DeSantis Flies Immigrants to Martha Vineyard

[Jimmy Higgins]

Here is the English text in that document:

OFFICIAL CONSENT TO TRANSPORT

I, ___ born on ___, agree to be transported by the benefactor or its designated representatives to locations outside of Texes, to locations in sanctuary States.

I agree to hold the benefactor or its designated representatives harmless of all liablity arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination of Massachusetts.

The benefactor and designated officials represent that they are not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry Into the United States.

The Spanish text:

CONSENTIMIENTO OFICIAL PARA TRANSPORTACION

Yo, ___ nacido en ___, voluntarlamente consiento ser transportado por el benefactor y sus representantes a lugares fuera del estado de Texas a estados santuarios.

Entiendo que el benefactor ni sus represententes son responsables por daños o lesiones ocumidas durante el viaje a el destino final al estado santuarlo.

Firma, Fecha, Lugar de salida, Lugar de llegada, Fecha de Nacimento

El benefactor y sus representantes designados convatiden que no están proporcionando transportas a individuales que hayan entrado al país de Estados Unidos ilegalmente.

Google Translate unedited:

OFFICIAL CONSENT FOR TRANSPORTATION

I, ___ born in ___, voluntarily consent to be transported by the benefactor and his representatives to locations outside of the state of Texas to sanctuary states.

I understand that the benefactor nor his representative are responsible for damages or injuries incurred during the trip to the final destination to the sanctifying state.

Signature, Date, Place of departure, Place of arrival, Date of Birth

The benefactor and her designated representatives confirm that they are not providing transportation to individuals who have entered the United States illegally.

So it looks like the Spanish version has all of the three lines of the English version, and it seems to be a correct translation.

The problem I see with this is again that there are no agreements to make transport from Florida to a sanctuary state legal, and the waiver does not idemnify the false statements.

It's absolutely transparent that DeSantis wanted to MeToo on Abbot's stunts, and

Well played DeSantis, exposing the gross hypocrisy of the wokesters. So much clutching at pearls

assuming this was sarcasm {snip incoherent ramblings}

Sarcasm? No fella, it wasn't sarcasm. DeSantis has played a blinder and the wokesters have indeed, "gone berserk".

A: Man, that is fucking funny!
B: They took immigrants from an authoritarian nation and abandoned them in another state.
A: You are sooooo woke.

I wonder if TSwizzle would sue someone if they offered them an all expenses paid trip somewhere, and then once they were in the air were told they would be landing in central Alabama and would not be provided a return ticket.

I bet they would.

I bet they would press criminal charges.

Must mean TSwizzle is "woke".

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

 

[Angry Floof]

Well played DeSantis, exposing the gross hypocrisy of the wokesters. So much clutching at pearls

assuming this was sarcasm and you are laughing at desantis' failure.... but it's hard to tell with you... you have a... history, let's just say.
It's like there is a homeless person standing in front of me and you walk up and punch him in the face... then I say, "hey, why did you do that, that was terrible and very unchristian of you..." and I rush over to attend to his injuries you caused...
and your response is, "Iook at that lib clutching his pearls... I totally owned him"
No, you totally punched someone in the face and someone else called you out and offered the guy some help, making you look like an asshole and me like a caring human being that is an active participant in this thing we call civilized society.

As I've pointed out numerous times here (due to there being some regulars here who don't have the capacity to tell a bully from someone fighting back against a bully), right wing authoritarians can't seem to discriminate between aggressive violence and defensive violence. If you fight back against their aggressive violence and cruelty, they'll call you a hypocrite for engaging in violence against them. It's a sick pathology.

 

[Toni]

Not just any immigrant, an immigrant who habitually breaks the laws of the land and talks about it online.

Ah yes, the tired old "sex work" derail every time a Prohibitionist runs out of arguments in any thread. It usually does not happen this quickly. Congrats, I guess. Not as common as the "but Trump" derail, but still pretty common.

Oh come off that. I break the laws, you break the laws, coo-coo for cashews* and all that.

I do not get the cashews joke, but the laws against sex work are really no different than laws against gay sex. Both should have been invalidated under the logic behind Lawrence v. Texas, not just the latter.

Still, it's a phenomena of an artificially erected barrier wherein those who overcome the artificial barrier will often feel desert for having done so, superiority over those who have not, and attempt to close off opportunities behind them.

