Politics Where are you really from?

[Bomb#20]

"The late Queen's lady-in-waiting has since resigned."

There's so much nonsense going on here. That's what keeps amusing me.

How does one "resign" from being a dead Queen's "lady-in-waiting"?

Ha ha ha! The British and their affectations are funnier than the Kardashians and Trumps and other stuff I find stupid. But the Brits can do British and I'll ignore the insanity of my own country as best I can.
Tom

What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior.

Well, I am king queen's king's figurehead's dead mother's ceremonial waitress.

 

[Metaphor]

Wait - THAT’S the “non-British garb”???

Yes.

AYFKM?

No.

Wow.

And exactly what the fuck does it matter?

Do you read my posts? Seriously? Like, at all?

 

[TomC]

No, Tom. There’s a really serious and very real difference in how Black people (immigrants or not) are treated and how white immigrants are treated and how local born whites are treated.

Exactly.
Under many circumstances, this thread is just one example,
If one person is black they are the victim. If the other is white they are an oppressor.

Makes no difference what actually happened. What matters is the race.

It's as racist as can be. But it's the good kind of abject, systemic, racism.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

Rhea, I have been in Fulani's position in such exchanges hundreds of times in my life. I did not say Hussey's behaviour was anything but oblivious and rude.

Sounds like we are in agreement, then. Hussey was unconscionably rude. And that’s the end of the story.

That's the end of the story for you, not for everyone.

 

[Metaphor]

Well, I think we’ve come around to a good summation of the events.

The dead Queen’s erstwhile lady in waiting has resigned from a post that no longer exists because she was unconscionably rude in publicly interrogating a Black woman she had just met, about the woman’s immigration history, deliberately trying to get her to give information she clearly did not want to give, and Metaphor thinks she was rude and wrong to do this and it’s the Black Lady’s fault.

You didn't read my OP or any of my responses, did you?

Some of your replies came up while I was composing that. I almost edited, but figured I’d be too late. So I acknowledge your description of why you only focused on the wrongs of Fulani. It doesn’t feel like a valid reason to focus only on one, but I acknowledge that you gave what feels like a reason to you.

I am in a better position to know my own mind than you are to know my mind.

Whereas the responses from other posters seem to convey that no matter what a person is wearing, it is always rude to interrogate them and accuse them of being wrong about what they call “home”.

Rhea, I have been in Fulani's position in such exchanges hundreds of times in my life. I did not say Hussey's behaviour was anything but oblivious and rude.

I can see why you’d want that to stand alone as if it’s the main point in your contributions to this thread. But you are forced to operate in the space that you made; where Fulani’s transgressions are given front page above the fold and 30 column inches and Hussey’s are on D-25 in a single column inch underneath the legal ads. It’s not an accident that you chose this, as evidenced by your continued use.

You have conveyed:
FULANI IS WRONG WRONG WRONG
Hussey also wrong


Are you asking us to ignore this?

I have already explained why I focus on the things I do, in this thread and in general.

I knew there would not be a single person on this board who would characterise Hussey's behaviour as other than rude. And predictably, every single response that discusses the exchange has focused on Hussey's rudeness. I offered a minority report; voices of dissent are sadly lacking on this message board. But because my opinion was not in the exact measure of blaming the right people for their trespasses in the same way you would have, you instead chose to attack me.

Do you know why Hussey's voice is absent in all this? I think it is because accusations of racist microaggressions have high cultural purchase in the race-baiting Anglosphere. Hussey has not been on multiple BBC programs to tell her side because either she was not invited or she knew the judgment against her was not even a foregone conclusion; it's already happened.

And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

 

[laughing dog]

Not exactly her position: unless I am extremely wrong, you are not black. You are not descended from peoples who were stolen/kidnapped and enslaved, your ancestry stolen and obliterated, by design. AFAIK, your ancestors were not treated as livestock—less than livestock. Less than fully human.

This looks like a summation of most of the arguments on this thread.

If two people behave badly, one white and one black, it's obviously the white one who is wrong.
Because we all know what those people are like.
Tom

It is exactly snowflake straw man responses like yours that confirm your conclusions to everyone else.

