DeSantis Flies Immigrants to Martha Vineyard

[Jimmy Higgins]

*DeSantis puts needle on record*

We don't... care... about. a. refugee.
We don't give a fuck about refugees.

 

[ZiprHead]

*DeSantis puts needle on record*

We don't... care... about. a. refugee.
We don't give a fuck about refugees.

Down with the Moral Majority

 

[Ford]

I ahve to agree in priciple.

The border situaion is insane and out of control. There is no way to provide suport on such a scale, yet democrts do nothing, VP Harris siad 'the border is secure;. A this point my only conclusion is that the democrats want an iflux of non whites to cnage the power balance.

Yexas and the pole living on the borer are going throuh a lot of pain with the endless flood.

The last governor of Ca said on national TV that Ca welomes illegal immigrants.

I am not a conservativee, but if I were governor of Texas I'd be dumping immigrants in democratic cities to make a point. The illegal immigrants are very much being dumpoed on Texas.

Stating te obvious. If yiu are qustioning what Texas and Florida re doing what are you not questioning the border policy which the left seems to want as is. The policy at the root of the issues.

You may not be conservative, but it appears you've bought the conservative narrative that the border was just hunky dory until Biden became President and implemented an "open borders" policy, effectively removing any impediments from crossing said border. To hear the right wing tell it, the mighty wall has been torn down, the checkpoints are unmanned, and the Border Patrol is no longer allowed to intercept migrants, but instead are spending their days watching "woke" Disney movies instead of doing their jobs.

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built? I might agree he did shit about actually getting his wall built. But I would not agree that he ever made any statements against wanting to build it.

Who can genuinely tell what Trump wants apart from fame, money, and endless praise?

As for what he said, you can make a list of things he said he wanted to do, but did shit about actually doing them. He was going to "lock her up," remember? Hillary was the most crooked criminal in the world in 2016, and he basked in chants of "lock her up," sold "Hillary for Prison 2016" merch, and yet when he actually got in the White House, he didn't try to pin so much as a parking ticket on her.

He promised a "big, beautiful" healthcare plan that would not only replace Obamacare, but would be so wonderful that people would marvel at the savings! He said it was coming within weeks. Nothing ever materialized, because he did nothing to make it happen.

Speaking of weeks, remember Infrastructure Week? It became a running joke among liberals because - again - he promised great things but never lifted a finger.

And yes, the "big, beautiful" wall that Mexico was going to pay for. By now it should be dawning on you that Trump would simply say anything if it got him fame, money, and endless praise. He was likely telling aides "did you hear that? They were chanting lock her up! They love me!" and then he'd demand a hamburger and the list of the next people he'd be golfing with. "And get Hannity on the phone, I have some ideas for tonight's show!"

It was all for show.

 

[Arctish]

From ZiprHead's inlined tweet: The smoking gun in Martha's Vineyard - by Judd Legum

Popular Information has obtained documentary evidence that migrants from Venezuela were provided with false information to convince them to board flights chartered by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R). The documents suggest that the flights were not just a callous political stunt but potentially a crime.

... But many of the migrants told reporters that they were misled about the nature of the flights. Several migrants told NPR they were told the flight was going to Boston, not Martha's Vineyard. According to the migrants, a woman who identified herself as Perla also said that, if they traveled to Boston, they could receive "expedited work papers."

Seems like fraud. However, "DeSantis has been adamant that the migrants were not misled."

Popular Information, however, has obtained a brochure that was provided to the migrants who ultimately agreed to the flights. It was provided to Popular Information by Lawyers for Civil Rights (LCR), a Boston-based legal organization that represents 30 of the migrants. The brochure says that migrants who arrive in Massachusetts will be eligible for numerous benefits, including "8 months cash assistance," "assistance with housing," "food," "clothing," "transportation to job interviews," "job training," "job placement," "registering children for school," "assistance applying for Social Security cards," and many other benefits.

None of this, however, is true.

...
The brochure, which is crudely designed to resemble a government document, does not explain that these benefits described are only available to specially designated refugees.

According to some of the migrants, the benefits described in the brochure were also promised verbally by Perla to lure them onto the planes chartered by DeSantis. “[T]hey told us that they were going to help us with the rent, to get a job, that was the only option left to us,” one migrant, Eduardo Linares, told the Texas Tribune. (Linares ultimately declined to board the flight.)

The brochure - regardless of who made it - clearly states in English and Spanish that it is for refugees. And the programs listed are legit.

The legitimacy of the brochure is not in question. Its use as a means of luring asylum seekers onto an aircraft with false promises is at issue. The victims were first told that they were going to Boston, but they were told during the flight that they were going to Martha's Vineyard. When the plane landed, the people who had lured them onto the plane disappeared. This is why:

Lawyers representing migrants dumped on Martha's Vineyard want Florida Gov. DeSantis criminally investigated over the 'stunt'​

DeSantis himself, like Trump, is essentially above the law, but they can go after the people his administration hired to carry out the fraud.

So was this illegal or not? Is there a federal law that says illegals can not be transported across state lines? And if so, what would be the purpose of such a law? To cut down on human slave trading?