If you want to have a country, borders are essential. That does not mean no immigration, I never made that argument. But we need clear laws and policies about immigration, and we need to enforce them. Sanctuary cities/states or a president deciding he will not deport most illegals should be anathema.

I’m genuinely curious about how you feel about immigrants who smoke pot or even deal pot—should those offenses be overlooked? Especially given the push to legalize pot in jurisdictions where it is still illegal? What about other illegal drugs? Again, there is a push, with many of the same types of arguments about decriminalizing most recreational drugs.

One could make similar arguments about decriminalizing sex work and decriminalizing recreational drugs.

What is your take?

 

[Jarhyn]

Not just any immigrant, an immigrant who habitually breaks the laws of the land and talks about it online.

Ah yes, the tired old "sex work" derail every time a Prohibitionist runs out of arguments in any thread. It usually does not happen this quickly. Congrats, I guess. Not as common as the "but Trump" derail, but still pretty common.

Oh come off that. I break the laws, you break the laws, coo-coo for cashews* and all that.

I do not get the cashews joke, but the laws against sex work are really no different than laws against gay sex. Both should have been invalidated under the logic behind Lawrence v. Texas, not just the latter.

Still, it's a phenomena of an artificially erected barrier wherein those who overcome the artificial barrier will often feel desert for having done so, superiority over those who have not, and attempt to close off opportunities behind them.

If you want to have a country, borders are essential. That does not mean no immigration, I never made that argument. But we need clear laws and policies about immigration, and we need to enforce them. Sanctuary cities/states or a president deciding he will not deport most illegals should be anathema.

I’m genuinely curious is how you feel about immigrants who smoke pot or even deal pot—should those offenses be overlooked? Especially given the push to legalize pot in jurisdictions where it is still illegal? What about other illegal drugs? Again, there is a push, with many of the same types of arguments about decriminalizing most recreational drugs.

I'm absolutely mystified that Derec is unable to get a joke whose punchline was spoiled behind a spoiler.

 

[Jarhyn]

Here is the English text in that document:

OFFICIAL CONSENT TO TRANSPORT

I, ___ born on ___, agree to be transported by the benefactor or its designated representatives to locations outside of Texes, to locations in sanctuary States.

I agree to hold the benefactor or its designated representatives harmless of all liablity arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination of Massachusetts.

The benefactor and designated officials represent that they are not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry Into the United States.

The Spanish text:

CONSENTIMIENTO OFICIAL PARA TRANSPORTACION

Yo, ___ nacido en ___, voluntarlamente consiento ser transportado por el benefactor y sus representantes a lugares fuera del estado de Texas a estados santuarios.

Entiendo que el benefactor ni sus represententes son responsables por daños o lesiones ocumidas durante el viaje a el destino final al estado santuarlo.

Firma, Fecha, Lugar de salida, Lugar de llegada, Fecha de Nacimento

El benefactor y sus representantes designados convatiden que no están proporcionando transportas a individuales que hayan entrado al país de Estados Unidos ilegalmente.

Google Translate unedited:

OFFICIAL CONSENT FOR TRANSPORTATION

I, ___ born in ___, voluntarily consent to be transported by the benefactor and his representatives to locations outside of the state of Texas to sanctuary states.

I understand that the benefactor nor his representative are responsible for damages or injuries incurred during the trip to the final destination to the sanctifying state.

Signature, Date, Place of departure, Place of arrival, Date of Birth

The benefactor and her designated representatives confirm that they are not providing transportation to individuals who have entered the United States illegally.

So it looks like the Spanish version has all of the three lines of the English version, and it seems to be a correct translation.

The problem I see with this is again that there are no agreements to make transport from Florida to a sanctuary state legal, and the waiver does not idemnify the false statements.

It's absolutely transparent that DeSantis wanted to MeToo on Abbot's stunts, and

Well played DeSantis, exposing the gross hypocrisy of the wokesters. So much clutching at pearls

assuming this was sarcasm {snip incoherent ramblings}

Sarcasm? No fella, it wasn't sarcasm. DeSantis has played a blinder and the wokesters have indeed, "gone berserk".

A: Man, that is fucking funny!
B: They took immigrants from an authoritarian nation and abandoned them in another state.
A: You are sooooo woke.

