggers that sprout the same nonsense. And they also express outrage at the Russian military failures also. They wouldn't be mocking the ineffectiveness of Russian tactics if they were simply following Putin's directives. I don't think that this war will end when Putin dies someday or is deposed. I think that the remaining Russians in Russia (the ones with brains have left) want war. I don't think that they care if their economy worsens. I say this because I don't think that everyone in the west is preparing for the long war that the Russians are. I really don't think that the Russians will stop until they can't continue getting new military weapons. They aren't going to run out of conscripts. We have to find a way to choke off what is funding their war: oil and gas.

We found it in the 1950s.

It turns out that fact resistant humans have enough influence to effectively block access to cheap, reliable and abundant energy.

Their dystopian dream of a civilisation that uses almost no energy is one that few are prepared to attempt; And their plan to get reliable energy from intermittent and diffuse sources founders on its detachment from reality. So we are left depending on Russians and Arabs to help us destroy our atmosphere while powering our civilisation.

The solution to this is obvious. The science, technology and engineering elements have been done, and the only barriers to implementing it at any time in the last sixty years have been political ones - people don’t wanna. Because they believe things that aren’t true.

 

[Patooka]

I say this because I don't think that everyone in the west is preparing for the long war that the Russians are.

I mentioned this before, but public sentiment isn't really necessary for the west's involvement. Weapons companies can just call up the politicians that they own and ensure the purchasing of gear goes through. Unfortunately public opinion doesn't matter much when it comes to how governments decide foreign policy.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russians are a lot more pain-tolerant than Murkins, even if all else was equal.

I think it's more they aren't allowed to express their pain.

 

[Copernicus]

...The solution to this is obvious. The science, technology and engineering elements have been done, and the only barriers to implementing it at any time in the last sixty years have been political ones - people don’t wanna. Because they believe things that aren’t true.

Don't forget practical--actually doing the implementation. Sometimes implementation is very expensive and slow to become widely available. The political inertia isn't just because people believe things that aren't true. They also want to do what past generations have done and kick the can down the road. They don't want to make radical changes to their style of living that don't have immediate results. Very often those changes can cause severe economic disruption. Let subsequent generations deal with the problem.

 

[bilby]

...The solution to this is obvious. The science, technology and engineering elements have been done, and the only barriers to implementing it at any time in the last sixty years have been political ones - people don’t wanna. Because they believe things that aren’t true.

Don't forget practical--actually doing the implementation. Sometimes implementation is very expensive and slow to become widely available. The political inertia isn't just because people believe things that aren't true. They also want to do what past generations have done and kick the can down the road. They don't want to make radical changes to their style of living that don't have immediate results. Very often those changes can cause severe economic disruption. Let subsequent generations deal with the problem.

There’s no practical difficulty in building a nuclear power plant in forty or fifty months - it’s been done. It’s usually much slower, but again, that’s a political problem, not a practical one. Indeed, it should easily be possible to halve (or better) the 39 month record for construction, if we were mass producing reasonable numbers of the things, and not reinventing the wheel for each new project.

France took about a decade to convert their entire electricity generation from fossil fuel to nuclear (plus some hydropower), and that was with 1980s technology and techniques. Any similarly advanced nation today could repeat (or improve upon) that feat. But we don’t wanna. Because people believe things that aren’t true.

 

[barbos]

Funny how "Ukrainian propaganda" turns out to be true 99% of the time

You must be kidding.
having said that, lets assume video is correct and omitted context is irrelevant. What exactly is your problem with that?
Seriously what? Russian forces just took over a large city, bunch of motherfuckers decided to make a provocation and take a video. Fine, has anybody died? NO!
What is your fucking problem? Where have you been when these nazis burned bunch of pro-russian protesters in Odessa in 2014? They are all dead!
Whereas these assholes are all alive and if you ask me, I am amazed how restrained these russian soldiers are. The fact these pro-nazi degenerates decided that it would be safe to protest is a testament to that. Had russian police shoot dead few of them on camera it would have served well against such provocation in the future.

I remember a lot of videos of "ukrainians" confronting russian "invaders" and your stupid reaction to it saying how brave these ukrainians are. Of course they are brave because that scam knows that russians will not shoot them dead like ukro-nazis do.

I have already mentioned stories about ukrainians who left Mariupol before shit happened. How they were saying "Russia this, russia that". Then they came back and people who stayed in the city explained to them that it was ukrainian army killing civilians, not russians. And explanation involved some beating I understand.
It's one thing to be beaten educated by invaders and quite another when your neighbors doing the beating.
Sorry man, your propaganda garbage is not popular in Eastern Ukraine.

2014 Odesa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile some american critters are getting real info.
Here is a plan Russia will find interesting.

A Proposed Peace Plan to End the Russo-Ukrainian War

Ukraine’s negotiating position will weaken as the war drags on. Here is a fifteen-point peace plan to end the Russo-Ukrainian War.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Jayjay]

You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.

Or you can earn a modest stipend just for playing along with Putler’s lies on the internet, like @barbos does.
Not bad work, if you can get it. Just watch a bunch of American television until you’re somewhat fluent, then troll away.

