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New "Forward" Party: a third party in America that might actually work?

The Democrats ARE the middle ground. The "radical fringe" of the Democrat party want green energy and have a dozen or so seats in the House.
If you mean the so-called "Green New Deal", that is not about green energy. Most Dems want green energy. GND is about using green language to push $100T in spending on leftist boondoggles such as federal jobs guarantees.
The fringe of the Democratic Party also wants things like defunding/abolishing police and so-called "reparations".

Absolutely not. Our nation has evolved into a two party state, and third parties have come and gone (about as fast as they come). The only third parties to survive were ones that were transformations of an earlier party.
Greens and Libertarians have been around for a while. But they are just treading water.
 
Obviously, liberal "extremists" want women to have control over their own bodies
No, that would be libertarian "extremists". So-called liberals want to grant woman control over their own bodies only on the issue where they agree with exercising said choice, not on other issues one might want a right to choose.
 
For all practical purposes, there's no such thing as a third party. Any political system which has an executive elected by a general vote will evolve into a two party system.
That is not true. The real reason why third parties are not viable is the "first past the post" system with single member districts in state legislatures and House of Representatives. A proportional system, where a minor party would get the seats commensurate with their share of votes would make minor parties viable, even if they would not (at least not regularly) challenge for chief executive.

This system would be a great improvement over what we have now, but also over the parliamentary system. In a parliamentary system, the executive is elected by the legislative. That means the government can ram through everything they want as long as the legislators stay on board. If the government fails in passing a major law, the government usually collapses.
On the other hand in the US, president is independently elected, but the chambers of the Congress are controlled by either his party or the other one. If he does not control both chambers, there can be paralysis.

Enter proportional representation in the House, with independently elected president (push through popular vote since we are reforming the system). It would be very unlikely under that system that either party would control the House outright. So the president is unlikely to have his party control the House - he will have to deal with minor parties to pass legislation or get stuff approved - but neither will one party be able to block everything.
There will be a knock-on effect. The parties will now be viable to have actual power and influence and voting for them in House elections will no longer be a wasted vote. So they will get more support, more money and could challenge things like Senate seats, governorships and - if both parties put forward unpopular candidates like they did in 2016 - even the presidency.

In US politics, anyone who can't find a comfortable seat in either of the main parties is relegated to the "I'd rather be right than exercise any influence over anything" party.
That is true. But it has to do with the medieval FPTP/single member district system rather than electing the president independently.
 
It doesn't. The only chance of change is a vigorous progressive caucus within the Democratic party that can guarantee victory over the reactionary and not sane GOP
The only thing a strong fauxgressive caucus would do is make Democrats more extremely left. So you have two extreme parties.

And more people want a savage reaction to the GOP moderate Democrats cannot seem to offer.
Are we talking gulags or what?
 
In today's US, the Democrats are distinctly right of centre,
Party of AOC, Presley, Omar, Bowman, Bush et al is "right of centre[sic]"? LMAO!
Even Biden has been pulled to the Left by the Squad and the Progressive[sic] Caucus. The B3 plan was just a slightly watered down Bernie's $6T Spendapalooza.
 
If the government fails in passing a major law, the government usually collapses.
That's a feature, not a bug.

If the branches of government disagree with each other, it's an election now, to get the peoples' views. Rather than having to wait until the arbitrary end of a term in office before asking the voters what they want.
 
In today's US, the Democrats are distinctly right of centre,
Party of AOC, Presley, Omar, Bowman, Bush et al is "right of centre[sic]"? LMAO!
Even Biden has been pulled to the Left by the Squad and the Progressive[sic] Caucus. The B3 plan was just a slightly watered down Bernie's $6T Spendapalooza.
Yup.

They're left of you, but that leaves plenty of room before you get anywhere near the centre.
 
Yup.
They're left of you, but that leaves plenty of room before you get anywhere near the centre.
LMAO. Sgt. Sandy, her squad and her commanding officer Colonel Sanders all admit to being Socialists.
 