I wonder if TSwizzle would sue someone if they offered them an all expenses paid trip somewhere, and then once they were in the air were told they would be landing in central Alabama and would not be provided a return ticket.

I bet they would.

I bet they would press criminal charges.

Must mean TSwizzle is "woke".

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

I some respects, while there was also a valid claim for damages by Saint Martha's Vineyard as well, my point is in fact that telling someone a lie to get them onto a plane and then abandoning then ANYWHERE is kidnapping and illegal trafficking. It's fraud among other things.

A crime has been committed against the refugees in the transport under false pretenses.

 

[Toni]

Not just any immigrant, an immigrant who habitually breaks the laws of the land and talks about it online.

Ah yes, the tired old "sex work" derail every time a Prohibitionist runs out of arguments in any thread. It usually does not happen this quickly. Congrats, I guess. Not as common as the "but Trump" derail, but still pretty common.

Oh come off that. I break the laws, you break the laws, coo-coo for cashews* and all that.

I do not get the cashews joke, but the laws against sex work are really no different than laws against gay sex. Both should have been invalidated under the logic behind Lawrence v. Texas, not just the latter.

Still, it's a phenomena of an artificially erected barrier wherein those who overcome the artificial barrier will often feel desert for having done so, superiority over those who have not, and attempt to close off opportunities behind them.

If you want to have a country, borders are essential. That does not mean no immigration, I never made that argument. But we need clear laws and policies about immigration, and we need to enforce them. Sanctuary cities/states or a president deciding he will not deport most illegals should be anathema.

I’m genuinely curious is how you feel about immigrants who smoke pot or even deal pot—should those offenses be overlooked? Especially given the push to legalize pot in jurisdictions where it is still illegal? What about other illegal drugs? Again, there is a push, with many of the same types of arguments about decriminalizing most recreational drugs.

I'm absolutely mystified that Derec is unable to get a joke whose punchline was spoiled behind a spoiler.

I think it just hit too close to home. Derec has been taken to task frequently about his opinions about sex work and use of sex work personally. I’ve done a lot of it myself. Derec and I will probably never agree about sex work, largely because I have a very difficult time getting past the use of coercion and under age sex workers in some instances.

Derec’s opinion ( and Derec, please correct me if I’m wrong—I don’t want to misrepresent you) is that legalization reduces both; mine is that it doesn’t. Which is a significant part of my concerns to decriminalizing recreational drugs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

I some respects, while there was also a valid claim for damages by Saint Martha's Vineyard as well, my point is in fact that telling someone a lie to get them onto a plane and then abandoning then ANYWHERE is kidnapping and illegal trafficking. It's fraud among other things.

A crime has been committed against the refugees in the transport under false pretenses.

I think the more important thing is that these asshole Politicians abandoned refugees out of state as a stunt, and the alt-right shot some loads off in pleasure over it. They are so programmed to want the 'pwn the libs' that cruel mistreatment of people is not only fair game, but not even a second thought was given about them. Instead, their reaction is 'Boy, do you look stupid because you have more than a shred of humanity.'

 

[bilby]

2)Why are there 3 English paragraphs and only two Spanish paragraphs? Were the statement translated in good faith?

3)Why is after the signatures there is a paragraph in Spanish?

I don't speak Spanish, but it looks very much like the paragraph in Spanish below the signature lines is the transition of the "missing" paragraph above.

I am not a lawyer, but I can see more than one way to argue that this "waiver" has no legal value or validity whatsoever.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

2)Why are there 3 English paragraphs and only two Spanish paragraphs? Were the statement translated in good faith?

3)Why is after the signatures there is a paragraph in Spanish?

I don't speak Spanish, but it looks very much like the paragraph in Spanish below the signature lines is the transition of the "missing" paragraph above.

I am not a lawyer, but I can see more than one way to argue that this "waiver" has no legal value or validity whatsoever.

It doesn't matter. No one is getting into trouble over this terribly unethical action. This is the New America.

 

[RVonse]

I ahve to agree in priciple.

The border situaion is insane and out of control. There is no way to provide suport on such a scale, yet democrts do nothing, VP Harris siad 'the border is secure;. A this point my only conclusion is that the democrats want an iflux of non whites to cnage the power balance.

Yexas and the pole living on the borer are going throuh a lot of pain with the endless flood.

The last governor of Ca said on national TV that Ca welomes illegal immigrants.