This was obviously a political stunt. But why couldn't DeSantis just use the same kind of excuses the Democrats would use. Why doesn't he make the claim he is attempting to bring diversity to Martha's Vineyard? Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

First of all, the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard aren't illegals. They followed proper channels when they reported to the nearest immigration office upon entry to this country and requested legal immigration status, something they were granted on a temporary basis while their applications are being processed.

If they had been illegals the the laws against human trafficking would definitely apply. Since they are migrants who were deliberately misled for political gain, the laws against kidnapping apply while the human trafficking laws might not. Either way, there is convincing evidence De Santis knowingly and deliberately committed a crime. I hope the rule of law is upheld and De Santis will be arrested and prosecuted.

The residents of Martha's Vineyard provided food, shelter, help with legal matters, etc. to the needy on extremely short notice. They should be lauded, especially by those who call themselves Christians, but probably won't be by anyone who would vote for De Santis.

 

[jonatha]

Just asking at this point because Im not sure what I read is true or not anymore

It's a start...

 

[Derec]

First of all, the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard aren't illegals. They followed proper channels when they reported to the nearest immigration office upon entry to this country and requested legal immigration status, something they were granted on a temporary basis while their applications are being processed.

This just shows that the current asylum system is hopelessly broken. Since anybody can make bogus asylum claims, it in effect legalizes illegals. Even if they are here not because of any government persecution, but because they "want a better life", which is not grounds for asylum.

 

[Derec]

Hypocrisy with a dose of racism thrown in for good measure. "Send them back to Africa" - where have we heard that before? Derec is anything but subtle.

Bullshit, as always. Rwanda was used as an example because of a real plan in Europe.
Just because there is an African country mentioned, does not make it "racism".

 

[Derec]

It doesn't. You have a right to hold and express any opinion you see fit. And likewise, others are free to point out that many of your posts stink of racism and hypocrisy.

There is no racism. There is no hypocrisy.
And the only stink is that of your own faulty reasoning.

 

[Derec]

It is a national problem. Anyone with a functioning brain understands this, Because there is no consensus at the national level or even with the two major political parties, there is no stable or coherent national policy.

It should properly be a national problem. However, many cities and some states have been meddling into the national problem by declaring themselves a "sanctuary" for illegals.

That is not the root cause. The root cause is that life in the USA is much better and/or safer than it is in the countries of the immigrants.

So you are admitting that they are economic migrants and not legitimate asylum seekers?

 

[Derec]

What you are missing is that political troubles lead to economic troubles. Yes, they are coming from places with trashed economies--but that doesn't mean they aren't targets also.

Where is the evidence that they are "targets"? When it becomes common knowledge every illegal can claim "asylum" and get to stay in the US for years (at least, as it is difficult to deport illegals even if their case is rejected) then vast majority of asylum claims will be bogus.

That's what happened in Europe starting about a decade ago and reaching its peak in 2015. Every mass migrant illegally streaming onto the continent is now claiming "asylum", no matter their background, because they know that means they cannot be deported until many court hearings and appeals opportunities.

 

[Derec]

What you are missing is that the majority of illegals are overstays, not people who sneaked across the border.

Do you have any unbiased source stating that? And recent one too, because currently the numbers of arrivals through the southern border is astronomical.

You want to stop illegal immigration, you will need to prohibit people from entering the US. Including crews of vessels. That's why I'm saying it would destroy our economy.

Bullshit. That is a false dichotomy between closing off the country and accepting all these illegals. We should enforce our existing immigration laws and fix laws that do not work in the modern world (asylum, birthright citizenship for anyone except permanent legal residents).

As you say, monitored and patrolled. Any idea what it would take to patrol that border? Hint: You would not like the price tag one bit.

It would be widely preferable to what we have now - wide open borders and millions of illegals (incl. bogus asylum seekers) streaming through.

The problem is it would come at a huge cost for a small benefit.

I disagree. Fixing the problem of illegal immigration would be a huge benefit.

Can you say "identity theft"? Until we can solve that all you'll accomplish is to bring pain for citizens.

So what is your "solution"? Just not do anything and let millions of illegals just be? And for how long? Until US becomes yet another Spanish-speaking Latin American country? Which I think is the goal of the Left.

No, we recognize that it's a situation where the cure is worse than the disease and we recognize that much of the driving force is racism anyway.

Bullshit! You just support unrestricted mass migration. I oppose it. And calling people who disagree with you "racist" is a low tactic besides.

 

[Copernicus]

First of all, the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard aren't illegals. They followed proper channels when they reported to the nearest immigration office upon entry to this country and requested legal immigration status, something they were granted on a temporary basis while their applications are being processed.

This just shows that the current asylum system is hopelessly broken. Since anybody can make bogus asylum claims, it in effect legalizes illegals. Even if they are here not because of any government persecution, but because they "want a better life", which is not grounds for asylum.

Rubbish. There is no evidence that any claim made by the victims was a bogus claim, nor do you cite any evidence of bogus claims by any asylum seeker. The system will evaluate the asylum claims fairly. You obviously would not.