Nope. This is far too niche a forum to attract anyone working for money. The audience is too small. For the real pros, all you have to do is search Twitter for "Ukraine" or other applicable keywords.

 

[Jayjay]

You can enrich your self and be hailed a hero.

Or you can earn a modest stipend just for playing along with Putler’s lies on the internet, like @barbos does.
Not bad work, if you can get it. Just watch a bunch of American television until you’re somewhat fluent, then troll away.

We'll never know for sure. However, I'm believing more and more that Barbos's beliefs constitute a majority of what Russians believe. I don't think that he's only sprouting his creed to get paid. There are a few right wing russian bloggers that sprout the same nonsense. And they also express outrage at the Russian military failures also. They wouldn't be mocking the ineffectiveness of Russian tactics if they were simply following Putin's directives. I don't think that this war will end when Putin dies someday or is deposed. I think that the remaining Russians in Russia (the ones with brains have left) want war. I don't think that they care if their economy worsens. I say this because I don't think that everyone in the west is preparing for the long war that the Russians are. I really don't think that the Russians will stop until they can't continue getting new military weapons. They aren't going to run out of conscripts. We have to find a way to choke off what is funding their war: oil and gas.

That's tricky, because sanctions seem to be just pushing up oil and gas prices, which means that even if Russia is selling less, it will make more money per gallon. And there is no way to force India or China to join the sanction, on the contrary, they have a strong incentive to buy cheap(er) energy from Russia when Europe doesn't.

EU could not agree on oil and gas sanctions, and probably won't try again. Cutting off gas would be more effective than cutting crude oil, because oil can be shipped more easily with tankers, but Germany doesn't have the guts to make that call. And now it seems that Russia has cut the delivery of gas to EU to half on the pretext of "maintenance", although the real reason might be to prevent countries from replenishing their reserves.

I think Europe should've cut off the gas in the first month of the war, and bet on their reserves lasting enough for Russia to blink. Or even better, they shouldn't have become so dependent on Russian gas supplies in the first place. As for oil, the next best thing is to target shipping by banning all Russian vessels or companies who transport Russian crude oil anywhere in the world.

 

[Jayjay]

Funny how "Ukrainian propaganda" turns out to be true 99% of the time

You must be kidding.

Exaggerating at most. The ukrainian propaganda is far more effective than Russian one because it's mostly true. Russian propaganda on the other hand seems to be based on obvious lies, like "nazis staged Bucha massacre". In Russia, people believe it, because that's all you're being fed by the state-owned media, and even if some of you don't, that's the regime's way of telling that they can get away with anything.

In free countries, with free press, facts get checked and lies get exposed. That's why even propagandists have to be mindful of what they say. Ukraine surely omits details like casualties or failures, but whatever it does say, is pretty much accurate. They don't fake footage and then get caught doing so like Russia.

having said that, lets assume video is correct and omitted context is irrelevant. What exactly is your problem with that?
Seriously what? Russian forces just took over a large city, bunch of motherfuckers decided to make a provocation and take a video. Fine, has anybody died? NO!

The point is that the locals didn't want Russia there. They still don't. Even the half the people in "people's republics" of Donetsk and Luhansk, who have been brainwashed for several years, didn't want to be part of Russia.

What is your fucking problem? Where have you been when these nazis burned bunch of pro-russian protesters in Odessa in 2014? They are all dead!

The Odessa union building fire was a tragic accident. But keep in mind that it was instigated by a pro-Russian (or maybe a Russian agent?) "protester" firing at crowds the previous day. He's now still a free man, having received asylum in Russia.

The pro-Maidan people went to burn down the anti-Maidan protest tents, probably with no intention to kill anyone, though some assholes may have wanted violence. But when the protesters fled inside the building, someone used molotov cocktail to set it on fire. It's utterly condemnable, on both sides (apparently the anti-Maidan people were shooting from the rooftop), but eye witnesses say that the pro-Maidan people helped get some people who were trapped in the building to get out. It's clear that the whole group wasn't out there to murder everyone.

This unfortunate incident has been blown beyond all proportion in Russian propaganda. It in no way justifies any kind of invasion or occupation.

Whereas these assholes are all alive and if you ask me, I am amazed how restrained these russian soldiers are. The fact these pro-nazi degenerates decided that it would be safe to protest is a testament to that. Had russian police shoot dead few of them on camera it would have served well against such provocation in the future.

I remember a lot of videos of "ukrainians" confronting russian "invaders" and your stupid reaction to it saying how brave these ukrainians are. Of course they are brave because that scam knows that russians will not shoot them dead like ukro-nazis do.

I guess that the fact that they're not protesting anymore proves that the Russians are shooting them dead if they do?

You can't have it both ways... if they don't protest, you say that's because they love Russia, and if they do protest, then you claim that's because they know Russia won't shoot them (even if they obviously do, they just do it in the shadows).

And drop the nazi bullshit. You have no evidence that even a single person in any of the Kherson protests was a nazi. And the term "Ukro-nazi" is something that's only used by Russian propagandists.