 

[laughing dog]

Wait - THAT’S the “non-British garb”???

Yes.

AYFKM?

No.

Wow.

And exactly what the fuck does it matter?

Do you read my posts? Seriously? Like, at all?

A better question is do you read your posts or anyone else’s.

 

[laughing dog]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

 

[Metaphor]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

 

[Toni]

Not exactly her position: unless I am extremely wrong, you are not black. You are not descended from peoples who were stolen/kidnapped and enslaved, your ancestry stolen and obliterated, by design. AFAIK, your ancestors were not treated as livestock—less than livestock. Less than fully human.

This looks like a summation of most of the arguments on this thread.

If two people behave badly, one white and one black, it's obviously the white one who is wrong.
Because we all know what those people are like.
Tom

No.

Apparently it is not obvious that the person being racist is wrong.

At least not to everybody.

 

[TomC]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

LD does a great job of expressing the racism that Rulz, don't you think?
Tom

 

[Toni]

Wait - THAT’S the “non-British garb”???

Yes.

AYFKM?

No.

Wow.

And exactly what the fuck does it matter?

Do you read my posts? Seriously? Like, at all?

I cannot understand why it matters to you that Fulani’s dress was not stereotypically ‘British.’

Can you explain it to me in a way that doesn’t sound like racism?

 

[laughing dog]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

Not as sad as some white guy claiming he has lived the same experience as a black woman so he knows what she cannot be mistaken or confused. Really, do you read what you write?

 

[Toni]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

LD does a great job of expressing the racism that Rulz, don't you think?
Tom

Still not relevant.

 

[TomC]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

LD does a great job of expressing the racism that Rulz, don't you think?
Tom

Still not relevant.

Sorry I didn't mention you in the credit.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

LD does a great job of expressing the racism that Rulz, don't you think?
Tom

Your ironic insight are very illuminating. Every reader is truly enlightened by them.

 

[Metaphor]

I cannot understand why it matters to you that Fulani’s dress was not stereotypically ‘British.’

Can you explain it to me in a way that doesn’t sound like racism?

I've already explained. In the OP. I will quote myself:

Fulani was dressed in clothing that was obviously not of native British style or design, and even changed her name from Marlene Headley to Ngozi Fulani. She obviously wants to make a point of her non-Anglo heritage.

And then Fulani, in my opinion, deliberately missed the point when someone enquired after her obviously non-Anglo heritage.

 

[Metaphor]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

Not as sad as some white guy claiming he has lived the same experience as a black woman so he knows what she cannot be mistaken or confused. Really, do you read what you write?

No, I did not claim I had lived the life of this particular black woman, or any black woman. I claimed I have lived through the same type of exchange she reported. I've been in her position, in this context, on the 'where do you come from' conversation.

But, you knew that.

 

[laughing dog]

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And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

Wow, I didn’t realise you are a black woman.

How sad for you.

Not as sad as some white guy claiming he has lived the same experience as a black woman so he knows what she cannot be mistaken or confused. Really, do you read what you write?

No, I did not claim I had lived the life of this particular black woman, or any black woman. I claimed I have lived through the same type of exchange she reported. I've been in her position, in this context, on the 'where do you come from' conversation.

No, you claimed to be in the same position. You ought to know that because you wrote that.

Furthermore, as your mistakes, straw men and claims of omniscience indicate, exchanges in communication are viewed through the lens of personal experience.

But, you knew that.

I knew what you wrote. I know you feel you can accurately impute what must have been in people’s mind. I responded to your actual words.You are responsible for your words.

 

[Rhea]

And this particular story I resonate with. I have lived experience of being in Fulani's position. So I know there is no way she can have been confused or mistaken about what Hussey was asking her.

What does her lack of confusion have to do with determining whether she is somehow at fault for how she handled the arrogantly rude lady interrogating her about her ancestry, citizenship and identification of “from”?

So, yes, maybe she knew Hussey was being a bigoted jerk by pressing her on whether she was “really British”. How does that make her response wrong?

The response she gave is correct either way.
If she’s confused, “what? I’m from here.”
If she’s not confused and she knows Hussey is being racist, “what? I’m from here.”