That's a feature, not a bug.
Tell that to the Israelis. :) Or Italians for that matter.

I do not think that's a feature. Either a government is stable and can get through anything it wants or you have new elections. No in between.

Some friction is good, without requiring so much friction everything comes to a screeching halt.

Hence my idea of an independently elected executive as we have now, but a proportionally elected House with multiple parties where a single party can't neither ram everything through nor can it block everything.
I think the filibuster in the Senate was meant to provide this partial friction, but it has been abused as is now a millstone around the neck of the Senate.

If the branches of government disagree with each other, it's an election now, to get the peoples' views. Rather than having to wait until the arbitrary end of a term in office before asking the voters what they want.
The voters were asked. Instead of asking them over and over again, there needs to be a way for government to function without either paralysis nor the government being able to ram everything through with opposition being there just to look on (tyranny of the majority). I think my system would provide some balance.
 
There are LOTS of parties in the US, always referred to as 'third parties' basically because who could keep track of all the parties and which are active, which are viable, which are relevant, etc. Here's the wiki:

Looking at that list of parties you do not seem to have any fun parties.
You sceptics need to get creative.
For decades the UK had the Monster Raving Loony Party with Lord Screaming Sutch as its head.
In Australia we have had the Party, Party Party and the Sun Ripened Tomato Party.

Think a bold and catchy name.
 
Yup.
They're left of you, but that leaves plenty of room before you get anywhere near the centre.
LMAO. Sgt. Sandy, her squad and her commanding officer Colonel Sanders all admit to being Socialists.
"Admit"? LMAO. Being a Socialist is something to be proud of. And they wish they were, but they're all centre right, trying to promote the 'centre' part, and pretending it's 'left'.
 
I think the filibuster in the Senate was meant to provide this partial friction, but it has been abused
Yeah, I quite like the idea of a filibuster, because it requires genuine belief, to the point of being prepared to stand up all night, to block something.

But the modern fake 'filibuster', that just needs a senator to declare intent, without having to back it up with action at least to the point of standing and talking ad nauseam, is far too easy.

Make the fuckers prove their dedication by talking for a couple of days with only a handful of breaks, and see how few of them really give enough fucks.
 
About the most specific things they seem to be advocating are ranked-choice voting, open primaries, "the end of gerrymandering," and nationwide protection of voting rights.
None of which are achievable unless and until they gain significant power under the current system; And none of which are ever going to be desirable to any party which gains significant power under the current system.

In the unlikely event that they were ever to be in a position to enact these changes, they would no longer want to do so.
With the exception of nationwide protection of voting rights all of these issues are the province if state governments, which makes them 50 times harder...
 
In today's US, the Democrats are distinctly right of centre,
Party of AOC, Presley, Omar, Bowman, Bush et al is "right of centre[sic]"? LMAO!
Even Biden has been pulled to the Left by the Squad and the Progressive[sic] Caucus. The B3 plan was just a slightly watered down Bernie's $6T Spendapalooza.
Yup.

They're left of you, but that leaves plenty of room before you get anywhere near the centre.
Do you really think that there is a secret group of millions of Americans who are left of AOC and Bush? If your claim that Bush is a moderate, then there are a 100 million Americans left of her? I'd love to see your evidence of this. I don't see any exit polls or polls period that support this. It's a dangerous belief because it gave us Bush Jr. The left thought that Nader would capture this mystic group of lefties who had never voted before in 1980. Exit polls after the 80 election showed that most of Nader's voters were democrats. Some were republicans. Very few were first time voters to the left.

Having said that, I'm glad that AOC is in my party. I don't agree with everything that she believes in. But I like her. She's very smart. I'm more conservative that she is. But I recognize that we need a big tent to beat the right wing. My issue here is that I'd be very suspicious that there is the great mythical group of lefties itching to vote and impact the election.
 
In today's US, the Democrats are distinctly right of centre,
Party of AOC, Presley, Omar, Bowman, Bush et al is "right of centre[sic]"? LMAO!