I have already mentioned stories about ukrainians who left Mariupol before shit happened. How they were saying "Russia this, russia that". Then they came back and people who stayed in the city explained to them that it was ukrainian army killing civilians, not russians. And explanation involved some beating I understand.
It's one thing to be beaten educated by invaders and quite another when your neighbors doing the beating.
Sorry man, your propaganda garbage is not popular in Eastern Ukraine.

So your "proof" of people's love for Russia is that anyone who says the truth gets a beating? To me it seems that just makes my point. It makes no difference whether the beatings come from Russian forces, or the collaborators and agents who they employ.

That is, if the whole story isn't completely made up, like Russian propaganda usually is.

Meanwhile some american critters are getting real info.
Here is a plan Russia will find interesting.

A Proposed Peace Plan to End the Russo-Ukrainian War

Ukraine’s negotiating position will weaken as the war drags on. Here is a fifteen-point peace plan to end the Russo-Ukrainian War.

nationalinterest.org

An utterly lopsided agreement that would only guarantee another war in a few years. But even then, it has points that Russia would never agree to, such as withdrawing troops from Kherson and Zhaporizhia, or an internationally monitored referendum on the status of Donbas.

However, the point isn't for west to force a peace. The point is that Ukraine needs to make that call because it's their people being killed and their land being occupied. It won't work any other way, whatever the eventual terms are.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Funny how "Ukrainian propaganda" turns out to be true 99% of the time

You must be kidding.
having said that, lets assume video is correct and omitted context is irrelevant. What exactly is your problem with that?
Seriously what? Russian forces just took over a large city, bunch of motherfuckers decided to make a provocation and take a video. Fine, has anybody died? NO!
What is your fucking problem? Where have you been when these nazis burned bunch of pro-russian protesters in Odessa in 2014? They are all dead!
Whereas these assholes are all alive and if you ask me, I am amazed how restrained these russian soldiers are. The fact these pro-nazi degenerates decided that it would be safe to protest is a testament to that. Had russian police shoot dead few of them on camera it would have served well against such provocation in the future.

I remember a lot of videos of "ukrainians" confronting russian "invaders" and your stupid reaction to it saying how brave these ukrainians are. Of course they are brave because that scam knows that russians will not shoot them dead like ukro-nazis do.

I have already mentioned stories about ukrainians who left Mariupol before shit happened. How they were saying "Russia this, russia that". Then they came back and people who stayed in the city explained to them that it was ukrainian army killing civilians, not russians. And explanation involved some beating I understand.
It's one thing to be beaten educated by invaders and quite another when your neighbors doing the beating.
Sorry man, your propaganda garbage is not popular in Eastern Ukraine.

2014 Odesa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile some american critters are getting real info.
Here is a plan Russia will find interesting.

A Proposed Peace Plan to End the Russo-Ukrainian War

Ukraine’s negotiating position will weaken as the war drags on. Here is a fifteen-point peace plan to end the Russo-Ukrainian War.

nationalinterest.org

The problem with the "agreed upon peace plan" above is the sections requiring to Ukraine to disarm. This would require them trusting Russia to not invade again! How is that possible? Russian word is shit. Putin has zero credibility and deserves zero trust. I'm open to any possible compromise that would stop this war and encourage invaders to return to their home. But any compromise needs to be agreed upon by the Ukrainians. They are the ones brave enough to fight the Russians and are doing all the suffering. The world owes a great debt to Ukraine for blunting the Russian invasion and destroying so much of their offensive capability. I'm absolutely certain that if Russia had rapidly conquered Ukraine as it intended, that they would have attacked Poland, Baltic states and other states that they want back.

 

[barbos]

Old video from an american mercenary in Ukraine:

«It's a fuc...ng trap»: Американский наемник разочарован приемом на Украине

В сети появилось видео с откровениями американского наемника, которому с трудом удалось вырваться из Украины.

mo.tsargrad.tv

 

[barbos]

The problem with the "agreed upon peace plan" above is the sections requiring to Ukraine to disarm. This would require them trusting Russia to not invade again! How is that possible? Russian word is shit.

I can assure you that Russia will invade Ukraine again if they try to arm themselves again.
And it is your word which is shit. You promised not to expand NATO to the East!
And Putin promised to invade if necessary in 2008. He is a man of his word

 

[Patooka]

I can assure you that Russia will invade Ukraine again

Sleep it off, barbos. You can't invade a country again if you are still in the process of unjustly invading it still.

 

[barbos]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

 

[barbos]

that even if Russia is selling less, it will make more money per gallon

I understand Russia makes more money in total, not just obviously per barrel.

 

[Patooka]

Another misfortune, russian calibers missiles hit ukrainian command post...... during busy office hours brain storming - 50 high ranking officers including generals dead.
Russian news wrote it a little bit ambiguous , it could be understood as if 50 generals were killed. I suppose russian generals looked at apparent score and decided we need to even it and so they did.

Yeah, but I heard the new AS7-D Atlas mechs that Ukraine received from the EU are tearing up Russian armour left right and centre.

I'm mean, if you are going to live in fantasy, you might as well go all the way. (Fun fact - the AS7 was designed by Alexander Kerensky )

 

[barbos]

I am sorry, but it is you who is living in fantasy.