Merged Where the Women Are Strong, the Men Are Good-looking, And All of the Children Are Working Second Shift at the Plant.

[Politesse]

Er, back on topic: decreasing worker protections is always evil and short-sighted, but targeting children specifically is irredeemably evil. In case people don't know, "training program", "apprenticeship", and other such words have been used by American elites as code for slavery, trafficking, and other abuses of children for longer than this country has existed.

Republicanism is a broken reed, and must be replanted at the roots if it is to be saved at all.

 

[Oleg]

decreasing worker protections is always evil and short-sighted, but targeting children specifically is irredeemably evil.

This bill doesn’t do that. The immunity to negligent acts or omissions does not apply to gross negligence or willful misconduct; which is the standard we already have for worker’s compensation. Unless there’s a provision excluding these teen employees from worker’s compensation, this is hysteria over nothing.

 

[bilby]

Love the thread title but tiny point of order: the quote was mined from Garrison Kiellor’s Prairie Home Companion set in the fictional Lake Wobegone, Minnesota.

It didn't occur to me that the reference needed explaining. But, I suppose not everyone on IIDB is as old as we are.
Tom

Nor as American.

 

[laughing dog]

decreasing worker protections is always evil and short-sighted, but targeting children specifically is irredeemably evil.

This bill doesn’t do that. The immunity to negligent acts or omissions does not apply to gross negligence or willful misconduct; which is the standard we already have for worker’s compensation. Unless there’s a provision excluding these teen employees from worker’s compensation, this is hysteria over nothing.

No, it is recognition that children merit more protection than adults.

 

[TomC]

I'm not good at internet stuff. So maybe someone else can find something.

A video clip of Candidate Trump claiming that we need to build a wall to stop illegal immigrants from taking our jobs.
I'm sure I remember that claim made more than once.
Tom

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I'm not good at internet stuff. So maybe someone else can find something.

A video clip of Candidate Trump claiming that we need to build a wall to stop illegal immigrants from taking our jobs.
I'm sure I remember that claim made more than once.
Tom

I thought he wanted the wall because Mexico was sending murderers, rapists, and Democratic voters.

 

[Toni]

Love the thread title but tiny point of order: the quote was mined from Garrison Kiellor’s Prairie Home Companion set in the fictional Lake Wobegone, Minnesota.

It didn't occur to me that the reference needed explaining. But, I suppose not everyone on IIDB is as old as we are.
Tom

Nor as American.

Do you need more for reference?

Garrison Keillor was an American humorist who wrote radio sketches centering on the fictional small town, Lake Wobegone, Minnesota, a north-Midwestern US state which was heavily settled by people from Norway, but also to a lesser extent from Norway, Germany and Poland. It is mostly rural with a lot of small towns. The humor was generally very self-deprecating, and focused on the modest, simple nature of the inhabitants, where all the women were strong, the men good looking, and the children all above average. The show was very lad back and very… Americana/nostalgic. Also quite funny abd featured a number of musical guests.

In recent years, Keillor became disgraced due to inappropriate behavior towards younger female staffers. Which was a shame, for all involved and because it pushed the end of his show.

 

[Politesse]

Also quite funny abd featured a number of musical guests.

With an Ed-Sullivan-esque flair for spotting the rising stars of the folk music world.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just "participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

Aren't drag queen story times for small children? This legislation is about teenagers. Rather disingenuous to compare the two.

Is your argument that these people would be fine with 15 year olds going to drag queen story time? or reading a book about the horrid treatment of a six year old who just wanted to go to school?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm not good at internet stuff. So maybe someone else can find something.

A video clip of Candidate Trump claiming that we need to build a wall to stop illegal immigrants from taking our jobs.
I'm sure I remember that claim made more than once.
Tom

I thought he wanted the wall because Mexico was sending murderers, rapists, and Democratic voters.

Also because Mexico was going to pay for the whole thing. It wasn't going to cost us anything to protect ourselves from all those evils.

But I've lost track of how that all worked out. Must have been wonderful.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

decreasing worker protections is always evil and short-sighted, but targeting children specifically is irredeemably evil.