I am not a conservativee, but if I were governor of Texas I'd be dumping immigrants in democratic cities to make a point. The illegal immigrants are very much being dumpoed on Texas.

Stating te obvious. If yiu are qustioning what Texas and Florida re doing what are you not questioning the border policy which the left seems to want as is. The policy at the root of the issues.

You may not be conservative, but it appears you've bought the conservative narrative that the border was just hunky dory until Biden became President and implemented an "open borders" policy, effectively removing any impediments from crossing said border. To hear the right wing tell it, the mighty wall has been torn down, the checkpoints are unmanned, and the Border Patrol is no longer allowed to intercept migrants, but instead are spending their days watching "woke" Disney movies instead of doing their jobs.

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built? I might agree he did shit about actually getting his wall built. But I would not agree that he ever made any statements against wanting to build it.

 

[RVonse]

From ZiprHead's inlined tweet: The smoking gun in Martha's Vineyard - by Judd Legum

Popular Information has obtained documentary evidence that migrants from Venezuela were provided with false information to convince them to board flights chartered by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R). The documents suggest that the flights were not just a callous political stunt but potentially a crime.

... But many of the migrants told reporters that they were misled about the nature of the flights. Several migrants told NPR they were told the flight was going to Boston, not Martha's Vineyard. According to the migrants, a woman who identified herself as Perla also said that, if they traveled to Boston, they could receive "expedited work papers."

Seems like fraud. However, "DeSantis has been adamant that the migrants were not misled."

Popular Information, however, has obtained a brochure that was provided to the migrants who ultimately agreed to the flights. It was provided to Popular Information by Lawyers for Civil Rights (LCR), a Boston-based legal organization that represents 30 of the migrants. The brochure says that migrants who arrive in Massachusetts will be eligible for numerous benefits, including "8 months cash assistance," "assistance with housing," "food," "clothing," "transportation to job interviews," "job training," "job placement," "registering children for school," "assistance applying for Social Security cards," and many other benefits.

None of this, however, is true.

...
The brochure, which is crudely designed to resemble a government document, does not explain that these benefits described are only available to specially designated refugees.

According to some of the migrants, the benefits described in the brochure were also promised verbally by Perla to lure them onto the planes chartered by DeSantis. “[T]hey told us that they were going to help us with the rent, to get a job, that was the only option left to us,” one migrant, Eduardo Linares, told the Texas Tribune. (Linares ultimately declined to board the flight.)

The brochure - regardless of who made it - clearly states in English and Spanish that it is for refugees. And the programs listed are legit.

The legitimacy of the brochure is not in question. Its use as a means of luring asylum seekers onto an aircraft with false promises is at issue. The victims were first told that they were going to Boston, but they were told during the flight that they were going to Martha's Vineyard. When the plane landed, the people who had lured them onto the plane disappeared. This is why:

Lawyers representing migrants dumped on Martha's Vineyard want Florida Gov. DeSantis criminally investigated over the 'stunt'​

DeSantis himself, like Trump, is essentially above the law, but they can go after the people his administration hired to carry out the fraud.

So was this illegal or not? Is there a federal law that says illegals can not be transported across state lines? And if so, what would be the purpose of such a law? To cut down on human slave trading?

This was obviously a political stunt. But why couldn't DeSantis just use the same kind of excuses the Democrats would use. Why doesn't he make the claim he is attempting to bring diversity to Martha's Vineyard? Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

 

[RVonse]

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

I some respects, while there was also a valid claim for damages by Saint Martha's Vineyard as well, my point is in fact that telling someone a lie to get them onto a plane and then abandoning then ANYWHERE is kidnapping and illegal trafficking. It's fraud among other things.

A crime has been committed against the refugees in the transport under false pretenses.

I think the more important thing is that these asshole Politicians abandoned refugees out of state as a stunt, and the alt-right shot some loads off in pleasure over it. They are so programmed to want the 'pwn the libs' that cruel mistreatment of people is not only fair game, but not even a second thought was given about them. Instead, their reaction is 'Boy, do you look stupid because you have more than a shred of humanity.'

But aren't the Democrats doing the exact same thing? Just asking at this point because Im not sure what I read is true or not anymore.

Immigrants are not being secretly flown into US cities

Republicans campaigning for office are running ads that hammer President Joe Biden’s management of the U.S.-Mexico borde

www.politifact.com

 

[TomC]

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built?