 

[Arctish]

First of all, the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard aren't illegals. They followed proper channels when they reported to the nearest immigration office upon entry to this country and requested legal immigration status, something they were granted on a temporary basis while their applications are being processed.

This just shows that the current asylum system is hopelessly broken. Since anybody can make bogus asylum claims, it in effect legalizes illegals. Even if they are here not because of any government persecution, but because they "want a better life", which is not grounds for asylum.

That doesn't show the system is broken. In fact, it shows the system is working as intended. People seeking to immigrate have their request evaluated in immigration courts while they wait nearby. It would be nice if the evaluation happened at a quicker pace, and people were given a 'yes' or 'no' sooner, but it's important to be thorough.

Just because our immigration policies can result in outcomes you don't like doesn't mean they need to be reformed. They need to be reformed when there is a need to adapt to new trends, pressures, and issues affecting immigration. But perhaps it's time to reform our policies wrt consequences for officials who deliberately fuck up the system. It does our country genuine harm when petty tyrants like De Santis abuse people for political gain. We should want to discourage that.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[RVonse]

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

I some respects, while there was also a valid claim for damages by Saint Martha's Vineyard as well, my point is in fact that telling someone a lie to get them onto a plane and then abandoning then ANYWHERE is kidnapping and illegal trafficking. It's fraud among other things.

A crime has been committed against the refugees in the transport under false pretenses.

I think the more important thing is that these asshole Politicians abandoned refugees out of state as a stunt, and the alt-right shot some loads off in pleasure over it. They are so programmed to want the 'pwn the libs' that cruel mistreatment of people is not only fair game, but not even a second thought was given about them. Instead, their reaction is 'Boy, do you look stupid because you have more than a shred of humanity.'

But aren't the Democrats doing the exact same thing? Just asking at this point because Im not sure what I read is true or not anymore.

Immigrants are not being secretly flown into US cities

Republicans campaigning for office are running ads that hammer President Joe Biden’s management of the U.S.-Mexico borde

www.politifact.com

So you link to a story that isn't true as evidence to the contrary?

Linked to snopes type rating which is known and established left wing propoganda dissinformation. I'm inferring just from that alone it is probably based in truth.....but who knows?

 

[RVonse]

Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

Except they did show up, did support the refugees, even donated to their cause. So you are fucking wrong... again.

The national guard did not show up to transport all them off the island within 36 hours?

National Guard assisting migrants moved to Cape Cod

A bus carrying nearly 50 migrants arrived at Joint Base Cape Cod after spending 36 hours on Martha's Vineyard.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Jarhyn]

This just in: we have entered the day and age where evidence based sourced information is being used as proof of exactly the opposite of what it says because the person referencing it doesn't like what they tend to say.

 

[Elixir]

First of all, the migrants DeSantis sent to Martha's Vineyard aren't illegals. They followed proper channels when they reported to the nearest immigration office upon entry to this country and requested legal immigration status, something they were granted on a temporary basis while their applications are being processed.

This just shows that the current asylum system is hopelessly broken. Since anybody can make bogus asylum claims, it in effect legalizes illegals. Even if they are here not because of any government persecution, but because they "want a better life", which is not grounds for asylum.

Rubbish. There is no evidence that any claim made by the victims was a bogus claim, nor do you cite any evidence of bogus claims by any asylum seeker. The system will evaluate the asylum claims fairly. You obviously would not.

I would recommend that Derec go abroad, then find an “illegal” way back into the US, make up a refugee story and see how easy it really is to cash in on these “handouts”.
Then just imagine if he was the wrong color and couldn’t speak English…

 

[laughing dog]

It is a national problem. Anyone with a functioning brain understands this, Because there is no consensus at the national level or even with the two major political parties, there is no stable or coherent national policy.

It should properly be a national problem. However, many cities and some states have been meddling into the national problem by declaring themselves a "sanctuary" for illegals.

From their point of view, they are solving the national problem.

So you are admitting that they are economic migrants and not legitimate asylum seekers?

Your question is based on a the fallacy of the excluded middle. One does not have to be an economic migrant to have the belief that life will be better or safer . And a legitimate seeker of asylum can also be an economic migrant. So, the logical and rational answer to your question is a simple is nope.

Bullshit, as always. Rwanda was used as an example because of a real plan in Europe.
Just because there is an African country mentioned, does not make it "racism".

True, but that real plan is racist. You made a deliberate choice to use a racist plan, a choice that is consistent with your posting history. So the conclusion is both rational and logical which means it is not bullshit.

 

[Gun Nut]

Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

Except they did show up, did support the refugees, even donated to their cause. So you are fucking wrong... again.

The national guard did not show up to transport all them off the island within 36 hours?

National Guard assisting migrants moved to Cape Cod

A bus carrying nearly 50 migrants arrived at Joint Base Cape Cod after spending 36 hours on Martha's Vineyard.

www.cbsnews.com

yes. They came to rescue them from the island, which I used to live within 20 miles from, that is a tiny tourist spot with no support facilities... and they were moved to another location within the same state where they were also welcomed with open arms, but with the services available to feed and house them.
That's "owning the libs", is it?