This bill doesn’t do that. The immunity to negligent acts or omissions does not apply to gross negligence or willful misconduct; which is the standard we already have for worker’s compensation. Unless there’s a provision excluding these teen employees from worker’s compensation, this is hysteria over nothing.

Man, I remember us signing an agreement with the Railroad to do work on their ROW and one thing was we would be responsible for any acts of the Railroad flagman, including negligence, Our lawyer scoffed at that.

Do you realize the difference between willful misconduct and gross negligence verses the immunity regarding having minors work on dangerous machinery, where there is risk even when you do things the right way?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm not good at internet stuff. So maybe someone else can find something.

A video clip of Candidate Trump claiming that we need to build a wall to stop illegal immigrants from taking our jobs.
I'm sure I remember that claim made more than once.
Tom

That claim has been made by the GOP for decades.

 

[Toni]

From The Des Moines Regisister

A new bill introduced in the Iowa Legislature would rewrite Iowa's child labor law to allow teens to work in previously prohibited jobs so long as they are part of an approved training program.

Here are some highlights of Senate File 167.

List of prohibited jobs for teens remains​

As with the existing law, the bill outlines the jobs that 14-17-year olds can do, like bagging and carrying groceries to cars, clerical work and preparing and serving food.

The bill also maintains a list of jobs kids under 18 can't hold, such as working in slaughterhouses, meatpacking or rendering plants; mining; operating power-driven metal forming, punching or shearing machines; operating band or circular saws, guillotine shears or paper balers; or being involved in roofing operations or demolition work. It makes a few modifications, such as removing a prohibition against 14- and 15-year-olds working in freezers and meat coolers.


In-depth:Amid a massive labor shortage, Iowa businesses push for a bill to loosen child-labor laws

New section allows for exemptions​

In an entirely new section, however, the bill would allow the Iowa Workforce Development and state Department of Education heads to make exceptions to any of the prohibited jobs for teens 14-17 "participating in work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."


It says those asking for exceptions must demonstrate "the activity will be performed under adequate supervision and training;" that "the training includes adequate safety precautions;" and that "the terms and conditions of the proposed employment will not interfere with the; and health, well-being, or schooling of the minor enrolled in an approved program."

More:'What is the value of life?' Iowa bills to cap lawsuits pit Republicans against Republicans

Bill also would shield businesses from liability​

The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence. A business also would be free of civil liability if a student is hurt because of the teen's negligence on the job — or is injured traveling to or from work.

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just
"participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

What is truly wonderful about this piece of legislation is just how much it demonstrates the GOP’s commitment to protecting children.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

From The Des Moines Regisister

A new bill introduced in the Iowa Legislature would rewrite Iowa's child labor law to allow teens to work in previously prohibited jobs so long as they are part of an approved training program.

Here are some highlights of Senate File 167.

List of prohibited jobs for teens remains​

As with the existing law, the bill outlines the jobs that 14-17-year olds can do, like bagging and carrying groceries to cars, clerical work and preparing and serving food.

The bill also maintains a list of jobs kids under 18 can't hold, such as working in slaughterhouses, meatpacking or rendering plants; mining; operating power-driven metal forming, punching or shearing machines; operating band or circular saws, guillotine shears or paper balers; or being involved in roofing operations or demolition work. It makes a few modifications, such as removing a prohibition against 14- and 15-year-olds working in freezers and meat coolers.


In-depth:Amid a massive labor shortage, Iowa businesses push for a bill to loosen child-labor laws

New section allows for exemptions​

In an entirely new section, however, the bill would allow the Iowa Workforce Development and state Department of Education heads to make exceptions to any of the prohibited jobs for teens 14-17 "participating in work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."


It says those asking for exceptions must demonstrate "the activity will be performed under adequate supervision and training;" that "the training includes adequate safety precautions;" and that "the terms and conditions of the proposed employment will not interfere with the; and health, well-being, or schooling of the minor enrolled in an approved program."

More:'What is the value of life?' Iowa bills to cap lawsuits pit Republicans against Republicans

Bill also would shield businesses from liability​

The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence. A business also would be free of civil liability if a student is hurt because of the teen's negligence on the job — or is injured traveling to or from work.

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just
"participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

What is truly wonderful about this piece of legislation is just how much it demonstrates the GOP’s commitment to protecting children.