Honestly, I don't.
It would be bad for Wall Street.

Do you think Trump is a Christian? He said he is.

I think Trump says or does whatever gets him money and attention. If it works, he'll believe it. If not, he'll claim he never said it. Or, at least, didn't mean it. And he'll believe that, regardless of the evidence.
Tom

 

[RVonse]

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built?

Honestly, I don't.
It would be bad for Wall Street.

Do you think Trump is a Christian? He said he is.

I think Trump says or does whatever gets him money and attention. If it works, he'll believe it. If not, he'll claim he never said it. Or, at least, didn't mean it. And he'll believe that, regardless of the evidence.
Tom

The main point though is that I do not believe he ever said anything about not buiding a wall. And that alone cost him political capital with liberals.

 

[bilby]

I ahve to agree in priciple.

The border situaion is insane and out of control. There is no way to provide suport on such a scale, yet democrts do nothing, VP Harris siad 'the border is secure;. A this point my only conclusion is that the democrats want an iflux of non whites to cnage the power balance.

Yexas and the pole living on the borer are going throuh a lot of pain with the endless flood.

The last governor of Ca said on national TV that Ca welomes illegal immigrants.

I am not a conservativee, but if I were governor of Texas I'd be dumping immigrants in democratic cities to make a point. The illegal immigrants are very much being dumpoed on Texas.

Stating te obvious. If yiu are qustioning what Texas and Florida re doing what are you not questioning the border policy which the left seems to want as is. The policy at the root of the issues.

You may not be conservative, but it appears you've bought the conservative narrative that the border was just hunky dory until Biden became President and implemented an "open borders" policy, effectively removing any impediments from crossing said border. To hear the right wing tell it, the mighty wall has been torn down, the checkpoints are unmanned, and the Border Patrol is no longer allowed to intercept migrants, but instead are spending their days watching "woke" Disney movies instead of doing their jobs.

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built? I might agree he did shit about actually getting his wall built. But I would not agree that he ever made any statements against wanting to build it.

Statements are easily drowned out by a cacophony of actions.

If someone has the means and the opportunity to do something, and claims that they have the motive, then if that thing doesn't happen, it should be a strong hint that they were lying about having a motive.

You didn't seriously expect him to say that he was only going through the motions in order to get votes, surely?

 

[TomC]

Are you saying that Trump did not really want a border wall built?

Honestly, I don't.
It would be bad for Wall Street.

Do you think Trump is a Christian? He said he is.

I think Trump says or does whatever gets him money and attention. If it works, he'll believe it. If not, he'll claim he never said it. Or, at least, didn't mean it. And he'll believe that, regardless of the evidence.
Tom

The main point though is that I do not believe he ever said anything about not buiding a wall. And that alone cost him political capital with liberals.

Then I don't understand why you made such a point, which I don't even recall you making.

My point is that Trump will lie about almost anything if doing so serves his immediate purposes. And zillions of people believe his lies. Lying gets him money and attention. He doesn't care how much damage he does to anyone else, including the American people.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That isn't quite paralleled, which is why I like to avoid analogies. As what happened here was that officials misled refugees into boarding transportation to go to Massachusetts, without any interest or attempt to at least tell officials in Massachusetts that these people would be coming... to Martha's Vineyard. Southern state Governors conspired to and actually did abandon refugees in Massachusetts. While some got their jollies off of this stunt... others, who apparently are "woke", were quite disturbed by it.

The "funny" part is that the people in Martha's Vineyard showed the refugees compassion and assistance that these assholes Politicians down south seem to think they aren't worth.

While the unwoke laughed their asses off, the refugees were likely terribly anxious, having been abandoned... and after all of this, perhaps learning that the Red States in America are run by sociopaths.

I some respects, while there was also a valid claim for damages by Saint Martha's Vineyard as well, my point is in fact that telling someone a lie to get them onto a plane and then abandoning then ANYWHERE is kidnapping and illegal trafficking. It's fraud among other things.

A crime has been committed against the refugees in the transport under false pretenses.

I think the more important thing is that these asshole Politicians abandoned refugees out of state as a stunt, and the alt-right shot some loads off in pleasure over it. They are so programmed to want the 'pwn the libs' that cruel mistreatment of people is not only fair game, but not even a second thought was given about them. Instead, their reaction is 'Boy, do you look stupid because you have more than a shred of humanity.'