What dictionary are you misusing such that an attribute of X, Y, Z is an attribute of "the Party of X, Y, Z"?

Hastert, Gaetz and Trump have all committed sexual felonies. Would you write "The party of Hastert, Gaetz and Trump is the party of sexual felons"?
 
Yup.
They're left of you, but that leaves plenty of room before you get anywhere near the centre.
LMAO. Sgt. Sandy, her squad and her commanding officer Colonel Sanders all admit to being Socialists.
"Admit"? LMAO. Being a Socialist is something to be proud of. And they wish they were, but they're all centre right, trying to promote the 'centre' part, and pretending it's 'left'.
With respect, I don't agree here either. Democrats lost non college educated whites a long time ago. But we're lately also losing white suburban women and the Latino vote. If this trend continues, we're in deep kimo. I think that the primary driver here is economics and safety. IMO, The people promoting socialism tend to be those in comfortable financial situations. Latinos and suburbanites struggling to get ahead and get their children ahead aren't advocating for socialism! Just the opposite! They want economic policies that expand the economy and allow more opportunity. There are numerous links that support my theory:


If you want to piss off moderates, preach socialism and defund the police. If we want to get the moderates, promote policies of economic empowerment and expansion, inflation control, more opportunity, safety, and etc.
 
That's a feature, not a bug.
Tell that to the Israelis. :) Or Italians for that matter.

I do not think that's a feature. Either a government is stable and can get through anything it wants or you have new elections. No in between.

Some friction is good, without requiring so much friction everything comes to a screeching halt.

Hence my idea of an independently elected executive as we have now, but a proportionally elected House with multiple parties where a single party can't neither ram everything through nor can it block everything.
I think the filibuster in the Senate was meant to provide this partial friction, but it has been abused as is now a millstone around the neck of the Senate.

If the branches of government disagree with each other, it's an election now, to get the peoples' views. Rather than having to wait until the arbitrary end of a term in office before asking the voters what they want.
The voters were asked. Instead of asking them over and over again, there needs to be a way for government to function without either paralysis nor the government being able to ram everything through with opposition being there just to look on (tyranny of the majority). I think my system would provide some balance.
I don't think the filibuster necessarily needs to be removed. But they do need to change the rules back to the original when if you wanted to filibuster, you actually had to show up, stand up and talk for as long as you wanted to filibuster. Nowadays, all you have to do is threaten to filibuster like a 3 year old threatening to hold his breath and you can simply stop all legislation.
 
Do you really think that there is a secret group of millions of Americans who are left of AOC and Bush?
No.

I strongly suspect that there are precious few Americans on the left at all.

But Americans aren't the world.

This may shock many Americans.
Gotcha. I misinterpreted your post. However, this thread is about a third party in the US. Not Australia, Poland, or whatever. Yea, Americans are more right wing that many other countries. That isn't news.
 
Third parties in first-past-the-post election systems are bound to be spoilers and dwindle to nothingness after first elections when their voters realize they've been duped to help the worse party win. However, anomalies do happen so sometimes third parties might win in local elections.

If any third party is to have a future, they need to have electoral reform on their platform. Specificly, move away from FPTP to ranked-choice or proportional representation. That's the only way for them to ever win anything. Of course, if these parties are just created to sucker people into not voting one or the other party, then that's not necessary.
But if they ever get into a position to implement electoral reform, they will by definition have become beneficiaries of the status quo, and will drop that element from their platform.

The only option to bring about electoral reform is a popular uprising outside the party political system. And such uprisings have their own set of in-built problems, so the cure is often worse than the disease.

The only way to do a "third party" is to pretend to be a party - be a pseudoparty like the Tea Party.
It amounts to a caucus, but if you call it a party you might get some people that don't want to be democrats even though they would vote for them at least sometimes.
Form an alliance of convenience to the major party for national votes, and recruit from within just by becoming a needed element for major Party success. Probably has to start at the local level.
 
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