So... we could teach children to be smart in math and science and get STEM related jobs and teach others required skills for labor jobs like plumbing, electrical, housing that can lead to other viable careers.

Naw... let's just let kids work in meat packing facility... as long the meat packers promise it'll be safe.

 

[Toni]

From The Des Moines Regisister

A new bill introduced in the Iowa Legislature would rewrite Iowa's child labor law to allow teens to work in previously prohibited jobs so long as they are part of an approved training program.

Here are some highlights of Senate File 167.

List of prohibited jobs for teens remains​

As with the existing law, the bill outlines the jobs that 14-17-year olds can do, like bagging and carrying groceries to cars, clerical work and preparing and serving food.

The bill also maintains a list of jobs kids under 18 can't hold, such as working in slaughterhouses, meatpacking or rendering plants; mining; operating power-driven metal forming, punching or shearing machines; operating band or circular saws, guillotine shears or paper balers; or being involved in roofing operations or demolition work. It makes a few modifications, such as removing a prohibition against 14- and 15-year-olds working in freezers and meat coolers.


In-depth:Amid a massive labor shortage, Iowa businesses push for a bill to loosen child-labor laws

New section allows for exemptions​

In an entirely new section, however, the bill would allow the Iowa Workforce Development and state Department of Education heads to make exceptions to any of the prohibited jobs for teens 14-17 "participating in work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."


It says those asking for exceptions must demonstrate "the activity will be performed under adequate supervision and training;" that "the training includes adequate safety precautions;" and that "the terms and conditions of the proposed employment will not interfere with the; and health, well-being, or schooling of the minor enrolled in an approved program."

More:'What is the value of life?' Iowa bills to cap lawsuits pit Republicans against Republicans

Bill also would shield businesses from liability​

The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence. A business also would be free of civil liability if a student is hurt because of the teen's negligence on the job — or is injured traveling to or from work.

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just
"participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

What is truly wonderful about this piece of legislation is just how much it demonstrates the GOP’s commitment to protecting children.

So... we could teach children to be smart in math and science and get STEM related jobs and teach others required skills for labor jobs like plumbing, electrical, housing that can lead to other viable careers.

Naw... let's just let kids work in meat packing facility... as long the meat packers promise it'll be safe.

And so long as the businesses are held blameless and can pay the kids less....

 

[Oleg]

Naw... let's just let kids work in meat packing facility... as long the meat packers promise it'll be safe.

Did you actually read the bill?

 

[Bronzeage]

Let's not deceive ourselves. This is not a problem or issue for American citizens of any age.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Naw... let's just let kids work in meat packing facility... as long the meat packers promise it'll be safe.

Did you actually read the bill?

I work in a field that has a branch where people can get killed or dismembered. Where a minor oversight can mean losing your sight or a limb. In general, teens shouldn't be exposed to such risks, just so that employment shortfalls can be addressed.

 

[Oleg]

Naw... let's just let kids work in meat packing facility... as long the meat packers promise it'll be safe.

Did you actually read the bill?

I work in a field that has a branch where people can get killed or dismembered. Where a minor oversight can mean losing your sight or a limb. In general, teens shouldn't be exposed to such risks, just so that employment shortfalls can be addressed.

Under the bill, on one under 18 can work in slaughtering or rendering plants, except for office activities.

 

[RVonse]

I've seen a lot of posts so far about the obvious negative aspects of this bill but so far no other advantages remarked. So I will at least volunteer my opinion there is another side to look at.

No one will ever verbalize this but the truth is that a lot of people do not have kids today because they are extremely expensive and (unlike years past when we had a farm economy) do not provide any economic advantage to families. In today's society kids are viewed as being nothing but expensive pets. That is why most western economies are in a declining population trend. That is not sustainable either because sooner or later these declining western societies will not even have the option to import population from other poorer countries.

And with today's automation and primitive robots, was is so wrong about early apprenticeship programs training younger workforces into skilled trades in conjunction with liberal arts? The jobs offered to children would not have to be dangerous either while offering free training and skills, producing highly productive lives for kids who would otherwise be gaming in the basement.

For some younger people working (in a good job) might actually be a blessing for them.