But aren't the Democrats doing the exact same thing? Just asking at this point because Im not sure what I read is true or not anymore.

Immigrants are not being secretly flown into US cities

Republicans campaigning for office are running ads that hammer President Joe Biden’s management of the U.S.-Mexico borde

www.politifact.com

So you link to a story that isn't true as evidence to the contrary?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The legitimacy of the brochure is not in question. Its use as a means of luring asylum seekers onto an aircraft with false promises is at issue. The victims were first told that they were going to Boston, but they were told during the flight that they were going to Martha's Vineyard. When the plane landed, the people who had lured them onto the plane disappeared. This is why:

Lawyers representing migrants dumped on Martha's Vineyard want Florida Gov. DeSantis criminally investigated over the 'stunt'​

DeSantis himself, like Trump, is essentially above the law, but they can go after the people his administration hired to carry out the fraud.

So was this illegal or not?

Probably illegal, but have good enough lawyers and nothing will happen. Won't even get up to discovery.

Is there a federal law that says illegals can not be transported across state lines?

They weren't illegals. However, yes, there is likely a law against transporting illegals across state lines.

And if so, what would be the purpose of such a law? To cut down on human slave trading?

To make human trafficking against the law. Is that controversial. Fuck... I've had a bad day with things that I thought weren't controversial getting other people upset.

This was obviously a political stunt. But why couldn't DeSantis just use the same kind of excuses the Democrats would use.

What excuse... used to trick refugees into boarding transportation and to dump them elsewhere with absolutely no support at all?

Why doesn't he make the claim he is attempting to bring diversity to Martha's Vineyard?

How, by increasing the number of unannounced Venezuelan refugees? Who, I might need to remind you, because you seem to have forgotten... those refugees are actually people, human beings you know. People that fled an authoritarian country that went down the tubes. Risked life and limb to get to the US. Got to the US, and were then tricked by the GOP to board transportation with empty promises (full lies?) of assistance at the end of the line? Luckily, those locals did actually provide assistance to those in need, unlike the assholes running Texas and Florida.

Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

Except they did show up, did support the refugees, even donated to their cause. So you are fucking wrong... again.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Copernicus]

...
The brochure - regardless of who made it - clearly states in English and Spanish that it is for refugees. And the programs listed are legit.

The legitimacy of the brochure is not in question. Its use as a means of luring asylum seekers onto an aircraft with false promises is at issue. The victims were first told that they were going to Boston, but they were told during the flight that they were going to Martha's Vineyard. When the plane landed, the people who had lured them onto the plane disappeared. This is why:

Lawyers representing migrants dumped on Martha's Vineyard want Florida Gov. DeSantis criminally investigated over the 'stunt'​

DeSantis himself, like Trump, is essentially above the law, but they can go after the people his administration hired to carry out the fraud.

So was this illegal or not? Is there a federal law that says illegals can not be transported across state lines? And if so, what would be the purpose of such a law? To cut down on human slave trading?

It turns out that the legitimacy of the brochure is in question, since it was not made by the state of Massachusetts, but based on information from their web site about people who might qualify as undocumented immigrants. Unfortunately, all of the victims were in the US legally and did not qualify for those benefits. The benefits were for undocumented aliens, not people having legal status as asylum seekers. No illegals were transported across state lines, but legal asylum applicants were.

This was obviously a political stunt. But why couldn't DeSantis just use the same kind of excuses the Democrats would use. Why doesn't he make the claim he is attempting to bring diversity to Martha's Vineyard? Of all the possible places, Martha's Vineyard is probably the best place for refugees as far as service and funds that could be made available. Most of the homes of Martha's Vineyard are only 2nd vacation residences of the ultra elite who would be in a position to more than afford to help refugees if they wanted to loan out their property. After how we saw they reacted.... I guess these people are really not so commpassionate after all. DeSantis was right about them.

It is a cynical political stunt that misappropriated federal money allocated to Florida for fighting COVID. None of this is really going to hurt DeSantis's election chances, but it will help him with the MAGA crowd. Republican governors are using these people to advance their political campaigns for office, and they feel confident that they won't face any negative consequences. Scapegoating immigrants is a powerful campaign tool, and this stunt certainly helps to bury all of the bad publicity from the Supreme Court ruling that scaled back women's control over their reproductive choices.